Posted: 5/18/2014 4:48:33 PM EDT
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Where will my money be better spent????
I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. |
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Get both.
Class gives you a foundation. Competition gives you the trigger time to develop muscle memory. That's why guys like Jeff Cooper would say that competitive shooting is the best thing a shooter can do to prepare to shoot defensively. http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/04/11/tactical-vs-competition-theres-no-controversy/ |
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Where will my money be better spent???? I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. Participating in competition doesn't necessarily teach you what you're doing wrong. Start out with quality training. It's a shortcut to success. Then use competition to hone your skills. |
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Get both. Class gives you a foundation. Competition gives you the trigger time to develop muscle memory. That's why guys like Jeff Cooper would say that competitive shooting is the best thing a shooter can do to prepare to shoot defensively. http://www.gunnuts.net/2013/04/11/tactical-vs-competition-theres-no-controversy/ Agreed. I love USPSA. It is very addicting... and despite most people that shoot it, you don't really have to be a gear queer to do really well. Take a class and practice. Dry fire is very useful. Check out BenStoeger.com. I've got a few of his books and would recommend the three most recent ones. |
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Do both. I've learned more about shooting while moving and quick shooting doing competitions, but learned more about methodology and real world applications from classes. I try to do either a class or competition once a month, and then practice with snap caps in between. I've seen a lot of improvement doing this.
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Participating in competition doesn't necessarily teach you what you're doing wrong. Start out with quality training. It's a shortcut to success. Then use competition to hone your skills. Quoted:
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Where will my money be better spent???? I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. Participating in competition doesn't necessarily teach you what you're doing wrong. Start out with quality training. It's a shortcut to success. Then use competition to hone your skills. Listen to this man.^^^^^ he knows of wence he speaks. Life will be MUCH easier if you seek out quality instruction first. |
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/
Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. |
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I feel hands down classes are better. They teach you real world info. About cover, shooting under things, over things and, etc. Most of the classes I took are with law enforcement so they help with understanding the laws and have first hand stories.
What I like about comps is it fun and relaxing. But it helps to build on the skills learned in class. I feel comps make you a better shooter but classes make you a better gun fighter. |
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Two different schools of thought.
Taking a carbine course from, say Haley or Costa is not exactly going to turn you into a USPSA Master. (Although, both of them do focus a lot on fast shooting and weapon handling.) I have taken a couple carbine courses, specifically to help me out with 3 gun matches. While it did help (I mean, how many non-military shooters even know what Urban Prone is, let alone how to do it right?) it was still a lot different from the matches, of course. Now, I'm not saying the course would be a waste, far from it! I highly recommend taking a carbine and a handgun course. And, I highly recommend getting into USPSA. Just keep in mind they are pretty different in terms of mind set and end goals. For example, would you take a Nascar course to prep for a WRC rally race? It's kind of like that. Some skills translate of course, but...it's just different skill sets. Some of the competition shooters offer training, but it's few and far. One of these years, I want to travel to Arizona for Leatham's class. And, Julie G hinted that she was thinking about it a couple years ago, and that would be even better! |
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USPSA. Learn to shoot. Then train to fight. That sums it up Learning how to shoot by competing is doing it the hard way. You do NOT have a professional instructor provided for you and you are not shooting that many rounds in a day. At a match, you spend more time bullshiting between stages by far than actual shooting. I was at a Tom Givens class yesterday and we had a packed 9+hour day of instruction where we shot 450 rounds under supervision with feedback from Tom and his AI. Learn to shoot and fight at a class first, learn how to compete later. You will be a better competitor if you can actually shoot first. |
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You also need to ask yourself what your goals are. If your goal is to be the next Grand Master in USPSA, you need a different focus than if your goal is self defense.
For self defense your priorities should be: - Safely handling the firearm and performing basic manipulations - Competence in the fundamentals of marksmanship - Application of the fundamentals of marksmanship under some level of stress - Solid understanding of the laws and jurisprudence governing the use of force in your jurisdiction - Solid understanding of criminal tactics - Solid understanding of pre-fight cues and other warning signs of impending attack - Solid understanding of the benefits of proactive reaction to early signs of a problem Etc. There are some things on that list that would apply for the guy who wants to win competitions...but there are things on that list that don't apply to him and yet are pretty goddamn important if your goal is using a firearm for self defense. |
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I'm in North Alabama... but go to the CMP pretty regularly with my dad (he has a severe case of Garanditis). |
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/ Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. I call  some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot the course,(after the buzzer) without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so 
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I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot, without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Quoted:
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/ Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot, without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Watch some of the videos of 3-gun matches. They automatically ULSC. |
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition.
The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. |
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I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot the course,(after the buzzer) without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Quoted:
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/ Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot the course,(after the buzzer) without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Ken Hackathorn does not "Make Shit Up!" If you don't know who he is, I suggest you find out. He is to Jeff Cooper what Thor is to Odin. Calling him '"some trainer' is like calling Buzz Aldrin "some pilot". |
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I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot,(after the buzzer) without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so I've seen people unload and clear before reholstering during training before. Watch enough people from enough different backgrounds on the line and you're going to collect all manner of weirdness. If Ken actually wrote that article, I wouldn't disagree with the point he's making in a broad sense. There are some things that are routine for competition that don't have application in defensive application of firearms. Those things are relatively few and, I believe, easily overcome by somebody who has his head on straight...but they exist. |
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Watch some of the videos of 3-gun matches. They automatically ULSC. Quoted:
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/ Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot, without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Watch some of the videos of 3-gun matches. They automatically ULSC. SHOOT some matches, any matches - if the RO isn't on your back at the end of the course you do nothing |
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I'd do both if funds allow it. Competition will surely help, but only if you understand the basics and can learn from your mistakes. I see the same guys screwing up on the some of the most mundane of tactics time and time again. I'm not too opinionated when it comes to that kind of thing so I usually let my buddy, a member here, do the talking. Funds is the next big problem.... I can afford to do a match once a month. Where with training I will be limited to 1 or 2 classes a year. |
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Funds is the next big problem.... I can afford to do a match once a month. Where with training I will be limited to 1 or 2 classes a year. Quoted:
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I'd do both if funds allow it. Competition will surely help, but only if you understand the basics and can learn from your mistakes. I see the same guys screwing up on the some of the most mundane of tactics time and time again. I'm not too opinionated when it comes to that kind of thing so I usually let my buddy, a member here, do the talking. Funds is the next big problem.... I can afford to do a match once a month. Where with training I will be limited to 1 or 2 classes a year. nothing wrong with that, not many people can make it out to more than two every year. |
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Quoted: I've seen people unload and clear before reholstering during training before. Watch enough people from enough different backgrounds on the line and you're going to collect all manner of weirdness. If Ken actually wrote that article, I wouldn't disagree with the point he's making in a broad sense. There are some things that are routine for competition that don't have application in defensive application of firearms. Those things are relatively few and, I believe, easily overcome by somebody who has his head on straight...but they exist. Quoted: Quoted: I call some "trainer" made that up.THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot,(after the buzzer) without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so I've seen people unload and clear before reholstering during training before. Watch enough people from enough different backgrounds on the line and you're going to collect all manner of weirdness. If Ken actually wrote that article, I wouldn't disagree with the point he's making in a broad sense. There are some things that are routine for competition that don't have application in defensive application of firearms. Those things are relatively few and, I believe, easily overcome by somebody who has his head on straight...but they exist. |
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A good trainer will save you money because you will end up spending less on stupid junk and you will utilize your ammo much more effectively from a practice perspective.
You will get better much faster with professional instruction and you won't ingrain bad habits and training scars. |
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Funds is the next big problem.... I can afford to do a match once a month. Where with training I will be limited to 1 or 2 classes a year. Quoted:
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I'd do both if funds allow it. Competition will surely help, but only if you understand the basics and can learn from your mistakes. I see the same guys screwing up on the some of the most mundane of tactics time and time again. I'm not too opinionated when it comes to that kind of thing so I usually let my buddy, a member here, do the talking. Funds is the next big problem.... I can afford to do a match once a month. Where with training I will be limited to 1 or 2 classes a year. Take a class or 2 first just to see where your at on skills, that may or nay not save a BUNCH of ammo trying to over come some problems, if you have any bad habits. Me for example, coming from a hunting background, I struggled taking the fast shots, I wanted to be 100% sure of a hit, I'm still not as fast with rifle shots as I can be, I have to "THINK" shoot fast. Pistol SG are not a problem. |
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. A good trainer can watch your performance and coach you on better technique. 80% of the basic handgun class is making sure the window lickers don't blow their foot off, but some places will require you to start at the bottom and work up. I'm not a big believer in attending multiple classes from different schools right out of the gate. Get up to an advanced level with one school and then practice using their techniques. Once you've attained some mastery, then you can seek to broaden your horizons. Competition is a good venue to practice the fundamentals and it adds an element of stress that can otherwise be lacking in a solo practice session. |
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I learned more in two hours of range time after an NRA Basic Pistol class than in five hours of IDPA. With a decent instructor to say "This is how you do X" and to then guide you on the range during live fire you will indeed learn a lot. Competition is good for a beginner to test their skills...not necessarily develop them from scratch. |
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http://soldiersystems.net/2014/05/17/gunfighter-moment-ken-hackathorn-3/ Case in point: I had a nice young man in a class recently that was very skilled. He was an active USPSA competitor and very quick and accurate. Every time his relay would finish their drills, he would quickly unload and holster his pistol ( magazine out, slide quickly to the rear and catch the ejected round in his hand). Even though I told each relay to top off their weapons and then holster prior to scoring and pasting targets…He did this every time, and was never ready to shoot when his relay was called to the line the next time. Later in the day as his relay finished and everyone else was reloading and holstering, he was still clearing and unloading his pistol. I finally walked over and asked him, “Why in the Hell do you keep unloading your sidearm when you are finished with a shooting task?” He got red in the face, and then answered ‘habit’. Well, now we can see the negatives of gun games and the many things that you will program as a reflexive response. There are a whole host of things that the well seasoned game boys do that are pure stupid in the real world. Yea, I know that most will tell you that I would not ‘do that’ if it were for real. Ray Charles could a see how bogus that statement is. Remember, you are what you practice. I note that many of the top gun game boys really think that because They are so good and fast on the trigger that in the real world they will automatically win any encounter with the bad guys…..yea, I had a dose of that mindset myself back in the day. I call some "trainer" made that up.
THAT, would be a DQ in many matches, you don't do ANYTHING but shoot, without the RO's command. If the "trainer" didn't give the ULSC - HDH commands any decent shooter would not do so Watch some of the videos of 3-gun matches. They automatically ULSC. SHOOT some matches, any matches - if the RO isn't on your back at the end of the course you do nothing BS. You will not be penalized for unloading and showing clear without the RO's saying so at a USPSA match. You can stop shooting and unload anytime you want to during a stage without being DQed. |
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A good trainer can watch your performance and coach you on better technique. 80% of the basic handgun class is making sure the window lickers don't blow their foot off, but some places will require you to start at the bottom and work up. Quoted:
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. A good trainer can watch your performance and coach you on better technique. 80% of the basic handgun class is making sure the window lickers don't blow their foot off, but some places will require you to start at the bottom and work up. That's what I'm worried about... paying for an 8 hour class where 7.5 hours are spent tending to the "special" students. |
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Where will my money be better spent???? I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. Well, your two options aren't comparable nor are they mutually exclusive. Also I want to point out that ammo and gear will cost way more than the cost of admission to either. The biggest thing about a class is that you want to find someone good to take it from. They don't have to be famous but you want them to be legit. There are lots of resources out there and you should explor them :) I would recommend a class where you will learn to draw and shoot since that is important for SD and competition and you probably don't have it down yet. |
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I have found both to be very helpful. Start with a class. Shoot the defensive guns you would actually use when you compete, even if it prevents you from being a Tier 1 Grand USPSA Wizard.htt.p://goo.gl/VzYkb4 Yes,both are very helpful. |
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That's what I'm worried about... paying for an 8 hour class where 7.5 hours are spent tending to the "special" students. Quoted:
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. A good trainer can watch your performance and coach you on better technique. 80% of the basic handgun class is making sure the window lickers don't blow their foot off, but some places will require you to start at the bottom and work up. That's what I'm worried about... paying for an 8 hour class where 7.5 hours are spent tending to the "special" students. When I trained with Tom Givens, I wanted to start at their Level II class. I'd had my CCW permit for about 10 years at that point. They had me audit the beginner's class at no charge just so I'd be on the same page. The classes after that, the round count went up significantly, but there was still a certain amount of rehashed material. |
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That's what I'm worried about... paying for an 8 hour class where 7.5 hours are spent tending to the "special" students. Quoted:
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. A good trainer can watch your performance and coach you on better technique. 80% of the basic handgun class is making sure the window lickers don't blow their foot off, but some places will require you to start at the bottom and work up. That's what I'm worried about... paying for an 8 hour class where 7.5 hours are spent tending to the "special" students. Firearms classes aren't community college 101 classes. They aren't big and if you picked a good instructor the rest of the people in the class shouldn't be too retarded. I will also point out that many a laugh and a life lesson can be had from 'special' students in a gun class provided you all go home safe 
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. You need DARC. |
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Where will my money be better spent???? I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. you will get way more out of a class for the time and money spent than attending several matches. |
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Where will my money be better spent???? I'm ready to start getting out and doing some organized shooting rather than just punching paper in the back yard. Basic training classes run $100 - however much you are willing to spend. Where matches appear to cost $10-$20. I'm very competitive so I think USPSA or IDPA would be enjoyable for me, but what about the classes? Are there any competitions using the AR platform other than 3 gun comps? Any pointers are appreciated ... I just don't want to be pissing my money away. Don't forget to factor in ammunition expenses for either one. In a typical class, you spend more time shooting & learning. You will spend 98% of the time at a match taping, picking up brass and generally standing around waiting for you 60-90 seconds of live range time. If you are lucky, one of the comp shooter/instructors will have a class for your sport-of-choice nearby. |
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I'm kinda thinking along the same lines as everyone that is saying training first and then competition. The biggest thing I'm concerned about with training is making sure I get the most bang for my buck. Example: I've never had any "training" but I've been shooting guns for 10+ years but never with any instruction so I know I will have to take a basic class but I don't want to spend the money on a basic class for someone that has never even handled a gun before. You need DARC. Not familiar with that. |