User Panel
Posted: 12/20/2005 5:50:25 PM EDT
Note domestic searches without warrant.
www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm
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And this will have no change in their behavior. Bush will still be evil.
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Remember the Klintons also illegally used the IRS against their enemies
-and- Remember all those FBI files that were left in the White House? |
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Uh-huh |
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Uh, it came from Drudge. edit for speeling |
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Doesn't matter!
Bush lied and people died! Illegal war for oil! We are occuppiers! Free Mumia! Save the whales! Free Weed! Fucking Libtards! |
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Where's that libtard Bush basher that was ranting on the other thread hiding now?
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C'mon guys do you really belive that an old retired couple was just HAPPENED to be driving around Fla and just HAPPENED to have a scanner capable of following a cell call from cell site to cell site and the frequency hop, and that scanner HAPPENED to be hooked up to a recorder and they just HAPPENED to lock onto a cell call that just HAPPENED to be Newt Gingrich and later just HAPPEND to forget to erase the tape and later just HAPPENED to give it to a guy --thinking it was blank of course-- who just HAPPENED to be a reporter and He just HAPPENED to figure out who the voice on the tape was and just HAPPENED to air said tape despite the legalities involved.
Nope --no way the Clintons were involved. No monitoring of domestic phone calls there. |
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Whoops. |
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SAVE TOOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Well, the last time I checked Bush Jr. was President so all this is supposed to change what ? (Maybe it is "Monkey see, Monkey do.") |
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Why doesn't the Bush Admin aggressively get this information out?
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Change what? The President has done NOTHING wrong. This is just one more manufactured attempt to make something out of nothing by the NYTs. |
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YOu people seem to think that because Klinton and Carter did this that what? somehow it's ok now? I dont care who did it, it's wrong. Also the law carter passed spelled out specific instances like Foreign intel ONLY, not for a Country farmers pot growing ring. And there was a specific time limit of one year. Further investigation is needed.
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Bullshit... There is no need for another phony investigation. It is plenty clear what Clinton did was far more intrusive and domestic on top of that AND legal. You might not like it but what the President did was well within his powers. |
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How would you know what he has or hasn't done ? Are you in the NSA ? |
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It wasn't "illegal" or "unconstitutional" when Carter did it. And it wasn't "illegal" or "unconstitutional" when GWBush did it. The point is that precedent matters. And GWBush is following precedent. REASONABLE searches without a warrant are completely allowed under the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution - exactly as the founding fathers intended! |
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"whatever it takes to fit your current story" or LSM "liberal selective memory" are daily things I have to point out to the liberals I argue with daily.
They have no foundation or principals. Nothing to ground them or a standard to judge by. Whatever you can get past the fence sitters or conservatives without getting call out on, goes. |
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Guys, this has NOTHING to do with liberals versus conservatives. Since we have had the technology to listen in, every president has done it... illegally. Repub and dem alike. If you think they haven't, you are either naive or you've been pretty sheltered.
I don't give a shit that Clinton listened in on phonecalls, I don't give a shit that Bush did either. What I give a shit about is that they were dumb enough to get caught. I don't wany a president that isn't willing to be a little sleazy in order to fulfill the needs of the country. However, I DO want someone who is smart enough, and surrounds himself with the right ppl, so that he doesn't get caught. |
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I submit to you that the Bush Administration wasn't caught, but rather that this NSA operation was deliberately leaked by a senior CIA bureaucrat with an axe to grind WRT the Bush White House. This is not the first time something sensetive was leaked, either. Overseas detention facilities, anyone?
This is yet another battle in the "war" between the CIA and the Bush White House, with the media playing along like the hapless idiots they are. |
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And whose cum stains were left on the blue dress after a slurpy in the Oval Office? And who had to surrender his license to practice law after he was caught perjuring himself? And who was impeached by the House of Representatives? |
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Haven't they already said that is exactly what the Bush people were monitoring? |
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Absolutely! The founders never intended for warrants to be in common usage. |
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You gotta realize that there are a buttload of people out there doing everythign they can to bring the President (whoever he may be) down. Remember the 48% who didn't vote for him. The part that gets me steaming is that it is always at the cost of letting our enemy know what were doing. The only investigation here should be "Who leaked this to the press?" Fuckhead Rockefeller acts like he's all innocent and that he had questioned this in a letter but wasn't allowed to pursue it past the IC. But low and behold the NY Times had the story so how did they get it? The Dems stink like shit on this one. It's blatantly obvious. |
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When something is leaked and it gets out that they are doing something that they weren't supposed to do, that is called "being caught" Linda Tripp "leaked info. Clinton was "Caught" |
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Clinton did, I'm not getting your point. I wasn't refuting that he did any of those things. I'm not saying he is a nice man or a grand politician. I'm argueing that it doesn't matter if a president is republican or dem, they use their power in ways they see fit and break the law at times. ALL of them. I want a president who lies well. To get through politics today, that is a requirement. Asking, "Well, what is your definition of 'is'?" is not someone that lies well. (is that what he asked? I remember it was a ridiculous word, but I'm too lazy to look it up). |
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Nominated for stupid post of the day. Linda Tripp leaked nothing… getting a BJ in the Oval Office is not a national security matter. When means of catching terrorist… especially means that have successfully stopped terrorist attacks is leaked you have endangered peoples lives and removed a tool... and broke the law. |
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I agree that getting a bj in the oval office was not a national security matter. The post was about the definition of "being caught" |
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No the post was about making a bad and fallacious comparison about unrelated things. The President was not caught doing one damn thing Congress was briefed on this and it is legal. |
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If you would like to read the whole thing yourself: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4536310.stm Here are some snippets: The New York Times said Mr Bush signed a secret presidential order following the attacks on 11 September 2001, allowing the NSA, based at Fort Meade, Maryland, to track the international telephone calls and e-mails of hundreds of people without referral to the courts. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said eavesdropping in the US without a court order and without complying with the procedures of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act was "both illegal and unconstitutional". What news have you been reading and/or listening to that is telling you it is legal? I'm curious. And yes, I chose BBC news on purpose |
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The New York Times… ACLU… and BBC. Oh please next you will quote Al Jazeera. Oh I have just been listening the former Clinton Justice Department officials that are saying it is legal. This a legal practice that has been in use for decades and simply saying it is illegal over and over will not change the facts. |
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Got link? Unlike some, I'm open to having more information, but I'm sure as hell not going to take your word for it. |
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+1....Who recently has had their panties in a wad about Valerie Plame? The whole emphasis was on the leak and not about whether it was already known or if the leak even mattered since she was just an analyst. This leak actually impacts National Security. Bomber |
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Democrats are the pawns of Satan. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people worshipping at the alter of the anti-christ these days.
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Well if you are too lazy to want to know the facts for yourself… here is some of it if you want more find it yourself it is abundant. I don’t want to be insulting but using the NYTs, ACLU, and BBC as examples of where you get your information says bad things about your ability to wade through bullshit and actually get to the truth. You need to be able to discern the difference between political attack (as this is) and actually real news… knowing the source and their biases helps. The NYTs. nor ACLU cannot be trusted on anything they print/say regarding this Administration or the War... the BBC is almost as bad. This is all really a non-issue and all the NYTs did was alert terrorist to methods used by the US to expose them... all this to sell a book. Shame on the NYTs and shame on those willing to buy in to their lying treasonous bullshit. Associate attorney general under Clinton: President had legal authority to OK taps...
'Warrantless' searches not unprecedented
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tHERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE between something we might think to be unethical or dangerous to our liberties and something that is 'legal' strictly speaking...
The NSA no doubt has complete legal authority to do what it does and the Pres had authority - legally - to say "go", especially as there is no positive law or court case that specifically denies them the said authority (and we are a nation of laws). But is it smart, ethical, wise in the long run? Who knows. If you want it all to change, then pass a constitutional amendment otherwise, it's something you don't approve of but still legal. |
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