[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Python (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 6/25/2016 10:57:34 PM EDT
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I recently acquired a 1980 Colt python Unfired Box tattered No drag line on the cylinder 2 1/2" Barrel royal blue 99% (it cannot be 100 because the box is fubar) Anyway I was asking about the value here and of some friends A good friend told me to take to local dealer who is tops on Colt Pythons I saw the guy today He didn't know I was in the firearms business and starts telling me the box is shot and it's worth more with the box in great shape. I agree with him He looks up and says "it's worth about $800.00 I laughed , I really thought he was kidding I said I was not there to sell it but that I wanted to know the value He said that was about it, he'd give me $700.00 because he had to have room to make at least a $100 I pointed to an almost 100% spot on match he had in the display case that was $3995.00 and no box. No shit he turned bright fucking red in the face, I also knew his Gunbroker screen name and pulled up the same Python he had a buy now of $4K He walked away and started talking to the other guy who came back to me and said the boss said thats the best we can do and have a good day. Gun dealers like that give FFL's a bad fucking name What the dealer was was actually criminal He was asked the value and lied to get the gun for 25% of it's value That is fraud |
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He's not your friend.
He's there to make money.. And third, a sucker is born every minute.. Fourthly, if you want those kind of deals, hang out at front of the gun shop.. Your kinda Slo if you take an u fired python into a bread and butter gun shop to ask the value. |
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Quoted: He's not your friend. He's there to make money.. And third, a sucker is born every minute.. Fourthly, if you want those kind of deals, hang out at front of the gun shop.. Your kinda Slo if you take an u fired python into a bread and butter gun shop to ask the value. The guy behind the counter is not my friend, my buddy said the guy was a python expert The forest answer above this one answers all your comments I only went to see the guy because he was supposed be a Colt Expert |
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It's almost like you've never been to a gun store before. eta I was at a show a while back. Looking at used Colt 1911's when a guy walks up with a box wrapped in a rag. Guy has a Colt Ace conversion complete in NIB condition with the box. Guy wants to sell it. I wanted so bad to offer cash but didn't want to shit on the deal. Guy got a whopping $100.00. wow. As soon as he left I immediately offered to buy it from the dealer. $500.00. lol |
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Quoted: unethical, yes. fraud, no. a local dealer was arrested in Pa last year, a guy brought in his Uncles guns (uncle passed away) The dealer was asked the value The dealer told him he would look at them over night, do the research and get back to him the next day The dealer said the guns were worth 2K He picked up the guns (25 of them) and went to a gun auction house Tuns out the guns were worth 15K The dealer intentionally undervalued the guns to steal them at the lower price Hard to prove sometimes but it is fraud |
| Since you are in the "industry" , why the hell did you even have to take it to a gun store knowing full well they will give you a low number? A visit to several websites would give you a pretty good idea of how much the Python is worth. Sounds like you are just trying to set some one up. |
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Quoted: I wasn't there to sell it, I went there because the dealer was supposed to be a colt expert, does anyone read the OP? Quoted: Quoted: It's almost like you've never been to a gun store before. I fully comprehended your OP. I also read that he offered to lowball you. He was giving you a buy price. Not an appraisal or valuation. Even the other employee said it was the best he could do. My point is that is the way of the gun dealer. See my edit above for further. |
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Quoted: Since you are in the "industry" , why the hell did you even have to take it to a gun store knowing full well they will give you a low number? A visit to several websites would give you a pretty good idea of how much the Python is worth. Sounds like you are just trying to set some one up. I already had a pretty good idea what is was worth In some guns there are other factors , the 2 1/2" Python is one of those guns certain years, certain runs The Royal Blue used? I more or less wanted a confirmation it was worth what I thought It wasn't a total loss, after seeing that one in thew display case I am now pretty sure it's worth more than I though |
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Quoted: It's almost like you've never been to a gun store before. eta I was at a show a while back. Looking at used Colt 1911's when a guy walks up with a box wrapped in a rag. Guy has a Colt Ace conversion complete in NIB condition with the box. Guy wants to sell it. I wanted so bad to offer cash but didn't want to shit on the deal. Guy got a whopping $100.00. wow. As soon as he left I immediately offered to buy it from the dealer. $500.00. lol |
| From someone that sold a Colt King Cobra for about 1k back in late 90's even without a box that Python if in great condition is worth a shit load more than he offered you. I would say at least $1500 based off what the King Cobra sales for now even in ok condition. That same King Cobra I sold with the 6" barrel goes for at least $2500 now. And bitch was an accurate shoot yet she would kick more than any 44mag I ever shot. |
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Let me see if I got the facts.
1. You are in the industry. Whatever the fuck that means. 2. You knew his gunbroker seller name and that he had an almost 100% identical gun to yours for 4 grand. Given those 2 facts above, tell me again why you needed to go find out what your new pistol was worth. |
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Let me see if I got the facts. 1. You are in the industry. Whatever the fuck that means. 2. You knew his gunbroker seller name and that he had an almost 100% identical gun to yours for 4 grand. Given those 2 facts above, tell me again why you needed to go find out what your new pistol was worth. To see how bad he'd get lowballed? It's good for a laugh. |
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I've never handled one, so yea, I am ignorant. However, honestly - were they really that well made? Or do they really handle and shoot that well? Or is it just a unicorn fart thing, due to their scarcity? They are exceptionally well made, with my wheelgun reference only being some ruger revolvers and an old smith 686. 
But they are impressive...fantastic bluing, everything locks up tight. |
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I've never handled one, so yea, I am ignorant. However, honestly - were they really that well made? Or do they really handle and shoot that well? Or is it just a unicorn fart thing, due to their scarcity? They balance well. They shoot very well. The color of the of pythons can't be matched by modern manufacturing. By God are they smooth. |
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Ah yes a local dealer was arrested in Pa last year, a guy brought in his Uncles guns (uncle passed away)
The dealer was asked the value The dealer told him he would look at them over night, do the research and get back to him the next day The dealer said the guns were worth 2K He picked up the guns (25 of them) and went to a gun auction house Tuns out the guns were worth 15K The dealer intentionally undervalued the guns to steal them at the lower price Hard to prove sometimes but it is fraud Not sure I believe this story. The dealer didn't actually but the guns for $2k, he just stated what they were worth (to him). Guy ends up selling the guns elsewhere for $15k....how is that fraud on the part of the dealer? |
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I wonder what would happen to the market if Colt would reintroduce them. From a business standpoint, you'd think Colt would at least initially sell a boatload if they made them to a high standard, even if their investment startup cost was high. On the other hand, lots of holders of vintage examples might not be so thrilled. |
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I got a nice deal on one that came into the LGS I am Pt at..the rarest of the rare..it is 1 of only 250 , SS, 8 inch Target model in. 38spc...
They go for $4000...I gave the guy 2k and bought it myself for 2800. It goes into the forever safe along with my matching P7 M13 & M8 SS and Real deal, Gun South import FN FAL.Next up is my Select fire IWI 556 Galil that I got for a steal from a retired FFL that treats,me like a son. |
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I wonder what would happen to the market if Colt would reintroduce them. From a business standpoint, you'd think Colt would at least initially sell a boatload if they made them to a high standard, even if their investment startup cost was high. On the other hand, lots of holders of vintage examples might not be so thrilled. Colt did reintroduce them several years ago. The sales rep came by a friend's shop in 2013 and told him to expect them. Like many Colt products they went nowhere because production was fucked. It came up again at this year's shot show. https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/classic-colt-cutaways-and-a-new-python-shot-show-2016/ The finish won't be as nice because of the EPA restrictions that weren't there for the original guns. |
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Colt did reintroduce them several years ago. The sales rep came by a friend's shop in 2013 and told him to expect them. Like many Colt products they went nowhere because production was fucked. It came up again at this year's shot show. https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/classic-colt-cutaways-and-a-new-python-shot-show-2016/ The finish won't be as nice because of the EPA restrictions that weren't there for the original guns. Quoted:
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I wonder what would happen to the market if Colt would reintroduce them. From a business standpoint, you'd think Colt would at least initially sell a boatload if they made them to a high standard, even if their investment startup cost was high. On the other hand, lots of holders of vintage examples might not be so thrilled. Colt did reintroduce them several years ago. The sales rep came by a friend's shop in 2013 and told him to expect them. Like many Colt products they went nowhere because production was fucked. It came up again at this year's shot show. https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/classic-colt-cutaways-and-a-new-python-shot-show-2016/ The finish won't be as nice because of the EPA restrictions that weren't there for the original guns. EPA restrictions on blued guns sounds like gun shop BS. I may be wrong though. |
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Quoted: Python's were perfect and beautiful Quoted: Quoted: I've never handled one, so yea, I am ignorant. However, honestly - were they really that well made? Or do they really handle and shoot that well? Or is it just a unicorn fart thing, due to their scarcity? Python's were perfect and beautiful  |
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Quoted: From someone that sold a Colt King Cobra for about 1k back in late 90's even without a box that Python if in great condition is worth a shit load more than he offered you. I would say at least $1500 based off what the King Cobra sales for now even in ok condition. That same King Cobra I sold with the 6" barrel goes for at least $2500 now. And bitch was an accurate shoot yet she would kick more than any 44mag I ever shot. |
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Not sure I buy that a gun is less than 100% because of the box. I would say he's closer to most gun shop owners than you are aware. A gun shop owner I knew used to run around to the widows of his buddies to buy up any stuff like Lugers they had so he could,get them for a song and flip them. |
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Quoted: I got a nice deal on one that came into the LGS I am Pt at..the rarest of the rare..it is 1 of only 250 , SS, 8 inch Target model in. 38spc... They go for $4000...I gave the guy 2k and bought it myself for 2800. It goes into the forever safe along with my matching P7 M13 & M8 SS and Real deal, Gun South import FN FAL.Next up is my Select fire IWI 556 Galil that I got for a steal from a retired FFL that treats,me like a son. |
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Not sure I buy that a gun is less than 100% because of the box. I would say he's closer to most gun shop owners than you are aware. A gun shop owner I knew used to run around to the widows of his buddies to buy up any stuff like Lugers they had so he could,get them for a song and flip them. I dont get the "box" thing either, most snake collectors would die if they seen the way i shoved my boxes in the attic. |
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I assume you were responding to my post, but I still don't see where the "fraud" occurred. Maybe there is more to the story, but I just don't see it. Quoted:
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Quoted wrong reply... It's called fraud by deception is most states. I assume you were responding to my post, but I still don't see where the "fraud" occurred. Maybe there is more to the story, but I just don't see it. I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. |
| It is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...not what the buy it now price is on GB. Personally a thousand dollars would be a good price for it because it is a two and a half inch barrel. In my eyes a four inch would be worth much more. A local GS had very nice four inch with a little honest blueing wear for just under $1700..I would have put it at 90%. Maybe a snub nose Python trips others checkbook but not mine. |
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This part pisses me off.
They could have made 2k if they just apologized and corrected the offer. started talking to the other guy who came back to me and said the boss said thats the best we can do and have a good day. Gun dealers like that give FFL's a bad fucking name |
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Exactly. This is something you have to be VERY clear about. Most gunshops do not offer appraisals. Quoted:
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He was giving you a buy price. Not an appraisal or valuation. Exactly. This is something you have to be VERY clear about. Most gunshops do not offer appraisals. And some do. The answers I am reading seem to indicate that people are not understanding that the OP went to the gunshop for an appraisal, not for an offer. Huge difference. Now, both can happen depending on the [honest] appraisal and the offer that the possible seller must understand will be lower due to the markup for profit. Local shop lowballed an old widow on a Colt MKIII .38 special for a couple hundred bucks, nice shape, 2 mags, [mags were worth that much alone. I made a sight unseen offer of $500 [didn't know it was a MKIII, just that it was an older 1911] lady accepted, when I went to pick it up I told her it was worth more then I offered sight unseen and to call me when she had it appraised. She just wanted it to go to a ''good home'' and she refused to NOT sell it for $500 as she knew she was on the way out [she died a few months later]. The she ended up giving me an entire pickup truck load [Well, S10 size pickup] of reloading stuff, tens of thousands of rounds of ammo [in 148 grain match and .38 spl LRN] and everything else gun related because no one in the family wanted it. She said of all the people [to include her deceased hubby's best 'friend''] she had asked about it's value, they had all told her it was worth just a few hundred bucks and I was the only person that was honest with her and she wanted me to have it. Still have it.  [/img]
I have bought a LOT of guns because I don't lowball and word gets around. I'm honest that it's not retail value if they try to sell on the market but it's above what a dealer will offer. |
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Did you offer to PAY for a written appraisal? Or were you wanting to pick his brain for free? Not trying to be rude.. but it is surprising how many folks think others are supposed to just hand over their knowledge. A paid appraisal that is purposely false would be fraud..
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| Gun shops can be just as bad as the buyers. Everyone wants it for almost nothing and they cannot buy unless they think that they're getting over, then will turn around and sell used for more than they paid and then bitch that people are stingy with their money. |
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Quoted: Bad FFL dealers are a dying breed. Most have self destructed by now or are operating on borrowed time. The days of the $800 Glock 17 is long gone. The Internet is keeping most of them somewhat honest. When people need money they sell guns ridiculously cheap |
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Quoted: I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted wrong reply... It's called fraud by deception is most states. I assume you were responding to my post, but I still don't see where the "fraud" occurred. Maybe there is more to the story, but I just don't see it. I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. As for fraud, if you ask an "expert" for his appraisal and he comes in really low in hopes of buying the gun thats fraud |