[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dear Ford: (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/2/2010 6:04:34 AM EDT
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Fuck you for putting the spark plugs on your 4.0L SOHC engine in the wrong place. I believe an error was made in the design of the engine bay that makes it nearly fucking impossible to change the plugs. I believe a retard with a crayon shoved into his dickhole could draw up a better design for an engine bay. I spent three hours working on this last night and I'm about half-way done. Now, after three ruined plug wires, two that are still stuck on, and only three plugs installed, I will resume my attempt to perform basic goddamn maintenance on my vehicle after work today. I hope whoever came up with this design gets a fluorescent light bulb stuck up his ass and shattered Fuck You |
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Hmm...I had to change plugs on my Ranger w/ 4.0 SOHC before.
I don't remember any big issues except for the one plug was buried underneath my wiper fluid res. 
YMMV though, Speed ETA: I did it in the field after a 4-wheeling mishap hydro locked the motor  I had nothing but a flashlight and a 4" extension for my ratchet, but I got 5 out of 6 w/ NP.
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Quoted: Hmm...I had to change plugs on my Ranger w/ 4.0 SOHC before. I don't remember any big issues except for the one plug was buried underneath my wiper fluid res. YMMV though, Speed ETA: I did it in the field after a 4-wheeling mishap hydro locked the motor I had nothing but a flashlight and a 4" extension for my ratchet, but I got 5 out of 6 w/ NP.5 out of 6 are easy to get to...the 6th is hard to reach but I've got that one done. The current issue is that it seems the fucking boots have been glued on to the plugs. |
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Hmm...I had to change plugs on my Ranger w/ 4.0 SOHC before. I don't remember any big issues except for the one plug was buried underneath my wiper fluid res.
YMMV though, Speed ETA: I did it in the field after a 4-wheeling mishap hydro locked the motor I had nothing but a flashlight and a 4" extension for my ratchet, but I got 5 out of 6 w/ NP.5 out of 6 are easy to get to...the 6th is hard to reach but I've got that one done. The current issue is that it seems the fucking boots have been glued on to the plugs. Hate to tell you this but, this is not an uncommon problem with any modern automobile. High under hood temps, being the major contributor to the problem. |
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Quoted: This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: htp://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv I bet you cant wait!! photo not work. |
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This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: htp://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv I bet you cant wait!! photo not work. Fixed |
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I have always felt that automotive design engineers should be forced to spend five years as a mechanic before being allowed to design even a bracket. Actually, this should apply to any design engineer. I've worked with many over the years. Auto design geeks are the worst. Engineer who started from straight out of school: "But it works on the computer model..." Me: "Step away from the desk and your fantasy land and walk over her to reality for a minute." "See? It doesn't work..." ETA: Chevy is still the freaking worst. I hate working on Chevy POS. |
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It's an old problem. I had an '89 Ford Ranger 4 cyl. with 2 spark plugs per cylinder. A few of the plugs were damn hard to get to and one of them was flat out impossible. I gave up on it and left the original spark plug in there the whole time I owned the truck. |
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Remember when you could open the hood and see EVERYTHING?
Remember when you could open the hood and readily access EVERYTHING? Those days are long, long gone. ALL modern cars have service access that resembles a game of Jenga. What do they care? All of thier techs have every specialized tool needed to get at things. You servicing your own vehicle is no longer part of the plan. |
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Quoted: Remember when you could open the hood and see EVERYTHING? Remember when you could open the hood and readily access EVERYTHING? Those days are long, long gone. ALL modern cars have service access that resembles a game of Jenga. What do they care? All of thier techs have every specialized tool needed to get at things. You servicing your own vehicle is no longer part of the plan. All hail capitalism.  |
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Quoted: I have always felt that automotive design engineers should be forced to spend five years as a mechanic before being allowed to design even a bracket. Actually, this should apply to any design engineer. I've worked with many over the years. Auto design geeks are the worst. Engineer who started from straight out of school: "But it works on the computer model..." Me: "Step away from the desk and your fantasy land and walk over her to reality for a minute." "See? It doesn't work..." ETA: Chevy is still the freaking worst. I hate working on Chevy POS. It isn't just a team of mechanical designers. The problems are with the total package. The powertrain is set in stone, it is the body design which gets in the way. And it isn't an engineer which does that design. Everything is a compromise. Ever pull an alternator off a M35A2 2-1/2 ton truck? Lots of space there but the lower pivot bolts are a major pain because the nuts are on the outside, secured with cotter pins (it is a pivot point, limited torque needed). |
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my SVT Focus has a rear O2 sensor that barely fits between the cat and the frame... since the exhaust is on a flexpipe, if i bottom out, which is quite common in this car, the O2 sensor hits the frame and breaks... every year before inspection, i replace the stupid fucking thing to get rid of the light, and every year a month later something happens to break it...
this year i hit a pothole and blew out a tire, which bottomed out the car, and in turn broke the O2 sensor... |
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This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: <a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/th_Ford.jpg</a> I bet you cant wait!! My buddy told me about this. He had to go get something out of his uncles truck when they were working on it. Goes into the dealership and the body is off the frame so they can work on it. How many shops do you think will spend the money to get the equipment to do that work??? None. I'm done with new trucks, as soon as I can I'm going to get me a pre-emmisions Chevy dually crew cab 4x4 and say goodbye to modern technology. |
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Remember when you could open the hood and see EVERYTHING? Remember when you could open the hood and readily access EVERYTHING? Those days are long, long gone. ALL modern cars have service access that resembles a game of Jenga. What do they care? All of thier techs have every specialized tool needed to get at things. You servicing your own vehicle is no longer part of the plan. All hail capitalism.
Actually, hate to say it but it's more like "All Hail Technology" There's just way more crap in there than there once was. The modern engine compartment has become 32 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag.
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Quoted: You realize it's about 6 bolts and a couple bulkhead connectors to lift the cab from the frame nowadays, right? It's not really that big of a deal.Quoted: This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: <a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/th_Ford.jpg</a> I bet you cant wait!! My buddy told me about this. He had to go get something out of his uncles truck when they were working on it. Goes into the dealership and the body is off the frame so they can work on it. How many shops do you think will spend the money to get the equipment to do that work??? None. I'm done with new trucks, as soon as I can I'm going to get me a pre-emmisions Chevy dually crew cab 4x4 and say goodbye to modern technology. And most shops already have a 4point flex lift that will lift the cab... |
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Quoted: Quoted: You realize it's about 6 bolts and a couple bulkhead connectors to lift the cab from the frame nowadays, right? It's not really that big of a deal.Quoted: This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: <a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/th_Ford.jpg</a> I bet you cant wait!! My buddy told me about this. He had to go get something out of his uncles truck when they were working on it. Goes into the dealership and the body is off the frame so they can work on it. How many shops do you think will spend the money to get the equipment to do that work??? None. I'm done with new trucks, as soon as I can I'm going to get me a pre-emmisions Chevy dually crew cab 4x4 and say goodbye to modern technology. And most shops already have a 4point flex lift that will lift the cab... Steering column? Transmission linkage? Brakes? Air conditioning? |
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I have always felt that automotive design engineers should be forced to spend five years as a mechanic before being allowed to design even a bracket. Actually, this should apply to any design engineer. I've worked with many over the years. Auto design geeks are the worst. Engineer who started from straight out of school: "But it works on the computer model..." Me: "Step away from the desk and your fantasy land and walk over her to reality for a minute." "See? It doesn't work..." ETA: Chevy is still the freaking worst. I hate working on Chevy POS. You're working under a most likely false assumption that "maintainablity" is a design feature that is promoted on new vehicles. And that decision is NOT made by the engineers (at least the ones designing the detail parts). So direct your misguided anger elsewhere. |
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You realize it's about 6 bolts and a couple bulkhead connectors to lift the cab from the frame nowadays, right? It's not really that big of a deal.
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This will be first required step to do any future maintenance on fords: <a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/?action=view¤t=Ford.flv" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z208/crosshairs65/th_Ford.jpg</a> I bet you cant wait!! My buddy told me about this. He had to go get something out of his uncles truck when they were working on it. Goes into the dealership and the body is off the frame so they can work on it. How many shops do you think will spend the money to get the equipment to do that work??? None. I'm done with new trucks, as soon as I can I'm going to get me a pre-emmisions Chevy dually crew cab 4x4 and say goodbye to modern technology. And most shops already have a 4point flex lift that will lift the cab... Steering column? Transmission linkage? Brakes? Air conditioning? Still not a big deal, just looks dramatic in the pictures. Fella up in Winston-Salem pulled my cab, installed ARP Studs, dropped the cab back on and added fresh fluids in a day. Took me longer to drive to W-S and back twice! (Wasn't for repair it was for mods BTW) |
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Quoted: Shoulda got the F150 same problem different engine. on the newer F150's with 50K or so on them, about half of the plugs break off and have to be fished out Snap On even makes a tool for it. average to change out plugs is $200 counting the break off repairs they changed the head design to overcome the older problems of the plugs just blowing out of the motors on the 02/05 models |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Remember when you could open the hood and see EVERYTHING? Remember when you could open the hood and readily access EVERYTHING? Those days are long, long gone. ALL modern cars have service access that resembles a game of Jenga. What do they care? All of thier techs have every specialized tool needed to get at things. You servicing your own vehicle is no longer part of the plan. All hail capitalism. Actually, hate to say it but it's more like "All Hail Technology" There's just way more crap in there than there once was. The modern engine compartment has become 32 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag. I know, but there's also the argument that there is no compelling reason to make things easy to service - in fact quite the opposite. And, because making a car is so incredibly complex, expensive, inextricably tied to government regulation and influence, that the few carmakers know they are under no dire need to make things easy for you and I to service. Why would they? Look at something like computers - there's almost a defacto standard about how things work so that even across hundreds of makers, you can tinker, swap, rely on bits to work with each other and it was not because of good-will towards the customer but by the competition's ability to beat you. Imagine if cars worked that way - there's no reason they can't. Why don't they? Because fuck you that's why. Why do that when there's money to be made off of service, repair, replacement that's almost entirely proprietary? Not so in computers for the most part, but that's largely because a computer company knows it either markets a machine that fits in the way the people are used to having one made and that works with the most popular software and standards, or their competition will and it's cheaper to enter that game than car making. Apple tried to buck that trend and even they have given in to PC-standard hardware and innards. If you look at most car's inboard computers, which have been around for what? 20 years? They are able to process and store error codes and sometimes even self-correct problems - yet every company out there does what when the computer sees something wrong? "SERVICE ENGINE SOON" light comes on. No code, no idea what it is, even tho the car knows you have to either take it to be read, or buy a code reader, or figure out how to retrieve what the car already knows is wrong but won't tell you. That's the industry acting in a sort of collective collusion - why upset that by putting in a $10 panel that displays the code with a brief message what to check or replace? It's not like some new company will come along and make a swappable, customizable, easy-to-work on car and ruin the game. The industry has concocted itself to be hard to work on, because they can, because no one threatens to beat them by making an easy-to-work on car. It CAN be done, even with the technology we cram into it. I'm not arguing that capitalism is the evil here, quite the contrary....I was mostly being facetious. What bothers me is that capitalism isn't always so immediately self-correcting, contrary to what many believe it. If you cannot compete with 4 large companies who do as they please with regards to the market, then the market will march on unchanged and people need their industry. We see that kind of "unreachable alternative" in all sorts of things in the free market, and it's sometimes frustrating. |
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Remember when you could open the hood and see EVERYTHING? Remember when you could open the hood and readily access EVERYTHING? Those days are long, long gone. ALL modern cars have service access that resembles a game of Jenga. What do they care? All of thier techs have every specialized tool needed to get at things. You servicing your own vehicle is no longer part of the plan. Hell, remember opening the hood and seeing your garage floor? Remember being able to stand inside the engine compartment and work on your truck? Any jackass can rig a switch, a motor and some wires to make shit work, it takes some creativity to make your wipers run on vacuum power. |
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Fuck you for putting the spark plugs on your 4.0L SOHC engine in the wrong place. I believe an error was made in the design of the engine bay that makes it nearly fucking impossible to change the plugs. I believe a retard with a crayon shoved into his dickhole could draw up a better design for an engine bay. I spent three hours working on this last night and I'm about half-way done. Now, after three ruined plug wires, two that are still stuck on, and only three plugs installed, I will resume my attempt to perform basic goddamn maintenance on my vehicle after work today. I hope whoever came up with this design gets a fluorescent light bulb stuck up his ass and shattered Fuck You Pure amateur. You have never had to do that in a Subaru have you. Horizontally opposed boxer engines. 
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