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Posted: 7/31/2017 2:34:43 PM EST
Have it it from an active duty DPD officer; Friday an email went out, no Dallas PD officers are to carry the Sig 320 effective immediately. Officers were carrying these as authorized private purchase. RUMOR is they can discharge when dropped.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:37:48 PM EST
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In on one.

Does this make me a Glock fanboi?
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:38:12 PM EST
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Didn't the Army just pick oh idk a couple pallets up themselves?
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:38:47 PM EST
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It underscores why I am
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:39:02 PM EST
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I'm not a Sig guy, but I'll go ahead and assume that IF a gun discharged when it dropped, it was modified from factory form.  Because safety plungers and firing pin blocks are for suckers.



ETA - Looks like I was very wrong.  Shitty design.  Yuck.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:39:18 PM EST
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Didnt the FBI reject it?
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:39:50 PM EST
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Here we go.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:40:15 PM EST
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Remember when those of us who panned the choice of the P320 by the Army without any proper tests were considered Glock koolaide drinkers?

Lol, this is why the proper testing needed to happen, not just "Fire x rounds from a rest and call it good if it makes it.".
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:40:18 PM EST
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Again that is the rumor. DPD isn't making it public for now the reason
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:40:35 PM EST
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I might get on the 320 bandwagon after the first revision or two once the military figured out the warts.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:41:33 PM EST
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I member
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:42:16 PM EST
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I might get on the 320 bandwagon after the first revision or two once the military figured out the warts.
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This, wait for the ones with an external safety. Apparently the Dallas police has small hands.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:42:23 PM EST
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It underscores why I am
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In on one.

Does this make me a Glock fanboi?
It underscores why I am
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:42:28 PM EST
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Put their investigation skills to good use.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:43:22 PM EST
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oh man this thread gonna be good!
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:43:39 PM EST
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The butthurt will be yuuuuge in this thread
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:44:13 PM EST
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised  <not a glock fanboy>
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:44:51 PM EST
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yup, FBI rejected it after creating a ROP that was pretty much made for sig.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:45:15 PM EST
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Never buy the first model year  I hope sig gets it cleaned up. I'm interested in a new suppressor host. 
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:46:32 PM EST
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yup, FBI rejected it after creating a ROP that was pretty much made for sig.
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Yup I googled it after I asked the question. I just wonder if it's something inherently flawed with the 320, or another glaring example of Sig's quality control.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:47:11 PM EST
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I'm not a Sig guy, but I'll go ahead and assume that IF a gun discharged when it dropped, it was modified from factory form.  Because safety plungers and firing pin blocks are for suckers.
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Isn't that weird trigger safety thingy found on just about every striker fired trigger other than the P320 part of the drop safety?







Does the P320 actually have a mechanism built into the trigger system to prevent the rearward movement of the trigger unless its pressed by a finger, like all of the others pictured?
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:47:20 PM EST
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OST to see more
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:48:43 PM EST
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ARF firesale on ppl dropping their 320s (no pun intended) in the ee?
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:49:21 PM EST
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I want to either see the memo or speak with an FI from DPD before I believe it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:51:36 PM EST
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Remember when those of us who panned the choice of the P320 by the Army without any proper tests were considered Glock koolaide drinkers?

Lol, this is why the proper testing needed to happen, not just "Fire x rounds from a rest and call it good if it makes it.".
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This is a good point. One reason high speed guys aren't touching the 320 with a 10ft pole.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:52:02 PM EST
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I want to either see the memo or speak with an FI from DPD before I believe it.
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I didn't post this to convince you or anybody else. Take it or leave it.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:54:06 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:54:35 PM EST
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I'm not gonna put a lot of info here, but the officer who told me was in a major police supply store, buying a duty holster for his Sig P226 since he could no longer carry his 320. The staff at the major police store is aware of the issue.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:54:59 PM EST
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In !!
Sure to be epic.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:56:20 PM EST
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[b]Originally Posted By ryann
X2 tap
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:56:45 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:56:49 PM EST
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First the melting issues now this. Not surprised  <not a glock fanboy>
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The melting issue?  

You mean when MAC fired 1,000 rounds through it in like 8 minutes and the frame slightly warped? That is so far outside of what any of these guns would be used for in the military, and even if it did happen its a simple fix of throwing away the frame and buying a new one for $30.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:58:16 PM EST
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I didn't post this to convince you or anybody else. Take it or leave it.
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I want to either see the memo or speak with an FI from DPD before I believe it.
I didn't post this to convince you or anybody else. Take it or leave it.
Like I said, I need more than some random internet dude who heard it from a brothers cousins garbage man.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:58:31 PM EST
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ARF firesale on ppl dropping their 320s (no pun intended) in the ee?
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May even beat the Eotech shenanigans
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:58:45 PM EST
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Whereas an even bigger PD (Houston) has made it mandatory for all officers going through academy from current class (232) going forward.

So who's right?

I can tell you the drop thing is bullshit as I know an independent, respected tester just did the drop test with the 320 (civilian, not MHS model) and no issues were found. He had the proper SAAMI drop mats, 5K rounds of 124Gr NATO 9mm through it etc etc. 
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 2:59:41 PM EST
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Isn't that weird trigger safety thingy found on just about every striker fired trigger other than the P320 part of the drop safety?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/STEYR-PISTOL-M9-A1.png
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https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/styles/product_main/public/firearms/images/209001_01_lg_1.jpg?itok=9yoWAbdR

Does the P320 actually have a mechanism built into the trigger system to prevent the rearward movement of the trigger unless its pressed by a finger, like all of the others pictured?
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Sig's website says "tabbed trigger safety".  I can't see it in the pics.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:01:02 PM EST
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If it's from AD due to dropping?  Probably.

I've had no issues with mine, then again, i'm not nearly "high speed" enough for GD, and am unworthy of the Glock i also own.

My bet is it probably has more to do with the fact that it has no trigger safety at all.  Depending on the type of holster you use, that could present a problem, especially if you start modifying the trigger.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:03:00 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:03:17 PM EST
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It has a firing pin safety, like just about everything else on the market.  Drop tests are pretty basic.  Color me skeptical for now.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:04:15 PM EST
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lol
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:06:49 PM EST
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Odd...You'd think a police dept would want guns that could fire unexpectedly.  At least they could use that as plausible deniability defense next time they open fire on a random citizen.

Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:08:29 PM EST
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Like I said, I need more than some random internet dude who heard it from a brothers cousins garbage man.
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....and that's  exactly where I got this information. From my brothers cousins garbage man.  Nevermind the fact that I'm retired from DPD, and have known this officer since he was a rookie now on the academy staff.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:08:54 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:09:05 PM EST
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Sig-leg?  

Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:10:14 PM EST
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It has a firing pin safety, like just about everything else on the market.  Drop tests are pretty basic.  Color me skeptical for now.
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The drop part is rumor. DPD is being mum about the reason.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:10:41 PM EST
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Odd...You'd think a police dept would want guns that could fire unexpectedly.  At least they could use that as plausible deniability defense next time they open fire on a random citizen.

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Oh no you didn't!
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:13:45 PM EST
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....and that's  exactly where I got this information. From my brothers cousins garbage man.  Nevermind the fact that I'm retired from DPD, and have known this officer since he was a rookie now on the academy staff.
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Well, you and I know some people who know each other.  F'n small world, less than 7 degrees of seperation between you and any other random person on the face of the earth.  Mind boggling.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:14:38 PM EST
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I'm skeptical of the discharge when dropped "rumor." These guns have been in production for a few years now, they've been adopted by several agencies, and a lot of them are in circulation.

Surely, this has been tested for, and I've never heard of it happening elsewhere.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:14:58 PM EST
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I'm not gonna put a lot of info here, but the officer who told me was in a major police supply store, buying a duty holster for his Sig P226 since he could no longer carry his 320. The staff at the major police store is aware of the issue.
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So your source is literally "shit I heard at the gun store today."

Gotcha.
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:16:59 PM EST
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Well, you and I know some people who know each other.  F'n small world, less than 7 degrees of seperation between you and any other random person on the face of the earth.  Mind boggling.
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Look, I'm just passing it on. This is a gun board, this is an issue of interest to gun owners. I have no stock in Sig, do not own a Sig 320, and I do not give one infinitesimal fuck if you believe it or not. (Drops the Mike).
Link Posted: 7/31/2017 3:17:11 PM EST
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So your source is literally "shit I heard at the gun store today."

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You missed the post about him being a fellow officer and personal friend.  Read all the posts next time.
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