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Posted: 8/28/2005 8:08:56 PM EDT
My son has a game he wants to play on his pc. He originally bought this to play on my computer but evidently my computer card wasn't sufficient enough. He has recently bought a new computer of his own but its not working on his. Can someone please walk me through with finding out what he has, if he can upgrade it and why its not working?

Thanks!! Patty
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:10:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:13:20 PM EDT by david_g17]
you need to determine what kind of video card he has.

helpful to know how much RAM he has as well.

eta: the cable that goes from the monitor to the computer, does it plug in vertically or horizontally? (will help determine if he has onboard video or video card)

eta again:

www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000258.htm

edited yet again: what game is he trying to play?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:13:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By david_g17:
you need to determine what kind of video card he has.

helpful to know how much RAM he has as well.

eta: the cable that goes from the monitor to the computer, does it plug in vertically or horizontally? (will help determine if he has onboard video or video card)

eta again:

www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000258.htm



Vertically. How do I tell what his sytem has? Patty
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:15:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
you need to determine what kind of video card he has.

helpful to know how much RAM he has as well.

eta: the cable that goes from the monitor to the computer, does it plug in vertically or horizontally? (will help determine if he has onboard video or video card)

eta again:

www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000258.htm



Vertically. How do I tell what his sytem has? Patty



ok, that probably means he has onboard video.

(this may be part of his problem)

right click "my computer" -> properties

it should show the processor speed and the amount of RAM in bottom right, what does it say?

also, what game is he trying to install?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:19:17 PM EDT
Who makes the comp? Some use screwy case sizes and wont fit a regular card, if it even has an AGP or PCIX slot to begin with.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:20:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:23:20 PM EDT by copenhagen]
This will get you started-Control Panel-System-Hardware-Device Manager-Sound and Video
You should be able to determine what Video Card the machine has at this point. Some of the games require the most recent version of Direct X also. Is the computer up to date??????????
The requirements for the hardware should be in the games instructions. I would check that out also.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:23:35 PM EDT
What game?
How old is the computer?
what exactly happens when trying to play the game? (might have nothing to do with hardware specs)
what OS?
What brand computer? What model number of computer?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:24:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:25:18 PM EDT by Stealth]
Probably already covered but just in case....


On the side of the box the game came in there is a couple lists:

Required and Recommend for Game Play. It might say something like "Required/Recommended Hardware". You get the idea. It will list what is required of your computer to make the game work.

If his computer does not meet the Required for Game Play attributes then he needs to upgrade or bring the game back (good luck).

If it does meet the attributes, then, well... that's something we'd all need to know as well.

Good luck!
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:27:38 PM EDT
Download Everest Home Edition (free), install it and it will give you complete specs on that computer.

OS,
Processor,
Memory,
Video card/chipset,
Ect…

Then we can tell you.

Follow the link below and click link for Everest Home Edition.

http://www.lavalys.com/
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:28:43 PM EDT
Thank you guys. The computer is a week old. Its a compaq. I'll check out the details. The game is "Star Wars Republic Commando"
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:32:20 PM EDT
from the readme on the republic commando cd (which was already in my cd drive)

---------------------------
Minimum System Requirements
---------------------------
--------
Computer
--------
Required: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer

---
CPU
---
Required: Intel Pentium 3 1.0 MHz or AMD Athlon 1000 MHz
Recommended: Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz or AMD Athlon XP 2400+

------
Memory
------
Required: 256 MB RAM
Recommended: 512 MB RAM

-------------
Graphics Card
-------------
Required: 64 MB 3D Graphics card with Hardware Vertex and Pixel
Shader (VS/PS) Capability

Recommended: 128 MB 3D Graphics card with Hardware Vertex and
Pixel Shader (VS/PS) Capability

----------
Sound Card
----------
Required: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible Audio Device

------
CD-ROM
------
Required: 8X Speed CD-ROM drive
Recommended: 16X Speed CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive

------------
Input Device
------------
Required: Keyboard and mouse

-------
DirectX
-------
Microsoft DirectX 9.0c is included on this CD. You will be
prompted to install DirectX during the installation of this
game if this or a more recent version isn't already properly
installed on your system.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:32:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:34:34 PM EDT by david_g17]

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
Thank you guys. The computer is a week old. Its a compaq. I'll check out the details. The game is "Star Wars Republic Commando"



system requirements:


Requirements/Recommendations
Operating System: Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP /Computer: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer required. CPU: Pentium III or Athlon 1.0 GHz or faster CPU required./Memory: 256MB RAM required. /Graphics Card: 64MB 3D Graphics card with Vertex Shader and Pixel Shader (VS/PS) capability required./Sound Card: 100DirectX 9.0c compatible Audio Device./ CD-ROM: 8X Speed CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive required./Input Device: Keyboard and Mouse required./DirectX: Microsoft DirectX 9.0c is included on this CD.



eta: his computer should be able to run it, so don't give up hope.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:34:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:39:24 PM EDT by sharky30]
from the troubleshooting guide on the cd

Supported Card and Video Driver List
Windows XP
Device Name Chipset Driver Name Driver Version #
ATI Radeon 8500 Radeon 8500 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9000 PRO Radeon 9000 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9200 PRO Radeon 9200 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9500 PRO Radeon 9500 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 PRO Radeon 9600 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 SE Radeon 9600 SE Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 All-in-Wonder Radeon 9600 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO Radeon 9700 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO Radeon 9800 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 All-in-Wonder Radeon 9800 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 XT Radeon 9800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 PRO Radeon X800 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 Platinum Radeon X800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X300 PCX Radeon X300 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X600 XT PCX Radeon X600 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X700 PRO PCX Radeon X700 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 PCX Radeon X800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
Intel i915 Intel i915 Win2k_xp149 6.14.0010.3943
Matrox Parhelia Parhelia-512 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
Matrox Millennium P650 Millennium P650 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
Matrox Millennium P650 Millennium P750 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
NVIDIA GeForce 3 GeForce 3 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
VisionTek Xtasy 6564 GeForce 3 Ti 200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
ASUSTeK V8420 Deluxe GeForce 4 Ti 4200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
PNY Verto Geforce4 Ti 4200 GeForce 4 Ti 4200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
ASUSTeK V9280/TD GeForce 4 Ti 4200 8X ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 GeForce 4 Ti 4600 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
MSI G4Ti4600-VT2D8X GeForce 4 Ti 4800 SE ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
Mad Dog Conquerer FX 5200 Plus GeForceFX 5200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra GeForceFX 5200 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
LeadTek WinFast A340 ULTRA TD GeForceFX 5200 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5600 Pro GeForceFX 5600 Pro ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5600 Ultra GeForceFX 5600 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5700 Ultra GeForceFX 5700 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
BFG Asylum GeForceFX 5700 Ultra GeForceFX 5700 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5800 GeForceFX 5800 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5800 Ultra GeForceFX 5800 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 GeForceFX 5900 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 Ultra GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
e-VGA e-GeForceFX 5900 Ultra GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
GainWard Ultra/1800 XP GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5950 Ultra GeForceFX 5950 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT GeForce 6800 GT ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra GeForce 6800 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA Quadro4 700 XGL Quadro4 700 XGL ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
S3 DeltaChrome S8 DeltaChrome S8 wxp2k_v151304f_proto 6.14.0010.1849


Unsupported 3D Chipsets
The following 3D chipsets are not T&L and/or VS/PS capable and do not meet the minimum specification necessary to play Star Wars Republic Commando:
• 3D Labs GLINT R3/R4
• 3dfx Voodoo 2/3/4/5
• 3dfx Voodoo Banshee
• 3dfx Voodoo Graphics (Voodoo 1)
• 3dfx Voodoo Rush
• #9 Ticket to Ride/IV
• ATI 3D Rage II
• ATI Radeon 7000 VE
• ATI Radeon 7200/7500
• ATI Rage Pro/LT Pro
• Intel i740/i810/i865
• Matrox G100/200/4xx/5xx
• Mpact 2
• NVIDIA GeForce 256
• NVIDIA GeForce 2
• NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX
• NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 200/400
• NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX
• NVIDIA RIVA 128/128 ZX
• NVIDIA RIVA TNT/TNT2
• Permedia 2/3
• PowerVR Kyro/Kyro II
• PowerVR Neon 250
• PowerVR PCX/PCX-2
• Rendition V1000/V2x00
• S3 Savage 3D/2000/Pro
• S3 ViRGE/DX/GXx/VX
• SiS 315
• SiS 6326
• Trident 3D Image 9x5
• Trident Blade3D 9880
• Trident BladeXP T64

At the time of release of this title, we were unable to support the following VS/PS Capable chipsets:
• SiS Xabre200/400/600
• XGI Volari V5 Ultra
• XGI Volari V8



edited to only show the winxp list since a week old consumer computer is likely to have xp home

edit again: that list doesn't seem to be all inclusive. I have a GeForce 6200 which I don't see listed, yet it runs RC fine with all the highest settings
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:34:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By david_g17:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
Thank you guys. The computer is a week old. Its a compaq. I'll check out the details. The game is "Star Wars Republic Commando"



system requirements:


Requirements/Recommendations
Operating System: Windows 98SE/ME/2000/XP /Computer: 100% DirectX 9.0c compatible computer required. CPU: Pentium III or Athlon 1.0 GHz or faster CPU required./Memory: 256MB RAM required. /Graphics Card: 64MB 3D Graphics card with Vertex Shader and Pixel Shader (VS/PS) capability required./Sound Card: 100DirectX 9.0c compatible Audio Device./ CD-ROM: 8X Speed CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Drive required./Input Device: Keyboard and Mouse required./DirectX: Microsoft DirectX 9.0c is included on this CD.



eta: his computer should be able to run it, so don't give up hope.



I would have thought so. Patty
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:37:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:
from the troubleshooting guide on the cd

Supported Card and Video Driver List
Windows XP
Device Name Chipset Driver Name Driver Version #
ATI Radeon 8500 Radeon 8500 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9000 PRO Radeon 9000 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9200 PRO Radeon 9200 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9500 PRO Radeon 9500 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 PRO Radeon 9600 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 SE Radeon 9600 SE Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9600 All-in-Wonder Radeon 9600 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9700 PRO Radeon 9700 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 PRO Radeon 9800 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 All-in-Wonder Radeon 9800 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon 9800 XT Radeon 9800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 PRO Radeon X800 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 Platinum Radeon X800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X300 PCX Radeon X300 Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X600 XT PCX Radeon X600 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X700 PRO PCX Radeon X700 PRO Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
ATI Radeon X800 PCX Radeon X800 XT Catalyst 5.1 6.14.0010.6505
Intel i915 Intel i915 Win2k_xp149 6.14.0010.3943
Matrox Parhelia Parhelia-512 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
Matrox Millennium P650 Millennium P650 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
Matrox Millennium P650 Millennium P750 2kxp_108_00_133 6.13.0001.1778
NVIDIA GeForce 3 GeForce 3 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
VisionTek Xtasy 6564 GeForce 3 Ti 200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
ASUSTeK V8420 Deluxe GeForce 4 Ti 4200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
PNY Verto Geforce4 Ti 4200 GeForce 4 Ti 4200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
ASUSTeK V9280/TD GeForce 4 Ti 4200 8X ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce4 Ti 4600 GeForce 4 Ti 4600 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
MSI G4Ti4600-VT2D8X GeForce 4 Ti 4800 SE ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
Mad Dog Conquerer FX 5200 Plus GeForceFX 5200 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5200 Ultra GeForceFX 5200 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
LeadTek WinFast A340 ULTRA TD GeForceFX 5200 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5600 Pro GeForceFX 5600 Pro ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5600 Ultra GeForceFX 5600 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5700 Ultra GeForceFX 5700 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
BFG Asylum GeForceFX 5700 Ultra GeForceFX 5700 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5800 GeForceFX 5800 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5800 Ultra GeForceFX 5800 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 GeForceFX 5900 ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5900 Ultra GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
e-VGA e-GeForceFX 5900 Ultra GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
GainWard Ultra/1800 XP GeForceFX 5900 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForceFX 5950 Ultra GeForceFX 5950 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT GeForce 6800 GT ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra GeForce 6800 Ultra ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
NVIDIA Quadro4 700 XGL Quadro4 700 XGL ForceWare 61.77 6.14.0010.6177
S3 DeltaChrome S8 DeltaChrome S8 wxp2k_v151304f_proto 6.14.0010.1849


Unsupported 3D Chipsets
The following 3D chipsets are not T&L and/or VS/PS capable and do not meet the minimum specification necessary to play Star Wars Republic Commando:
• 3D Labs GLINT R3/R4
• 3dfx Voodoo 2/3/4/5
• 3dfx Voodoo Banshee
• 3dfx Voodoo Graphics (Voodoo 1)
• 3dfx Voodoo Rush
• #9 Ticket to Ride/IV
• ATI 3D Rage II
• ATI Radeon 7000 VE
• ATI Radeon 7200/7500
• ATI Rage Pro/LT Pro
• Intel i740/i810/i865
• Matrox G100/200/4xx/5xx
• Mpact 2
• NVIDIA GeForce 256
• NVIDIA GeForce 2
• NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX
• NVIDIA GeForce 2 MX 200/400
• NVIDIA GeForce 4 MX
• NVIDIA RIVA 128/128 ZX
• NVIDIA RIVA TNT/TNT2
• Permedia 2/3
• PowerVR Kyro/Kyro II
• PowerVR Neon 250
• PowerVR PCX/PCX-2
• Rendition V1000/V2x00
• S3 Savage 3D/2000/Pro
• S3 ViRGE/DX/GXx/VX
• SiS 315
• SiS 6326
• Trident 3D Image 9x5
• Trident Blade3D 9880
• Trident BladeXP T64

At the time of release of this title, we were unable to support the following VS/PS Capable chipsets:
• SiS Xabre200/400/600
• XGI Volari V5 Ultra
• XGI Volari V8



edited to only show the winxp list since a week old consumer computer is likely to have xp home



Can you put this in words a slightly inebriated blond could understand? Patty
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:41:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:43:15 PM EDT by sharky30]
once the video card in his computer is determined, if it is on the list then that should be ruled out as the problem (although not being on that list doesn't necessarily mean it won't work, my card's chipset isn't on the list). That list will probably be more useful to me and other other nerds .
to see what video card it has right click the desktop, select properties. then click the settings tab, then the advanced button, then the adapter tab and it will say what card it is
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:43:17 PM EDT
I play Republic Commando on an old GeForce4 MX440se 64Mb 4x AGP.

Doesn't drop frames - but doesn't do the fancy Pixel shading.

Problem is if his system is setup to use onboard graphics it may only have 4mb shared memory. That Compaq should also have an AGP slot. Its a simple matter to pop in a decent card.

A low end bargin card would be a Nvidia 6200 - supports all the bells and whistles but not at super high frame rates...
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:00:09 PM EDT
Bump for Patty!


Has he ever updated his windows? Top of Explorer page - (tools) (windows update) (express)

I didn't have the newest direct X (or a lot of things) until I updated it.



********Stealth runs away again.... **********
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:01:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stealth:
Bump for Patty!


Has he ever updated his windows? Top of Explorer page - (tools) (windows update) (express)

I didn't have the newest direct X (or a lot of things) until I updated it.



********Stealth runs away again.... **********



Thanks Stealth, I'll try that now. Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:33:51 AM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:37:49 AM EDT
click the start button go to run. type dxdiag..... press enter, click yes if needed, then click on the display tab it will tell you what video card is installed
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:50:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
click the start button go to run. type dxdiag..... press enter, click yes if needed, then click on the display tab it will tell you what video card is installed



IntelR82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphic controller
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:43:32 AM EDT
you never said what it did other than doesn't play. could you tell us what the machine does. Can he not install, or does it drop out when he trys to launch?
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:48:12 AM EDT
patty that means that you have a onboard video card. Its really not made for playing games. the maximum memory that will have is 64mb of shared memory. gaming video cards today have a average of 256mb. So you will need to find out if the computers has any type of video expansion capabilities. ..... AGP or PCI Express

let us know if you need more help, im sure we can recomend a good video card if you are going to go that route
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:18:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
patty that means that you have a onboard video card. Its really not made for playing games. the maximum memory that will have is 64mb of shared memory. gaming video cards today have a average of 256mb. So you will need to find out if the computers has any type of video expansion capabilities. ..... AGP or PCI Express

let us know if you need more help, im sure we can recomend a good video card if you are going to go that route



Great, he buys a computer to play his games and it doesn't work! Can you let me know how to tell if its an AGP or PCI Express?

When the game is loaded to play it shuts down. Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:24:15 AM EDT
AGP:



PCI-e

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:39:34 AM EDT
Egads, tear the thing apart? Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:12:02 AM EDT
just take the side of the case off is all we need
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:15:46 AM EDT
Tearing open the case is the best way. A second option is to check the user manual ... it should say what expansion slots are supported.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:27:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
Egads, tear the thing apart? Patty



look on the front and find the model number/letters and we can do a search
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:06:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:
Egads, tear the thing apart? Patty



look on the front and find the model number/letters and we can do a search



Compaq Presario SR1503EM
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:20:34 AM EDT



3 pci no AGP slot


compaq web page link
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:29:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA/Doc/images/c00460392.jpg


3 pci no AGP slot


compaq web page link



So what's that mean? Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:31:59 AM EDT
Hmm ... I note it's PCI (not PCI-e or PCI Express). Most of the new cards are going AGP or PCI-e.

If I recall correctly, ATI makes a Radeon 9250 (256MB) PCI card that might be compatible. It should go for around $125 or so. Check out Newegg.com for more details. But double-check the card with the compatibility info on the back of the game to make sure it will work! I don't have that game so I can't tell you for sure.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:35:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 9:40:44 AM EDT by NimmerMehr]

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By cruze5:
h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA/Doc/images/c00460392.jpg


3 pci no AGP slot


compaq web page link



So what's that mean? Patty



It means not good. Can't upgarde the video part. *Technicaly yes

One course of action is to take the thing back. He might be able to find a different model, or spend his dollars on a different vendor's product.

Two course of action:

If I recall correctly, ATI makes a Radeon 9250 (256MB) PCI card that might be compatible. It should go for around $125 or so. Check out Newegg.com for more details. But double-check the card with the compatibility info on the back of the game to make sure it will work! I don't have that game so I can't tell you for sure.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:39:52 AM EDT
Oh no, its going to break his heart. Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:41:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By cruze5:
h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf-JAVA/Doc/images/c00460392.jpg


3 pci no AGP slot


compaq web page link



So what's that mean? Patty



It means not good. Can't upgarde the video part.

One course of action is to take the thing back. He might be able to find a different model, or spend his dollars on a different vendor's product.




she CAN upgrade... she is just very limited. She can't get a AGP she can only get a PCI video card.... like jthuang said PCI is available at newegg three pages worth
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:56:20 AM EDT
*cough* I fixed the orginal post earlier

ATI' radeon 9250 with a pci interface should be able to play the game (according to specs on page 1 of thread )and install in the system in question.

My idea, and I don't knwo how well this will work, would be to take system back, get cheaper system with a slower CPU* and smaller harddrive, but has an AGP slot, then get a proper video card. (system where money spent is shifted from CPU to graphics)

*System's cpu seem more than enuf for the game.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:07:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 10:08:56 AM EDT by CbtEngr1]
you can get a PCI video card, probably for about 50 bucks for a 64mb wouldn't you say guys. Should play on that. (You have to make sure the card is for PCI, not AGP..and should say so on box. I have seen these at like CompUSA, walmart even)

This sounds like a computer they had at wallyworld not long ago (but I could be wrong).
Most of the less expensive computers they sell at big chains don't have graphics cards or good ones anyway (IMHO).

Hope it works out for you patty.

Essayons
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:23:54 AM EDT
if it was me, and I wanted to be able to play games I'd build my own
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:26:39 AM EDT
Before you go out and buy a PCI video card, maake sure it will fit in the case. Some mfrs has skinny cases.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:29:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:
if it was me, and I wanted to be able to play games I'd build my own



We're a little [okay a lot] limited with funds and capabilities. He did buy it at Wally World and we were hoping it would be a good system for him for online classes and games.

Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:50:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Before you go out and buy a PCI video card, maake sure it will fit in the case. Some mfrs has skinny cases.



From what I gather, it looks like a standard ATX case. Should be no problem with a PCI vid card.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:57:54 AM EDT
well if you have to keep the computer...

I checked newegg.com and you can get a PCI interface 64mb graphics card for as little as $36 shipped to you.

I would recommend nothing less than 64mb if you intend to game with newer games. Wish I had an extra to send you..i can look around the parts box for sure though.

There has to be some computer gurus here who have upgraded from these.

Essayons
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:08:51 PM EDT
How long ago was the computer purchased? If possible, I would exchange it for another one that fits the needs a little better. It doesn't have to be expensive to play games, just a little different from the one you have now. Games are one of the most taxing applications to use a computer for. Online classes need the most basic computer. Ordering the PCI graphics card would be the easiest solution though.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 12:30:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 12:35:01 PM EDT by guardian855]
already addressed
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:41:13 PM EDT
No AGP or PCI Express slot...oh, the pain...the pain...

It's still doable though by getting a PCI-based graphics card that has enough horsepower to do the job (gaming is one of the hardest jobs for PC's today...well...gaming and Beekeeper's SQL server where he keeps track of each and every single bee in real time..and he names the bees after arfcom members...but I digress...)

PCI card recommendations:
* GeForce 5700LE - this is currently the fastest PCI card out there that I'm aware of.
* GeForce 5600 - some say it's clocked a little higher, but I couldn't locate a single PCI-based card for sale
* GeForce 5500 - also clocked slightly higher than the 5700LE and it has a 128-bit memory interface.

One could make a valid argument that this 5500 is faster than the 5700LE (lame edition) above. And they might be right. Until a side-by-side test is done, we won't know. The 5500 runs on the NV34 chip and the 5700LE on the NV36. Both score middling on most tests out there. Both will play any game from a year or two ago, but if we come to today's cutting edge games such as Battlefield 2, then only the 5700LE will "play" but at lower levels. BF2 isn't supporting the NV34(5500) video card for it at this time. In addition, the 5700LE can be overclocked a tiny bit...maybe 10-15% but it's most likely not worth it. The 5500 is reported to not be a good overclocker.

So it's going to depend on which games he's looking at and even then, he'll lower his quality settings a tad which typically isn't much of a big deal at all.

Cards I don't recommend:
* ATI 9200/9250 - won't play the latest games, let alone the games coming out this Christmas/next year.
* GeForce 5200 - this one's interesting, they added in all the DX9 capability for it, but the engine is so slow that it's painful. If somebody has this card, load up 3DMark 2005 (270MB download) and run through the tests...some of which give you a whopping one-frame-per-second. The ATI 9200/9250 above card won't even attempt the 3DMark 05 test.
* ATI 7000/9000...slower than the 9200/9250.
* ATI 9600...I don't think they made them in PCI..if they did, this would be my top choice.

I'm not making this stuff up and just browsing the internet for it, I actually run a number of these video cards on machines in the house here (with the exception of the GeForce 5500)
* 5200 - one on the Home Theater PC and another on a Linux box..they're great for that
* 9250 - on the wife's computer, she likes Need for Speed III (she also wears out the tires on our van rather quickly...hmmm...maybe there's a connection there :) )
* 5700LE - I wanted the fastest card for a "low profile" case I built
* For gaming there's the 9600XT, X800 Pro, and GeForce 6800

Last (repeat after me)
"Memory is a measure of capacity, not speed"

The graphics-processor-unit (GPU), the memory type, the bandwidth of the bus (64-bit, 128-bit, 256-bit) are the types of factors that contribute to speed. Some manufacturers market some lower end graphics cards such as the 9250 and 5200 with 128MB or even 256MB of memory. This won't hurt anything but your wallet. But this does not make these cards faster. In fact, in both of these cases the mathematics work out that neither of these cards will be able to fully render a full 128MB of information, they just don't have the horsepower. It's like trying to tow a 35' boat with a Chevy LUV pickup. Sure, it can be done, but nobody will want to ride to the lake with you as they can ride their bike faster.

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:57:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 1:58:58 PM EDT by pattymcn]
Thank you Robbie, I'll check into it. He bought the computer new for $400. I doubt he'll be able to find another computer for that price [we searched and searched] and I doubt he'll want to take it back. I'm not even sure they'd take it back if the only reason was "it won't play my games?"

I wouldn't mind buying a new card for him if it was under $50 bucks. I can probably swing that in a few weeks.

Patty

*ETA* lol about the beekeep!
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 4:29:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 5:39:17 PM EDT
Patty
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:00:02 PM EDT
What if I upgraded mine? Is my computer easier to upgrade? How do I find out? Patty
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