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Posted: 9/2/2004 8:14:22 AM EST
The last couple of days there have been quite a few links to threads over at DUh. I've found it rather humorous to see them melting down and spent some time on threads over there that were not linked too. I noticed some similarities between posts here and poster there. These are definately generalizations.

The media is controlled by the other side:
Both sides seem to feel that the media is controlled by the other side and the correct view doesn't get out due in part to selective reporting.

A revolution is coming:
Within the past few days I've seen two hot threads on both DU and Arf speaking of a revolution to come. DUers see it as near at hand (reelection of Bush) while Arfcommers have no accurate guage as it depends on a straw breaking the camel's back.

Belittlement of the other side:
We call them DIMocrats, they call us REPUGlicans. I kindof think we come out better on this as we're calling them stupid and they're calling us plain evil.

JFear of the JBT:
Arfcommers see the JBT as the unfortunate enforcers of unjust laws. DUers see the entire Bush Admin as comprable to the 3rd Reich (gross overgeneralization, but I think it's fitting). One would wonder if any of us truly undertsand Godwin's Law.

This election is the knife's edge for the country:
Arfcom, if Kerry wins get ready for full gun reg/confiscations & a turn towards a socialist system. DU, if Bush wins we'll continue on our downward slope to a fascist country

The people are sheeple:
Arfcomm, the people will vote for any nanny figure that will give them more handouts and make them "feel" safer/better.
DU, the people are idiots who will vote for any demagogue/charismatic leader.

We (the posters) are a bunch of chairborne warriors:
When the SHTF, neither side seems to believe we will show the courage of our convictions and stand together against the tide.


Just some intresting similarities I've picked up on.

Link Posted: 9/2/2004 8:55:09 AM EST
Well, that got down to page 3 rather quickely. I'll just bump this here to see if anybody wants to discuss it.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 8:56:31 AM EST
All good observations.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 8:58:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
Belittlement of the other side:
We call them DIMocrats, they call us REPUGlicans. I kindof think we come out better on this as we're calling them stupid and they're calling us plain evil.




Although TECHNICALLY we are not a republican or political site, per se, whereas they are explicitly a democratic site.

While most of us are conservative (in one form or another), we are not really a "camp" politically like they are.


Othewise, I totally agree.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 8:59:54 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:01:24 AM EST
I prefer the term DumoRat
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:01:27 AM EST
There are too many Brain Dead, Gutless Liberals on BOTH SITES!
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:01:58 AM EST
Neither web site likes Cyanide.

SGtar15
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:02:23 AM EST
"The Masses Are Asses!"

We vote for people that promise to give us our money back in tax cuts. They vote for people that promise to take money from evil rich people and instead take it from everyone.

It is funny to hear the Dems complain about the press however...
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:03:14 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2004 9:04:29 AM EST by motown_steve]
Biggest difference:

Arfcom - We are open to dissent on just about every subject, and no one here agrees with everyone on everything. We encourage free speech and debate.

DUh - They ban people who show any disagreement with the positions that they hold, and many many DUers openly display their rabid hatred for people who disagree with their views. One of the DUh posts that made it over here yesterday clearly stated that the poster did not want to talk to, be friends with or look at 'Repugs". Another poster at DUh openly declared that relatvies of his who were "freepers" are dead to him!
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:07:44 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:07:53 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:13:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2004 9:15:08 AM EST by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Biggest difference:

Arfcom - We are open to dissent on just about every subject, and no one here agrees with everyone on everything. We encourage free speech and debate.

DUh - They ban people who show any disagreement with the positions that they hold, and many many DUers openly display their rabid hatred for people who disagree with their views.



This is one thing that really bothers me about DUh. They seem to be considered a relevent voice by many Libs but their stifiling of dissent makes the site irrelevent. I do not believe I have ever seen Arfcom site staff censor (edit or delete) a dissenting opinion message or outright ban a member for dissent. Forum rules violations such as personal attacks (outside bearpit) are ofcourse enforced.

Granted, arfcom MEMBERS will turn against liberal comments quickly and with extreme predjudice...but that is the membership. Over at DU it is the site staff that does it, and they don't even leave up the dissenting opinion.

Granted it's not a 1st Amend issue as both are privately owned, but so publicly silencing disenting opinions on a private forum still shows a groups stripes.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:18:14 AM EST
We have a much broader appeal here. Anyone can sign on and it takes a lot of grief from them to get banned. We have debate, free discussion and arguments. We're all still here afterwards. Over at DU, as soon as they suspect you're not a dyed in the wool socialist, you're banned. They like to call themselves liberals, but they are only liberal in their minds. They are actually much less tolerant than any other site I've been on. I think Orwell's Animal Farm would be a good example of DU. They want to have everything both ways, but they want someone else to pay for it. That's the primary trait of a liberal. They want to devote time and money to solve the world's problems. But it's always somebody else's money and somebody else's time.

Some of them say they're mad enough to revolt. Some here say the same thing. Big difference: We only say it to vent our frustrations. We know the catastrophe a real revolution would bring. They say it and think lining up in the street dressed like a fairy will change the world. The only thing keeping them alive is the government they scorn. If it weren't for laws, there'd be a bounty on them.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:27:36 AM EST
Anybody have the link to the DU post that was on here yesterday, where the poster said that he had
been a tanker in the Army, in Germany, and that the service was all a lie.....

I went back abt 20+ pages, I guess I missed it somewhere
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:29:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2004 9:29:59 AM EST by u-baddog]
I cant believe no one has picked up on the biggest fear of BOTH sites

DUh's fear firearms and look to the goverment to protect them. = Pussys

AR15comers Fear the goverment will keep trying to protect them from their firearms. =
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:30:06 AM EST
I don't think many people on this site have been advocating an open revolt as of late actually.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:42:55 AM EST
Advocating, no. Couple days ago people where debating which straw would break the camels back and what we would collectivly do about it, if anything.

I thought of another similarity. Both DUh and Arfcom seem to advocate becoming expatriots. Arfcommers just do it on a smaller scale.

DUhers seem to be of the opinion that leaving for Canada if Bush wins would not be an unsound decision.

Arfcommers are of the opinion that those of use in California had best get the hell out of here and move to one of the Free States.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:52:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/2/2004 9:56:42 AM EST by ASUsax]

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
Arfcommers are of the opinion that those of use in California had best get the hell out of here and move to one of the Free States.



I actually don't necessarily think that you do(need to leave), but you can't complain about what's happening there. CA, NJ, NY, IL, etc. have largely been 'written off' at the national level by the pro-gun forces. This is probably the smart thing to do, nationally. Spend your money winning battles, not losing them.

Once the tide has been changed nationally, it will make it much easier to go back and win battles in those states. Or you change the dynamics such that you can simply win those battles at a national level.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:53:07 AM EST
Neither site likes the Patriot Act....althought it is needed.


SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:56:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Neither site likes the Patriot Act....althought it is needed.


SGatr15



COMMIE!

Why is it needed?
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 9:57:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By rn45:
We have a much broader appeal here. Anyone can sign on and it takes a lot of grief from them to get banned. We have debate, free discussion and arguments. We're all still here afterwards. Over at DU, as soon as they suspect you're not a dyed in the wool socialist, you're banned. They like to call themselves liberals, but they are only liberal in their minds. They are actually much less tolerant than any other site I've been on. I think Orwell's Animal Farm would be a good example of DU. They want to have everything both ways, but they want someone else to pay for it. That's the primary trait of a liberal. They want to devote time and money to solve the world's problems. But it's always somebody else's money and somebody else's time.

Some of them say they're mad enough to revolt. Some here say the same thing. Big difference: We only say it to vent our frustrations. We know the catastrophe a real revolution would bring. They say it and think lining up in the street dressed like a fairy will change the world. The only thing keeping them alive is the government they scorn. If it weren't for laws, there'd be a bounty on them.



I'd have to agree with pretty much everything rn45 says above.

The only thing I'd add is that both AR15 and DUh have a herd mentality in that there are a significant percentage of folks on both boards who don't appear to think for themselves and would prefer to just parrot whatever the majority thinks. But that's a reflection of society I guess.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 10:00:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By PONY_DRIVER:

Originally Posted By sgtar15:
Neither site likes the Patriot Act....althought it is needed.


SGatr15



COMMIE!

Why is it needed?




So info between all the .gov agencies can be shared more readily. Actually allows the FBI to act on info they legally received.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 2:29:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tanker06:
Anybody have the link to the DU post that was on here yesterday, where the poster said that he had
been a tanker in the Army, in Germany, and that the service was all a lie.....

I went back abt 20+ pages, I guess I missed it somewhere

Don't bother with "Him", the poster is a fraud. He claims to have a "Ranger Training ribbon."
There is no such thing. If you graduate from Ranger school, you earn a Ranger Tab.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 2:32:09 PM EST
Mauser, you missed one GLARING difference between the two (other than the major zeitgeist of Socialism vs Freedom) - just TRY to post over there with Facts or a contrary opinion. You'll be BANNED before you can hit 'refresh'.
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 3:55:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
The last couple of days there have been quite a few links to threads over at DUh. I've found it rather humorous to see them melting down and spent some time on threads over there that were not linked too. I noticed some similarities between posts here and poster there. These are definately generalizations.

The media is controlled by the other side:
Both sides seem to feel that the media is controlled by the other side and the correct view doesn't get out due in part to selective reporting.

A revolution is coming:
Within the past few days I've seen two hot threads on both DU and Arf speaking of a revolution to come. DUers see it as near at hand (reelection of Bush) while Arfcommers have no accurate guage as it depends on a straw breaking the camel's back.

Belittlement of the other side:
We call them DIMocrats, they call us REPUGlicans. I kindof think we come out better on this as we're calling them stupid and they're calling us plain evil.

JFear of the JBT:
Arfcommers see the JBT as the unfortunate enforcers of unjust laws. DUers see the entire Bush Admin as comprable to the 3rd Reich (gross overgeneralization, but I think it's fitting). One would wonder if any of us truly undertsand Godwin's Law.

This election is the knife's edge for the country:
Arfcom, if Kerry wins get ready for full gun reg/confiscations & a turn towards a socialist system. DU, if Bush wins we'll continue on our downward slope to a fascist country

The people are sheeple:
Arfcomm, the people will vote for any nanny figure that will give them more handouts and make them "feel" safer/better.
DU, the people are idiots who will vote for any demagogue/charismatic leader.

We (the posters) are a bunch of chairborne warriors:
When the SHTF, neither side seems to believe we will show the courage of our convictions and stand together against the tide.


Just some intresting similarities I've picked up on.




1) I concur as to your assessment re: the media. The fact of the matter is that the media is a terrible crude mouthpiece for the fine points that it often deals with. A more direct statement might be to say that the media often gets it wrong. This can be seen from the highest to the lowest levels. I have a friend who is a reporter. The realities of the job are such that he often published things that he KNOWS to be inaccurate. There are nearly as many reasons as their are errors, but suffice it to say, he wouldn't be employed if he did everything as [I think/he thinks/you(pl) think] it should be. IMHO, the media is on its own side. The media is a business constructed and maintained in the interest of profit, first and foremost. Any media that is not, will almost sure not be heard by the masses.

2) A revolution is coming. A revolution always comes. History repeats itself. Those who believe that worldwide conflict is extinct and that violent revolution will no longer take place is, I believe, quite mistaken. In other words, "duh."

3) This too ranks a "duh" as it is human nature to mock and deride what we cannot understand or what we reject. This helps us to psychologically reassure ourselves and perpetuates the belief our (when I say us I mean mankind or human beings or homo sapiens, whatever you prefer) position is the correct one and the other is the incorrect one. Please see sports fans if you need further instruction on the topic of name-calling.

4) This one is funny. Again, you are correct in your identification of the similarities. I think the trouble here is failure to see the big picture. The trouble is not the democrats or republicans but the Federal Government. (break out the tin foil and parachute, here's where my credibility takes an even steeper nose dive) The democrats and republicans are playing good cop/bad cop with the enforcement of the rule of law. Democrats are well known for restricting what you can and can't do by enacting laws. Republicans are well known for zealous and strict enforcement of all laws, regardless of whether they are "good" or "bad," imprudent or wise. When I came to this realization about 3 years ago, it stuck me how powerful it truly was. Does anyone else get this feeling? No? me either, I love my Unca' Sam... go America yay!

4) Um, hmmmmmm I think both of those things(!) I'm glad others are more optimistic but as I see it, this election, like many is a task of choosing the lesser among evils.

5) No surprise here either. This can be seen time and again throughout history. People are easily misled and duped. The "global community" just makes it worse since our reliance on media to tell us what's happening has become so much greater. People just aren't smart enough and don't have enough time to become properly informed (if there is such a thing) about all the things they want to, need to, or should.

6) Lastly, this too is all about human nature. Most people will just save their own ass when it comes right down to it.
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