Posted: 1/10/2018 7:40:13 PM EDT
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On Tuesday afternoon, a handful of U.S. Representatives will convene to review an amendment that would reauthorize warrantless foreign surveillance and expand the law so that it could include American citizens. It would, in effect, legalize a surveillance practice abandoned by the NSA in 2017 in order to appease the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Sen. Rand Paul said he plans to filibuster the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) if necessary, as the House prepares to vote on a six-year extension of the program. "My worry is that they also collect information on millions of Americans, and I don't want that database to be searched without a warrant," the Kentucky Republican said. He added, "I will filibuster and do whatever to stop that."Paul said he would vote to reauthorize Section 702, however, if there are protections in place for Americans' private information |
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The bad news is that surveillance will continue whether or not the bill passes. The infrastructure exists. The government will never stop using it. https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/06/30/2345227/nsa-traffic-shaping-can-divert-us-internet-traffic-for-easier-monitoring Or just pay the private sector to do what is being done now. |
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Quoted: If the govt did change the rules, I think the govt would find a way around it. IIRC they changed the routing of packets to go overseas so then it was not protected by the Constitution https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/06/30/2345227/nsa-traffic-shaping-can-divert-us-internet-traffic-for-easier-monitoring Or just pay the private sector to do what is being done now. The authorization for surveillance expired at the end of the year. The government then decided that it could still conduct surveillance under the previous FISC order which is in effect until April. The government already obtains information from the private sector. It does so pursuant to the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act. It was passed as part of the spending bill in December 2015. |
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Quoted: The government already "changed the rules". The authorization for surveillance expired at the end of the year. The government then decided that it could still conduct surveillance under the previous FISC order which is in effect until April. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/NSA-domestic-mass-surveilance-to-continue-at-least-until-April-says-Whitehouse/5-2058812/ |
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lol https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/-ARCHIVED-THREAD--FeedMeCrow-The-Official-Thread-You-guys-did-it-/5-1858677/?page=413#i62928009 |
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White House statement from yesterday afternoon:
“The Administration urges the House to reject this amendment and preserve the useful role FISA’s Section 702 authority plays in protecting American lives.” Trump this morning: ETA: I would be remiss if I didn't point out that the "A" in "FISA" is for "Act". |
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White House statement from yesterday afternoon: "This amendment" refering to Amash's amendment. Trump this morning: ETA: I would be remiss if I didn't point out that the "A" in "FISA" is for "Act". |
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What are your thoughts on this surveillance? Quoted:
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White House statement from yesterday afternoon: "This amendment" refering to Amash's amendment. Trump this morning: ETA: I would be remiss if I didn't point out that the "A" in "FISA" is for "Act". |
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I'm not sure what I mean, because I don't fully understand the system. "NSA spying" I guess is what I'm wondering your thoughts on Quoted:
Quoted: Define "this surveillance". FISA as a whole? Section 702? |
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FISA authorities deal with foreigners, no? Quoted:
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I wish we had a President who actually understood civil liberties like Rand Paul. 
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Quoted: "NSA spying" is a bit broad - so I'll limit my comments to the 702 re-authorization that's up for a vote. I agree with what the White House's opinion was roughly 12 hours ago. I have no idea how Trump's current position relates to Trump's White House statement from yesterday - but hopefully they'll get that sorted out. |
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Yeah, unfortunately when Americans call foreigners under surveillance from foriegn intel agencies, they get their communications intercepted by said foriegn intel agencies. Quoted:
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I wish we had a President who actually understood civil liberties like Rand Paul. |
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Rand Paul, what an embarrassment. Saying he would support it if they added some BS protections. Must be that cat fight with his gay neighbor rattled things loose up there. Trump on the other hand, getting it right once again. |
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You mean they get their names unmasked in conversations they had with foreign survellience targets, which happen to be routine discussions made during a presidential transition. Quoted:
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(youtube) Chris Christie, Rand Paul spar over NSA | Fox News Republican Debate
Sounds like he wants to brawl over it. Now he's ok with it f' LOL @ Rand Paul |
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If the discussions are routine, I'm not sure why transition officials who were intercepted would be concerned about them being unmasked. After all the foriegn intel agencies that collected it have no such concerns about unmasking or the 4th amendment for that matter. Quoted:
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Trump supports the reauthorization now.
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On Tuesday afternoon, a handful of U.S. Representatives will convene to review an amendment that would reauthorize warrantless foreign surveillance and expand the law so that it could include American citizens. It would, in effect, legalize a surveillance practice abandoned by the NSA in 2017 in order to appease the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Sen. Rand Paul said he plans to filibuster the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) if necessary, as the House prepares to vote on a six-year extension of the program. "My worry is that they also collect information on millions of Americans, and I don't want that database to be searched without a warrant," the Kentucky Republican said. He added, "I will filibuster and do whatever to stop that."Paul said he would vote to reauthorize Section 702, however, if there are protections in place for Americans' private information |
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Sometimes it seems like Rand Paul is the only man in Washington DC who gives a damn about domestic spying and the Fourth Amendment. I've been a fan of his in the past, but this really makes you wonder. |
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Trump supports the reauthorization now.
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