[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dear World... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/25/2004 7:32:59 PM EDT
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Fuck you. Why the arrogant American typical hostility? Well I'll tell you why. I'm tired of being the bad guy. I'm tired of being blamed for everything that goes wrong. And I'm tired of being demonized for acting in my best self interest. And us being the designated "bad guy" is hardly a new thing. It goes back to before we were even America. The first US 'attrocity' was when we suppossedly showed up, kicked out or massacred all the Indians and Mexicans, took their shit and started us a country. Well just a few problems with that. First we didn't show up and start a white man / indian war. Before we got here there were all kinds of Indians (I call them Indians because I'm goddamn sick of the term "native American", If you are of Greek decent but born here you are a fucking "native American.") some were benevolent and peaceful and some were warlike and hostile. We encountered both and treated them accordingly. If the white man never came here Indians would simply have continued to massacre other Indians. Hostile tribes fucked with better armed European immigrants and LOST the fucking war. We bought the Louisiana Territory from France in 1803. Mexico gained independece from Spain in 1821 and claims former Spanish terrotory in the West. This was largly due to the fact that Spain was fighting a war with France which they lost in 1823. Border disputes erupt concerning who owns what regarding former French and Spanish terroritory and a war breaks out. Mexico LOST the fucking war and much former Spanish territory as a result. Next we hear about how the evil white man enslaved Africans and kidnapped them to America to build out country for us. Well BULLSHIT! Africa invented slavery. Had the white man never gone to Africa there would have still been slavery there just wouldn't have been slaves in America. Africans tribes enslaved each other and SOLD or TRADED slaves to Americans. We did not kidnap slaves. The slave trade was slaves, tobacco and arms. We traded weapons to the Africans for slaves (the Africans wanted our weapons for their tribal wars which had been going on as long as there were Africans), the PURCHASED African slaves were brought to America to harvest tobacco (not build the fucking country) and that tobacco went back to England where weapons were purchased from part of the proceeds to go to Africa for more slaves. So if you want to blame somebody for slavery, blame the Africans who enslaved their own countrymen and then traded them for arms so they could kill and enslave more of their own countrymen. May not be popular but the best thing that happened to those Africans was ending up here. In Africa as slaves they probably would have ended up as soup. Couldn't have been fun to be a slave in America but it was a hell of a lot better than being a slave in Africa. Also not all blcks in America were slaves, many prominent black slave traders (the ones who enslaved and sold Africans) came to America and lived well and even attended American Universities. Nobody bitches about the Civil War much because white people killed white people. Never mind the war was largely fought for black civil rights (but hardly gets the same credit as the 60s movement) and died wholesale. History and the world doesn't object to whites killing whites. They just wish people didn't know that it was the Republican Party of Lincoln that freed the slaves and fought a devastating war on behalf of blacks. World War I was whites killing whites so nobody cares. World War II was whites killing whites so mostly nobody cares, EXCEPT: We dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. Oh the horror. Never mind this would actually save Japanese lives when compared to how many would be killed in a conventional invasion. Never mind that Japan started the war with us at Pearl Harbor and with the rest of the world in 1931. Never mind Japanese attrocities in Nanking and the Bataan Death March. We dropped bombs on them to end a war we didn't start. So we are the bad guys. Well fuck you Japan. Here is what would have happened if we didn't. North and South Japan just like Korea. If we didn't have the bomb and demonstrate a willingness to use it the US invasion of southern Japan at Kyushu would have been immediately followed by a communist Russian invasion of Northern Japan at Hokkiado. ONLY THE BOMB KEPT STALIN OUT OF JAPAN. So Japan can thank us for sparing them the fate of East Germany for the last 60 fucking years. All at the bargain cost of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we even let them keep their Emporer and we even played along that he wasn't directly involved in the war or war crimes. Also France fuck you. We bailed your ass out in 1944 and you gave us Vietnam and have been fucking us ever since. And now we are the evil bad guys fighting a Imperialist war in the middle east. Well again fuck you. We didn't start the war those fuckers did. Ever since the Jews got dropped off en masse in Palestine fucking arabs have been pissed. We didn't put them there, they ended up there because the United States didn't want them either and the UN (mostly the UK) had the lease to the land. So the arabs fought a war with the Jews and LOST. Had the Jews lost it would have been a different story but they won. So don't blame US for you guys losing your fucking war. We didn't bitch to you when things went bad in Vietnam. Because the Arabs lost their fucking war they have been pissed since 1949. And because we choose to ally with whoever the fuck we DECIDE to they started a war with US as well. It's been a war fought like little bitches who do hit and run type crap. They don't even have the balls that Japan had to be upfront about it. And on 9-11 it finally came to a head when mostly Saudi nationals flew planeloads of civilians into the WTC in one of the most despicable acts in human history. It was then that Bush Jr. gave everyone fair warning. If you harbor, promote or provide for terrorism we are at war with YOU. Apparantly Iraq didn't take us seriously and continued to harbor and fund terrorists and the THREAT of them providing chemical and bio weapons to terrorists groups was too great to ignore. SO WE DEALT WITH THEM ACCORDINGLY. Did they think we were fucking kidding on 9-12 and wouldn't actually go there? The fact that there are terrorists in Iraq proves that they are a problem. Plain and simple if there weren't any terrorists in Iraq there wouldn't be any American troops there today. But we are the bad guys because we are doing exactly what we said we would do 3 years ago. And to all you other Arab countries with terrorists in YOUR country you were warned 3 fucking years ago and you may consider yourself on the list. You have had more than enough fucking time to address the problem. Oh and fuck you. |
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It is just envy. Why else are so many people emigrating to the "Great Satan"? Hopefully all the America haters in this country will go see the rest of the world after the election. See how well South Africa is run by the ANC, the lack of democracy in most of Arabia, the utter corruption of the state in Eastern Europe and Russia. |
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the only thing i have reason to question is the civil war (you speak as if slavery was the main reason) and france you spoke about france in a particularly endearing way and i don't appreciate that!!!!!!!! especially when we all know that the french are worthless ungrateful pieces of shit that still walk this earth simply because they're not worth a bullet |
Slavery was a big factor. If Lincoln had not told the south the slaves [would be] free it never would have happened. Editted for clarification. |
When Abraham Lincoln, a known opponent of slavery, was elected president in 1861, the South Carolina legislature perceived a threat. Calling a state convention, the delegates voted to remove the state of South Carolina from the union known as the United States of America. The secession of South Carolina was followed by the secession of six more states -- Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas -- and the threat of secession by four more -- Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina. These eleven states eventually formed the Confederate States of America. The much anticipated Emanicpation Proclomation came in 1863. |
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in 1863 the south was still on the winning end.................it wasn't until later when it was "decided" that the north had more manpower and manufacturing and would indeed win................................... and has anybody else thought about how we'd be today if the south would have kept marching, the first battle, all the way to the white house????????? |
damn you bikers, i swear...........................NEVER PUNCTUATE YALL........................honest, think about it, why the fuck would yall punctuate slang? just doesn't make any sense!!!!!!!! 
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Whoa, whoa, whoa whoa, WHOA! France WON a WAR?!??!? Wow. EXCELLENT POST SA! |
nooooooooooooooooooooo shit?!?!?!!?!?! i wish to learn more about this non french disaster as well..................im guessing they hired real men from some other country to fight their battles for them................... |
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Excellent SA... I have printed this out and will pin it up on my wall. One comment however (since we are off topic with all the north versus south stuff)....
Weren't the Jews there first--- I think they were "dropped off" in Palistine a few 1000 years before the Muslims. No big deal. Just wanted to throw that out there. Again, superb. Thanks! |
Well you've gotta remember. France won a lot of wars then. Course they were led by a non-French general  who used what tactics that today the French hate. "Unilateral preemptive strikes" of over 200,000 soliders sometimes Then he was exiled. Twice. And France has gone downhill since... Viva La Bonaparte! |
Interesting side note: 2004 Pulitzer Prize for fiction goes to : Edward P. Jones for his book "The known world" recounting how former slaves would then become slave owners themselves. |
I was referring to the European Jews. |
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Great post. I fucking feel the same fucking way! As for the current war on terror that supposedly started on 9-11-01? It actually started on 26 Feb 1993 when they declared war on us by bombing the WTC for the first time. Then came Khobar Towers, the Embassy bombings, and the USS Cole. Clinton didn't do shit about shinola when he was in office but that fucker gets a free pass becuase of the (D) next to his name. |
| If I recall, the issue of slavery never really came up in the Civil war until about 1863 or so and only when the north beleived they were eventually going to prevail. Prior to that the issue of slavery was just one of many states rights issues that the southern states had with the northern ones. |
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Hold on a second..I can't stand the stinky french any more than the next guy, but didn't they help us in the Revolutionary War in a big way? Do you think if the french refused to help us we would have still won? Like the old indian said... (drops voice to bass tone)... "FUCK UM!" |
Yes but lets put that in context. 1. They were giving the chance to once again fuck the British. Back then the Brits were like the US is today and France would never miss an opportunity to screw them. 2. They wanted to be "on scene" no matter how the war went because of the possibility to reclaim territory lost during the French-Indian War. Basically if WE won, they got to help fuck the Brits. If we lost then the weakened Brits would be vulnerable and the French could reclaim territory that was previously theirs. This is not to say they didn't help or even that we would have been successful without them, but the notion that they only helped us out of the good nature of their heart is exactly historical fact either. |
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"We dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan. Oh the horror. Never mind this would actually save Japanese lives when compared to how many would be killed in a conventional invasion. Never mind that Japan started the war with us at Pearl Harbor and with the rest of the world in 1931. Never mind Japanese attrocities in Nanking and the Bataan Death March. We dropped bombs on them to end a war we didn't start. So we are the bad guys. Well fuck you Japan"....S.A. If the Japs could have, they'd have done it to us. U234 had left Germany at the end of the war armed with an ME262, rockets, and URANIUM OXIDE, enroute to Japan. Waiting in Japan was a couple of 400 ft submarines outfitted with airplanes lashed to the top. Had Germany been successful in delivering their package (instead of surrending the sub) to Japan, Japan's plan was to take the URANIUM OXIDE and deliver it in a "dirty bomb" via the airplanes taking off from the subs to San Francisco. Japan's projected date to deliver the bomb to SF was August 17, 1945. The bomb wouldn't have had the bang that the A bomb deliver to Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but it would have been enough of a blast to kill scores of thousands of Americans. Thank God that we nuked them and the U234 surrendered to the US. I get real sick of the leftist types lamenting how we dropped nukes on Japan-if we hadn't, I wouldn't be here today, spreading good will towards my fellow man. My father was in a hospital getting patched up from a mortar wound he received on Okinawa, and would have been one of the first ashore in a conventional invasion of Japan. Steyr Aug, I agree with everything you say in your little essay, including your take on the Amercan Civil War, to the chagrin of my southern ARFCOM pals. |
The issue of slavery was there from the beginning. Look at the Missouri Compromise of 1850, The Dredd Scott Decision by the Supreme Court, and Bloody Kansas, and then try to tell me that the South didn't fight over slavery or that wasn't the issue. They were fighting about slavery for 10 years before the Civil War, it just didn't break out into fighting until 1861. |
You recall incorrectly. I suggestion you read the articles of secession for the various Confederate states. Protection of slavery is mentioned more than any other reason for leaving the union. I also recommend you read what was being written in the papers in 1861 in the North. Slavery was also quite openly discussed as the reason for the war. Slavery's irrelevance to the cause of the war is one of the enduring myths of the Lost Cause. Steyr, great rant. 
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I'm not so sure that Japan bombing San Fransico would have been such a bad thing.... 
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