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2/20/2007 7:07:29 PM EDT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=118&topic_id=134270&mesg_id=134270

Inform yourselves.
2/20/2007 7:11:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...
2/20/2007 7:13:04 PM EDT
[#2]
"WTF? A .223 for hunting prairie dogs? Jesus Christ, that'd blow the shit out of them!"

"That's the idea!"

Hah.
2/20/2007 7:13:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Are those teenage boys who know about guns from Quake?
2/20/2007 7:15:27 PM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:
Are those teenage boys who know about guns from Quake?


I hate to say it, but I would take a Quake Railgun over an AR-15 any day.  They are badass.  
2/20/2007 7:15:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Tommorow Im going to attempt to compile a huge thread to convince DU to not support the assault weapons ban.

I know, I know, Ill probably be banned in 10 minutes but it's worth a try.
2/20/2007 7:15:54 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...


Lol......me neither, it makes my skin crawl to the point that I can't stand to even look there.
2/20/2007 7:15:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Surprisingly favorable and well-versed in hunting laws and gun types.
2/20/2007 7:16:04 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...


+1

Any of you with stronger stomachs please feel free to post quotes here.  I gave up going over there long ago.  Between the pathological lunacy and the lousy format of the site it kills what few remaining brain cells I have have left.  
2/20/2007 7:16:43 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Are those teenage boys who know about guns from Quake?


I hate to say it, but I would take a Quake Railgun over an AR-15 any day.  They are badass.  


Ooh!  Ooh!  First dibs on teh BFG-9000!
2/20/2007 7:16:52 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...


I actually didn't think the thread looked THAT bad.  I also know though that THAT particular corner of hell (The dung gun section) is populated with more than a few guys who post here who, whether left or right ARE "Gun-nuts".
2/20/2007 7:17:00 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Surprisingly favorable and well-versed in hunting laws and gun types.


There is a little gaggle of gun owning girlie men over there. They have that special section for their tea parties.
2/20/2007 7:17:27 PM EDT
[#12]
That thread was full of arfcommers.


Whoever said arfcom owns the internet was right.
2/20/2007 7:17:41 PM EDT
[#13]
I'll admit, thats my first time perusing the gun forums over at DU, and its not as bad as I thought.
2/20/2007 7:18:08 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Surprisingly favorable and well-versed in hunting laws and gun types.


I thought so, as well.

We'll see what happens in a few days.
2/20/2007 7:19:44 PM EDT
[#15]
This was posted over there as well...


benEzra  Donating Member

Feb-16-07 11:55 AM
Original message
OK, I did NOT do this...

but somebody apparently hacked the Brady Campaign Myspace page, and put up a piece there that I had posted here and on the High Road. Looks like they used the THR version (but THR didn't have anything to do with it either).

Just so everybody knows, I firmly believe that the Brady Campaign has a right to freely express their opinions on their web site and myspace page without being hacked or harassed, so whoever put that up, please take it down. Thank you...



benEzra

Mon Feb-19-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. It was this piece:

Whoever did it not only posted my essay there, but also altered the Brady Campaign logo to change "Gun" to "Car," and the part about "fighting for sensible gun laws" was changed to "sensible car laws".

I emailed Myspace when I saw it and they took my piece off fairly quickly. Last time I checked, the site appeared to have been re-hacked by an anti-gun person, with some content implying gun owners are racists.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x134243

This is the essay BenEzra is referring to...


Brady Campaign to Stop Car Violence: Election Is Mandate for Race Car Ban

The Republican-led Brady Campaign to Stop Car Violence announced today that the results of last week's election, which gave control of the Senate and House to Democrats, show that the public is demanding a ban on race cars.

"Race cars have no legitimate transportation purpose," said Republican Paul Helmke, head of the Brady Campaign. "You don't need a Ford Focus to tow a boat. It would pull the boat to smithereens." He added, "We're not trying to take anybody's cars, we just want to get deadly race cars like the Ford Focus and Honda Civic off the streets."

In an appearance with Senator Dianne Feinstein (DLC-CA), activists explained why banning race cars is so important. "Unlike conventional cars, race cars don't have to be steered, but merely pointed in the general direction of where you want to go," explained Tom Diaz of the Vehicle Policy Center (VPC). "And the rear wings on these cars enable them to slide sideways around corners."

"I'm tired of 13-year-olds running down 8-year-olds with NASCAR stockers," said a spokesperson for the Democratic Leadership Council, which has made the race-car ban its top legislative priority since the early 1990's. "We need to get these deadly race cars off the streets. They are the transportation of choice for bank robbers and drunk drivers."

"Race cars like the Honda Civic are truly vehicles of mass destruction whose only purpose is to outrun as many police cars as possible without having to refuel," added John Rosenthal, head of the Massachusetts-based Stop Car Violence. "Many of these cars are designed to go 350 mph."

Helmke also noted that if someone snapped and went on a road rage incident, driving a Civic would make them much more dangerous than if they were driving a more conventional vehicle like a Chevrolet Suburban. "This is just common sense car control. Our bill doesn't affect responsible car owners. We're not trying to take away anybody's Hummer H2; our bill specifically targets race cars like the Mazda 3."

Incoming senate Democrat Jim Webb, an opponent of the ban who recently defeated Allen Macacawitz in the Virginia senate race, objected to the proposed ban. "Banning sport compact cars is stupid, doesn't help address drunk driving, and is guaranteed to piss off car owners. Congress has bigger fish to fry, like figuring out what to do with Iraq, helping people who don't have health insurance, and stopping the flood of jobs going overseas."

Feinstein dismissed Webb's concerns as right-wing gibberish. "Everybody knows that the #1 threat to this country is people driving race cars on the highway," she said. "Al Qaida wants to buy Honda Civics with wings so they can destroy our freedom. They hate us for our freedom. Oh, wait, that was George's line."

President George W. Bush, a supporter of the Race Car Ban, said he'd sign the ban if it gets to his desk. "I don't think its a good thing in our society for people to have these cars," said the President, reading from a Teleprompter. "It's just Unammerican. They should drive pickup trucks instead. Only terrorists and illegals would want to drive Civics." He added that no civilian car needs a rear wing. "You know, wings are for flying, and, uh, cars aren't supposed to fly."

The Race Car Ban of 2006 bans all compact cars with two or more of the following racing features:

Four valves per cylinder
Aerodynamic spoiler or wing that protrudes conspicuously above the trunk lid or rear deck
Air dam
Hood scoop
Chrome exhaust tip
Levitation lights
Afterburner


The Race Car Ban would also ban the following race cars by name:

Honda Civic (all models)
Subaru Impreza WRX
Mitsubushi Lancer (all models)
Honda S2000
Volvo S40
Mazda 3 and Protoge
Toyota Corolla
Scion (all models)
Saturn Ion
Bentley Speed 8
NHRA Top Fuel dragster
Caterpillar D9
Boeing 737
Airbus A380


In order to reassure car owners, the bill's sponsors included a long list of non-race cars that are not affected by the legislation:

BMW 3-series
Cadillac CTS-V
Cadillac Escalade
Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe
Ford Edsel
Ford Model T
Ford Mustang (without wing and spoiler)
Ford F-150
Hummer (all models)
Jeep Cherokee
John Deere Tractor
Kenworth T2000
Sopwith Camel


The bill also makes it a felony to own a car manufactured after Sept. 14th, 1994, that has a fuel capacity of more than ten U.S. gallons of fuel.
2/20/2007 7:20:31 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Surprisingly favorable and well-versed in hunting laws and gun types.


I thought so, as well.

We'll see what happens in a few days.


IF and ONLY IF the responses stay the way they are, and all the pro-gun types aren't arfcommers, HR 1022 doesn't have the support of a large portion of the Dems.

Just my .02, I'm probably wrong.
2/20/2007 7:22:56 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
That thread was full of arfcommers.


Whoever said arfcom owns the internet was right.



Yeah, i've noticed that too.  I onced thought about signing up at DU, thought maybe I could "do some good" in the gun forum.  But after looking around i realized that most of the people in there are probably arfcom trolls, and the real anti's are gone because they were tired of being outgunned in their own forum.  
Stuff seems pretty well covered over there as far as guns go.
2/20/2007 7:23:13 PM EDT
[#18]
I never realized that so many arfcommers were on Duh.


96Ag
2/20/2007 7:23:49 PM EDT
[#19]


Riot guns, if you mean riot shotguns, are not different in kind than duck hunting shotguns. Winchester Model 1912s were used as riot shotguns and fowl hunting guns for years.

So, to answer your question, yes they use shotguns to hunt birds these days.


2/20/2007 7:23:51 PM EDT
[#20]

Quoted:
This was posted over there as well...


benEzra  Donating Member

Feb-16-07 11:55 AM
Original message
OK, I did NOT do this...

but somebody apparently hacked the Brady Campaign Myspace page, and put up a piece there that I had posted here and on the High Road. Looks like they used the THR version (but THR didn't have anything to do with it either).

Just so everybody knows, I firmly believe that the Brady Campaign has a right to freely express their opinions on their web site and myspace page without being hacked or harassed, so whoever put that up, please take it down. Thank you...



benEzra

Mon Feb-19-07 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. It was this piece:

Whoever did it not only posted my essay there, but also altered the Brady Campaign logo to change "Gun" to "Car," and the part about "fighting for sensible gun laws" was changed to "sensible car laws".

I emailed Myspace when I saw it and they took my piece off fairly quickly. Last time I checked, the site appeared to have been re-hacked by an anti-gun person, with some content implying gun owners are racists.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x134243

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But..but..there's a link from the Brady webpage!!!!  
2/20/2007 7:25:15 PM EDT
[#21]
Brady Campaign to Stop Car Violence: Election Is Mandate for Race Car Ban...
<SNIP>
The bill also makes it a felony to own a car manufactured after Sept. 14th, 1994, that has a fuel capacity of more than ten U.S. gallons of fuel.

THAT'S funny!
2/20/2007 7:25:28 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:


Brady Campaign to Stop Car Violence: Election Is Mandate for Race Car Ban

Kenworth T2000
Sopwith Camel


The bill also makes it a felony to own a car manufactured after Sept. 14th, 1994, that has a fuel capacity of more than ten U.S. gallons of fuel.




2/20/2007 7:25:35 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
Are those teenage boys who know about guns from Quake?


BUT YOU CAN SNIPE PEOPLE WITH A DESERT EAGLE! I SAW IT ON COUNTER-STRIKE!!!
2/20/2007 7:25:52 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...


Bunch of fairly intelligent posts regarding ARs, AKMs, hunting and 'assault weapons'. I think they were all Arfcom trolls.
2/20/2007 7:39:46 PM EDT
[#25]
I'm posting lets see how long I last.

2/20/2007 7:46:02 PM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Could someone just give us the highlights?  I hate going over 'there'...


Bunch of fairly intelligent posts regarding ARs, AKMs, hunting and 'assault weapons'. I think they were all Arfcom trolls.


Not hardly. There are alot of pro gun libs over there. Come to think of it, there's alot of them here as well, but they insist on calling themselves "conservatives".
2/20/2007 7:51:11 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
"WTF? A .223 for hunting prairie dogs? Jesus Christ, that'd blow the shit out of them!"

"That's the idea!"

Hah.



A .22-250 is MUCH nicer
2/20/2007 7:52:28 PM EDT
[#28]
That's about all I can handle...

I feel.....dirty.


Kind of sick ...


ETA:   I just threw up a little in the back of my mouth, don't make me go back their, please...
2/20/2007 7:54:02 PM EDT
[#29]
90% of all the "pro-gun" DUers are ARFCOMmers. The other 10% are simply confused.
2/20/2007 7:58:01 PM EDT
[#30]
Holy crap...it sounds almost rational in thier
Wont last for long though...
2/20/2007 7:58:06 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
90% of all the "pro-gun" DUers are ARFCOMmers. The other 10% are simply confused.


You guys keep saying that, but I don't believe it. I've met too many pro gun libs.