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Posted: 10/11/2007 4:34:03 PM EST
Ok, turkey isn't in my top ten favorite list of countries... but at least they don't put up with muslim extreamists.

And as real as the genocide was... it was 100 years ago, and this move will only stir up trouble with our ally in the war on terror. looks like the democraps have sunk to even lower lows.

They can't get our troops out, so they are trying to make trouble with one of our key allys. WTF, over?


news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071011/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_us_genocide


ANKARA, Turkey - Turkey, which is a key supply route to U.S. troops in Iraq, recalled its ambassador to Washington on Thursday and warned of serious repercussions if Congress labels the killing of Armenians by Turks a century ago as genocide.

Ordered after a House committee endorsed the genocide measure, the summons of the ambassador for consultations was a further sign of the deteriorating relations between two longtime allies and the potential for new turmoil in an already troubled region.

Egeman Bagis, an aide to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, told Turkish media that Turkey — a conduit for many of the supplies shipped to American bases in both Iraq and Afghanistan — might have to "cut logistical support to the U.S."

Analysts also have speculated the resolution could make Turkey more inclined to send troops into northern Iraq to hunt Turkish Kurd rebels, a move opposed by the U.S. because it would disrupt one of the few relatively stable and peaceful Iraqi areas.

"There are steps that we will take," Turkey's prime minister told reporters, but without elaboration. It also wasn't clear if he meant his government would act immediately or wait to see what happens to the resolution in Congress.

He declined to answer questions about whether Turkey might shut down Incirlik air base in southern Turkey, a major cargo hub for U.S. and allied military forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. Turkey's Mediterranean port of Iskenderun is also used to ferry goods to American troops.

"You don't talk about such things, you just do them," Erdogan said.

The measure before Congress is just a nonbinding resolution without the force of law, but the debate has incensed Turkey's government.

The relationship between the two NATO allies, whose troops fought together in the Korean War in 1950-53, have stumbled in the past. They hit a low in 2003, when Turkey's parliament refused to allow U.S. forces use their country as a staging ground for the invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

But while the threat of repercussions against the U.S. is appealing for many Turks, the country's leaders know such a move could hurt Turkey's standing as a reliable ally of the West and its ambitions to be a mediator on the international stage.

The Turks did suspend military ties with France last year after parliament's lower house approved a bill that would have made it a crime to deny the mass killings of Armenians in Turkey amounted to genocide. But Turkey has much more to lose from cutting ties to the U.S.

The United States is one of its major business partners, with $11 billion in trade last year, and the U.S. defense industry provides much of the Turkish military's equipment.

Turkey's ambassador in Washington, Nabi Sensoy, was ordered home for discussions with the Turkish leadership about what is happening in Congress, Foreign Minister spokesman Levent Bilman said. He said Sensoy would go back after seven to 10 days.

"We are not withdrawing our ambassador. We have asked him to come to Turkey for some consultations," Bilman said. "The ambassador was given instructions to return and will come at his earliest convenience."

The Bush administration, which is lobbying strongly in hopes of persuading Congress to reject the resolution, stressed the need for good relations with Turkey.

"We look forward to his quick return and will continue to work to maintain strong U.S.-Turkish relations," said Gordon Johndroe, a spokesman for the National Security Council. "We remain opposed to House Resolution 106 because of the grave harm it could bring to the national security of the United States."

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the measure is damaging relations at a time when U.S. forces in Iraq rely heavily on Turkish permission to use their airspace for cargo flights.

About 70 percent of U.S. air cargo headed for Iraq goes through Turkey as does about one-third of the fuel used by the U.S. military there. U.S. bases also get water and other supplies carried in overland by Turkish truckers who cross into Iraq's northern Kurdish region.

In addition, C-17 cargo planes fly military supplies to U.S. soldiers in remote areas of Iraq from Incirlik, avoiding the use of Iraqi roads vulnerable to bomb attacks. U.S. officials say the arrangement helps reduce American casualties.

U.S.-Turkish ties already had been strained by Turkey's complaint the U.S. hasn't done enough to stop Turkish Kurd rebels from using bases in northern Iraq to stage attacks in southeastern Turkey, a predominantly Kurdish region where tens of thousands have died in fighting since 1984.

Turkish warplanes and helicopter gunships attacked suspected positions of Kurdish rebels on the border this week and Turkey's parliament was expected to vote next week on a proposal to allow the military to pursue a large-scale offensive in northern Iraq.

The U.S. ambassador to Turkey, Ross Wilson, was invited to the Foreign Ministry, where officials conveyed their "unease" over the resolution in Congress and asked the Bush administration do all in its power to stop passage by the full House, a Foreign Ministry official said. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make press statements.

Historians estimate up to 1.5 million Armenians were killed by Ottoman Turks around the time of World War I. Turkey denies the deaths constituted genocide, saying the killings didn't come from a coordinated campaign but rather during unrest accompanying the Ottoman Empire's collapse.

The House Foreign Affairs Committee passed the resolution Thursday despite intense lobbying by Turkish officials and the opposition from President Bush. The vote was a triumph for well-organized Armenian-American interest groups that have lobbied Congress for decades to pass a resolution.

The administration will now try to pressure Democratic leaders in Congress not to schedule a vote, but House Speaker Nancy Pelosi indicated they were committed to going forward.

"Why do it now? Because there's never a good time and all of us in the Democratic leadership have supported" it, she said.

Turkish officials said the House had no business to get involved in writing history.

"It is not possible to accept such an accusation of a crime which was never committed by the Turkish nation," Turkey's government said after the committee adopted the measure.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:40:22 PM EST
Pure special interest politics. What the Dems are best at. Murtha probably got a $50,000 campaign contrib from an Armenian, and then they were off to the races.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 6:53:02 PM EST


Traitors!

Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:25:16 AM EST
WTF, dudes. Where are all the usual suspects who run around screaming "fuck the Muslims, nuke them all into glass!"?

I mean, sure, a few of those guys are burning in hell now (at least if their religious beliefs were accurate ), but not all of them have croaked. . . .
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:39:08 AM EST
as Savage said the other day,

it would be like congress passing a bill condemning the Holocaust.

it's well established both incidents occurred.

this is pure political motivation to end the war in iraq by whatever means necessary.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:41:43 AM EST
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit... The Turks kill Kurds, the Kurds are the only ones in Iraq that love us...

By the way I'm Greek and I cant stand them...My grandfather killed alot of them during their war..So I guess I'm somewhat biased..
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:43:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit...

+1
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:44:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends; they use us for their benefit...


While I agree 100%, what would you really expect? A government is supposed to use its influence in other countries for its own people's good.

I hope we are using them for our own benefit. In fact, according to the article we are.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:46:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit...

+1


Maybe, but we are using them now, and need to keep using them. The dems are trying to stab our troops in the back, hoping for a loss in the WOT.
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 8:51:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By guns762:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit...

+1


Maybe, but we are using them now, and need to keep using them. The dems are trying to stab our troops in the back, hoping for a loss in the WOT.


Look, Turkey is not allowed into the EU for a reason....
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 9:22:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit... The Turks kill Kurds, the Kurds are the only ones in Iraq that love us...

By the way I'm Greek and I cant stand them...My grandfather killed alot of them during their war..So I guess I'm somewhat biased..


At around the same time that the Turks were deporting and murdering Armenians (eastern part of Turkey) they were also deporting and murdering Greeks (western part of Turkey). The murder and deportation of the Greek population is an apt metaphor for the extingushing of the light of Western Civilization from the "Land of Peace".


Why are the Turks in Cyprus? What would happen if China came in and decided to take half of Hawaii?

F*ck you Turkey!
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 9:32:11 AM EST

Originally Posted By DLaw:

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit... The Turks kill Kurds, the Kurds are the only ones in Iraq that love us...

By the way I'm Greek and I cant stand them...My grandfather killed alot of them during their war..So I guess I'm somewhat biased..


At around the same time that the Turks were deporting and murdering Armenians (eastern part of Turkey) they were also deporting and murdering Greeks (western part of Turkey). The murder and deportation of the Greek population is an apt metaphor for the extingushing of the light of Western Civilization from the "Land of Peace".


Why are the Turks in Cyprus? What would happen if China came in and decided to take half of Hawaii?

F*ck you Turkey!


Bad analogy. More like if China decided to take half of Taiwan. Cyprus is to Turkey what the Falklands are to Argentina; it should be Turkish territory but the greedy Greeks just HAVE to have the island (as if they haven't got enough islands already)
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 9:36:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By ben72227:

Originally Posted By DLaw:

Originally Posted By Coolio:

Originally Posted By DLaw:
The Turks are not our friends they use us for their benefit... The Turks kill Kurds, the Kurds are the only ones in Iraq that love us...

By the way I'm Greek and I cant stand them...My grandfather killed alot of them during their war..So I guess I'm somewhat biased..


At around the same time that the Turks were deporting and murdering Armenians (eastern part of Turkey) they were also deporting and murdering Greeks (western part of Turkey). The murder and deportation of the Greek population is an apt metaphor for the extingushing of the light of Western Civilization from the "Land of Peace".


Why are the Turks in Cyprus? What would happen if China came in and decided to take half of Hawaii?

F*ck you Turkey!


Bad analogy. More like if China decided to take half of Taiwan. Cyprus is to Turkey what the Falklands are to Argentina; it should be Turkish territory but the greedy Greeks just HAVE to have the island (as if they haven't got enough islands already)


Any way you look at it they're assclowns!
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 9:55:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By ben72227:

Cyprus is to Turkey what the Falklands are to Argentina; it should be Turkish territory but the greedy Greeks just HAVE to have the island (as if they haven't got enough islands already)


Didnt go to collage now did we? or History must be your weak link

Cyprus and the Country of Turkey were Greek lands for thousands of years
Link Posted: 10/12/2007 9:58:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By hellbound:
cutting off the logistics support from turkey would seal the deal for ultimate troop withdrawal and win the "hearts and minds" of US voters to the democrat party...


Only the liberal left would be won and the Dim ones already own the liberal far left.


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