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Posted: 1/10/2003 3:48:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/10/2003 3:54:19 PM EST by Venerated]
This happened 1 hour south of where I live. Despite a long criminal record and the fact that he aimed a shotgun at the authorities, the family of the deceased is claiming racism and the local media is playing it up. [url] http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/breaking_news/4887906.htm[/url] Posted on Mon, Jan. 06, 2003 Deputy kills man on Lac Courte Oreilles reservation SHOOTING DEATH:An armed man was shot and killed at his childhood home by a Sawyer County sheriff's deputy early Sunday. BY CHRIS HAMILTON AND STEVE KUCHERA NEWS TRIBUNE STAFF WRITERS HAYWARD - A Sawyer County sheriff's deputy shot and killed an armed man on the Lac Courte Oreilles Indian Reservation on Sunday morning. The shooting happened about 14 miles south of Hayward at 4:24 a.m. Authorities haven't released the man's name, but neighbors and other reservation residents identified him as Ronald Quaderer, 24, of 13599 West Gurno Lake Road. He was shot at his childhood home, where his sister still lives, neighbors said. "He was a good-natured person," said Vicki Potack, a neighbor who lives two houses down from where Quaderer was shot. "It shouldn't have happened to him." Neighbor Julie Snow agreed. "He was always a good kid," she said. "He wasn't a vicious or violent person by any means." The two women were beading eagle feathers for Quaderer and his young daughter in their home Monday night. "There's a lot of rumors going around about what actually happened," Snow said. According to the sheriff's office, deputies were investigating a suspicious vehicle at a house when a man armed with a shotgun appeared at the corner of the building. The man pointed the weapon at one of the deputies. Authorities ordered the man to put the weapon down, but he worked the gun's action while pointing it at the deputy. One deputy fired at the man, hitting him in the head. The man was taken first to Hayward Memorial Hospital, then transferred to St. Luke's hospital in Duluth, where he was pronounced dead at 10:52 a.m. The deputy involved is on paid administrative leave pending the investigation of the shooting, which the Washburn County Sheriff's Department will handle. The Sawyer County Sheriff's Department issued a news release on the shooting Monday afternoon. Department officials were not available for comment. Officials with Washburn County had no other details of the shooting. Although Sunday was the final time Quaderer had a brush with the law, it wasn't the first. Wisconsin Circuit Court records show that four felony charges were filed against him in Sawyer County since May 2001. On May 30, 2001, he was charged with criminal damage to property totaling more than $1,000. On June 24, he was charged with driving or operating a vehicle without the owner's consent. And on Dec. 11, he was charged with two counts of jumping bail. All four felonies were dismissed Monday. In addition, on July 19, Quaderer was charged with operating a motor vehicle while his license was suspended. He pleaded guilty on Aug. 20. The court suspended his license for four months and fined him $151, which was never paid. Sunday's shooting death was the fourth in Sawyer County since May 30, when Cody Bad Bear Wade, 26, was shot to death at a field party on the Lac Courte Oreilles Indian Reservation. In October, Robert "Bobby" G. Smith, 21, was charged with first-degree intentional homicide. Sawyer County Sheriff's Department officials said that Smith is a gang member, and Wade's death touched off several gang-related retaliations and fights. A house also was shot at, another was burned in a suspected arson and gang graffiti has been found. On Sept. 26, Melvin Sipe, 82, and his wife, Delores, 81, were murdered in their home on Hayward's outskirts. Each had been beaten and shot once in the head. A neighbor, Craig Lee Sturdevant, 16, was arrested and charged with first-degree homicide. Authorities believe theft was the motive for the murders. The murders and retaliation last year shook area residents. On Sept. 18, more than 300 Lac Courte Oreilles tribal members and residents attended a meeting where authorities declared a "state of emergency" and informed the public about a nine-point plan of action. Following the Sipes' murders, more than 100 area residents met in an emergency meeting at the Sawyer County Courthouse to discuss concerns with local law enforcement and find a way to take on what many fear are growing problems with area youth.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 3:51:39 PM EST
Tell that Sheriff to come on over to this board so he can get the recognition he deserves for eliminating a scumbag.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 3:57:45 PM EST
Originally Posted By Venerated: According to the sheriff's office, deputies were investigating a suspicious vehicle at a house when a man armed with a shotgun appeared at the corner of the building. The man pointed the weapon at one of the deputies. Authorities ordered the man to put the weapon down, but he worked the gun's action while pointing it at the deputy. One deputy fired at the man, hitting him in the head.
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Nice shot......
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 4:03:56 PM EST
FING MAD DOG KILLER COPS!!!!!!!!!! That man was SIMPLY holding that shotgun, he had not shot!!!!!! This is an outrage!!!!!!! Damn cops just can not wait to kill a man!!!!!! Must have been a lucky shot because we all know cops are untrained and can hardly handle their weapons!!!!!! In before the cop bashers. Mark up another one for the good guys! Head shot... me likeee! [:D]
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 4:19:17 PM EST
Well duh! If the officer had been more culturally sensitive, he'd have realized that racking the slide on a shotgun while pointing it at someone is merely a cultural expression. Or maybe it's part of "beading eagle feathers," I forget. cynic
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 4:37:27 PM EST
So what would you do if a English Bobby showed up outside of your house and tried to arrest you? Bottom line is that Indian Nations are just that, Nations!!!! The LOCAL US Cop had no jurisdiction and should not have been there without either a tribal policeman or a Federal LE with him. Its a terrible thing to kill some white guys dog, but kill and Indian and everyone wants to buy the shooter a beer.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 4:52:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: So what would you do if a English Bobby showed up outside of your house and tried to arrest you? Bottom line is that Indian Nations are just that, Nations!!!! The LOCAL US Cop had no jurisdiction and should not have been there without either a tribal policeman or a Federal LE with him. Its a terrible thing to kill some white guys dog, but kill and Indian and everyone wants to buy the shooter a beer.
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I hope your post was a joke, because if not, you're a complete idiot.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:08:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/10/2003 5:16:14 PM EST by PSYWAR1-0]
Originally Posted By legrue: I hope your post was a joke, because if not, you're a complete idiot.
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No I was VERY Serious about what I posted. All Federaly recognized tribes are considered Soverign Nations. Thats why they have Casinos, cheap gas, cigs and prescription drugs. State laws and taxes dont apply, only Federal. Natives have Free passage across all borders here in North America(Supreme Court upheld I might add) I Admit that in my hast I did not check to see if this particular tribe/band had Federal Recog. If they are not Federal then yes the deputy was OK to be there. But I still stand by what I said about killing White Guys dogs vs Indians until I do further research into the recognition status of this tribe. But who am I, just some Indian Idiot who you would love to shoot in the head Im sure. Dont plan on me helping you fight back all the blue hats everyone is so worried about invading the US. I will be defending my own country. [url] http://www.kstrom.net/isk/maps/wi/wisconsinbia.html [/url] Edited to add url list of all Fed Recognized Native tribes in Wisconsin. So Its a Fact that the deputy had no right to be or jursdiction in what is considerd a Forign Country.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:12:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: So what would you do if a English Bobby showed up outside of your house and tried to arrest you? Bottom line is that Indian Nations are just that, Nations!!!! The LOCAL US Cop had no jurisdiction and should not have been there without either a tribal policeman or a Federal LE with him. Its a terrible thing to kill some white guys dog, but kill and Indian and everyone wants to buy the shooter a beer.
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Gimme a break. So, simply because he was out of his jurisdiction, if that is true, he should stand there and allow himself to be shot by this really nice, upstanding fellow. You don't know what arrangement the reservation had with the local authorities. Oh, I love how people being interviewed always talk about what a nice guy so and so was, then you see all the felonies he was charged with. Yeah, he was 'a good-natured person' alright.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:18:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By legrue:
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: So what would you do if a English Bobby showed up outside of your house and tried to arrest you? Bottom line is that Indian Nations are just that, Nations!!!! The LOCAL US Cop had no jurisdiction and should not have been there without either a tribal policeman or a Federal LE with him. Its a terrible thing to kill some white guys dog, but kill and Indian and everyone wants to buy the shooter a beer.
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I hope your post was a joke, because if not, you're a complete idiot.
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It's true that tribal lands are 'sovereign' (though they're constantly getting screwed on just what that means). And unless the tribe contracts with the Sheriff's office for police services, they probably should have had a tribe constable, officer, or whatever the tribe has. And guess what, maybe there WAS one there, we just don't have enough facts to know. If the deputy was there with permission, and there was in fact a real threat from the shotgun (actually pointed at someone), then it will be an unfortunate, but justified, shooting. Interesting comparing the priors to the family's statements about his good nature.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:19:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:20:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By LARRYG: Gimme a break. So, simply because he was out of his jurisdiction, if that is true, he should stand there and allow himself to be shot by this really nice, upstanding fellow. You don't know what arrangement the reservation had with the local authorities.
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So when the US allows UN troops to come in are you going to fight them or let them come in and take your guns? Its the same thing in the native mind. Are you going to say "Gee he is just doing what his Commanders said to do, so Im not going to fight him"
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:26:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/10/2003 5:27:55 PM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:30:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/10/2003 5:33:07 PM EST by llanero]
[b]"On Sept. 18, more than 300 Lac Courte Oreilles tribal members and residents attended a meeting where authorities declared a "state of emergency" and informed the public about a nine-point plan of action. Following the Sipes' murders, more than 100 area residents met in an emergency meeting at the Sawyer County Courthouse to discuss concerns with local law enforcement and find a way to take on what many fear are growing problems with area youth."[/b] I'm taking the danger to assume, but I'd bet 10 acres of the farm that permission for the sheriff's dept. to perform law enforcement duties came about as a result of at least one of these two meetings. edited to say that this is why we keep paying property tax on that 10 acres of bottomland quicksand[:D]
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:30:27 PM EST
Psywar, I can hear the chip on your shoulder all the way in Colorado. A million responses came to my mind as I read your posts, but you are too deep into your own persecuted victimized poor-ole-indian-me world. Goodbye.
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:46:43 PM EST
I would be interested in whether anyone else besides someone in law enforcement "saw" him point a shotgun at the officer. I was expecting the long criminal history to cite a few things like murder, rape, armed robbery, assault with a deadly weapon,or some other extremely violent crimes. The worst thing cited was criminal damage to property over $1000. It has to be the truth if law enforcement said it, because cops never cover up anything, right?
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 5:50:19 PM EST
Beekeeper, The article says that the shooting took place on the Reservation. As to why I think the way I do, you only have to look at the initial posts to this thread, with "Nice Shot" ect to see why I would think the way I do. Cops kill a white guys dog and its pages and pages of JBT comments. An Indian gets killed by a Cop and its "Nice Shot"
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 7:47:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/10/2003 8:07:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: Beekeeper, The article says that the shooting took place on the Reservation. As to why I think the way I do, you only have to look at the initial posts to this thread, with "Nice Shot" ect to see why I would think the way I do. Cops kill a white guys dog and its pages and pages of JBT comments. An Indian gets killed by a Cop and its "Nice Shot"
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Damn I feel bad for that guy and his family. That dog did nothing wrong.
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 2:08:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By cynic: Well duh! If the officer had been more culturally sensitive, he'd have realized that racking the slide on a shotgun while pointing it at someone is merely a cultural expression. Or maybe it's part of "beading eagle feathers," I forget. cynic
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Was the man wagging his tail as he racked the shotgun? Had the mans guardian plead with the officer to close the gate? Oh, wrong thread.
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 2:34:22 AM EST
You guys who think killing a dog that runs on instinct because you're afraid it might bite you (and a dog bite from that dog Patton had no chance of resulting in the cop's death) is equivalent to an adult homo sapien armed with a shotgun, who ought to know better than to give a cop any reason to think he's going to shoot him? Please put down the crack pipe. It's not even in the same ballpark and you know it. Indian, Asian, White Black, Mexican....if you're holding a shotgun and the cops arrive in their cruisers with sirens and lights on, guns drawn, YOU DROP THE FUCKING SHOTGUN! If you dont, it's a sign of aggression and danger, and that you potentially want to be able to get a shot off at a cop. If you get greased by a cop in such a situation, especially if you're an adult who should know better, it was your own damn fault.
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 3:18:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: Beekeeper, The article says that the shooting took place on the Reservation. As to why I think the way I do, you only have to look at the initial posts to this thread, with "Nice Shot" ect to see why I would think the way I do. Cops kill a white guys dog and its pages and pages of JBT comments. An Indian gets killed by a Cop and its "Nice Shot"
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Assuming the facts in the article to be correct, (and My comment was on what the article said!), I hardly think there's a comparison between an unarmed dog with his family, and a man at night racking a shotgun and being warned to drop it! Besides, whether the shoot was "good" or not, has NOTHING to do with my comment that it was a "nice shot". A head shot, (assuming the cop didn't empty the mag), at night, is a "nice shot".......
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 4:03:24 AM EST
Hey, wait a second. Everyone here makes these types of comments when a bad guy is shot by cops or a homeowner or ccw holder. By your thread count you must have seen this type of response here many times so as to indicate there was nothing directed at race/ethnicity. Sadly, there are bad cops, bad gun owners and yes, bad indians. Ease up and do some self reflection, you are in left field on this one.
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 4:15:57 AM EST
[peep]
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 5:14:15 AM EST
[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=164070 [/url] Gee how come no one is saying they want to buy the kid a beer, or Nice Shot?
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 5:40:40 AM EST
There are several problems with what Psy said just from a legal or practical point of view. 1. Not all land called a 'reservation' is in fact under the sole jurisdiction of a soverign tribe (don't even get me started on 'indian country'--legal term-- for federal tax and crimial jurisdiction purposes). While what Psy said is true in certain cases and places, a reservation is not always clean and legally neat like a state, you need a very specialised indian law and real estate lawyer to find out in each case what each piece of property legally is (I'm not one, I can barely figure out if a indian casino hotel can take its loss on the gambler bus to the airport faster --which is how I know I don't really know anything about it) 2. Many local governments and even states have cross swearing or even blanket enforcement agreements with tribes. 3. The issue of tribal courts is so screwed up jurisdiction wise that you may as well plan to spend your entire legal life as a lawyer working in that field if you want to know anything. The issue of taxing of tribes and tribal businesses is also as much political as legal.
Link Posted: 1/11/2003 8:30:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=164070 [/url] Gee how come no one is saying they want to buy the kid a beer, or Nice Shot?
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