[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Colt Python (Page 2 of 2)
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Quoted: It is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it...not what the buy it now price is on GB. Personally a thousand dollars would be a good price for it because it is a two and a half inch barrel. In my eyes a four inch would be worth much more. A local GS had very nice four inch with a little honest blueing wear for just under $1700..I would have put it at 90%. Maybe a snub nose Python trips others checkbook but not mine. The same reason why older 410 shotguns bring more than 12 ga (Usually) they didn't make as many They made a hell of a lot less 2 1/2" Pythons than the others You find a 2 1/2" colt python for a 1K you better break out your wallet fast |
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I pretty much agree but there are a lot of small town FFLs who's trade depends on people not checking the net or just need money in a hurry.When people need money they sell guns ridiculously cheap Quoted:
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Bad FFL dealers are a dying breed. Most have self destructed by now or are operating on borrowed time. The days of the $800 Glock 17 is long gone. The Internet is keeping most of them somewhat honest. What part of PA are you in jrzy, so I know not to deal with them? |
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Quoted: It is very clear that you don't understand how gun shops make there money. He went to the offer right away, I corrected him and said , I am not selling I just want to know what it's worth. He again says It's worth about $800.00 but I can give you $700 You should have seen his face when I pointed out the same damned gun in his display case that was priced $3995.00 |
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Quoted: And some do. The answers I am reading seem to indicate that people are not understanding that the OP went to the gunshop for an appraisal, not for an offer. Huge difference. Now, both can happen depending on the [honest] appraisal and the offer that the possible seller must understand will be lower due to the markup for profit. Local shop lowballed an old widow on a Colt MKIII .38 special for a couple hundred bucks, nice shape, 2 mags, [mags were worth that much alone. I made a sight unseen offer of $500 [didn't know it was a MKIII, just that it was an older 1911] lady accepted, when I went to pick it up I told her it was worth more then I offered sight unseen and to call me when she had it appraised. She just wanted it to go to a ''good home'' and she refused to NOT sell it for $500 as she knew she was on the way out [she died a few months later]. The she ended up giving me an entire pickup truck load [Well, S10 size pickup] of reloading stuff, tens of thousands of rounds of ammo [in 148 grain match and .38 spl LRN] and everything else gun related because no one in the family wanted it. She said of all the people [to include her deceased hubby's best 'friend''] she had asked about it's value, they had all told her it was worth just a few hundred bucks and I was the only person that was honest with her and she wanted me to have it. Still have it. http://i67.tinypic.com/5kq4k6.jpg[/url] I have bought a LOT of guns because I don't lowball and word gets around. I'm honest that it's not retail value if they try to sell on the market but it's above what a dealer will offer. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: He was giving you a buy price. Not an appraisal or valuation. Exactly. This is something you have to be VERY clear about. Most gunshops do not offer appraisals. And some do. The answers I am reading seem to indicate that people are not understanding that the OP went to the gunshop for an appraisal, not for an offer. Huge difference. Now, both can happen depending on the [honest] appraisal and the offer that the possible seller must understand will be lower due to the markup for profit. Local shop lowballed an old widow on a Colt MKIII .38 special for a couple hundred bucks, nice shape, 2 mags, [mags were worth that much alone. I made a sight unseen offer of $500 [didn't know it was a MKIII, just that it was an older 1911] lady accepted, when I went to pick it up I told her it was worth more then I offered sight unseen and to call me when she had it appraised. She just wanted it to go to a ''good home'' and she refused to NOT sell it for $500 as she knew she was on the way out [she died a few months later]. The she ended up giving me an entire pickup truck load [Well, S10 size pickup] of reloading stuff, tens of thousands of rounds of ammo [in 148 grain match and .38 spl LRN] and everything else gun related because no one in the family wanted it. She said of all the people [to include her deceased hubby's best 'friend''] she had asked about it's value, they had all told her it was worth just a few hundred bucks and I was the only person that was honest with her and she wanted me to have it. Still have it. http://i67.tinypic.com/5kq4k6.jpg[/url] I have bought a LOT of guns because I don't lowball and word gets around. I'm honest that it's not retail value if they try to sell on the market but it's above what a dealer will offer. |
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I was there as he was supposed to be a colt expert, I told him I wanted to know the value not sell it. He went to the offer right away, I corrected him and said , I am not selling I just want to know what it's worth. He again says It's worth about $800.00 but I can give you $700 You should have seen his face when I pointed out the same damned gun in his display case that was priced $3995.00 Quoted:
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It is very clear that you don't understand how gun shops make there money. He again says It's worth about $800.00 but I can give you $700 You should have seen his face when I pointed out the same damned gun in his display case that was priced $3995.00 So, gun shops make money not by moving goods at a reasonable price, but by screwing customers so they never come back and tell their friends what utter shitbags they are? |
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Quoted: Did you offer to PAY for a written appraisal? Or were you wanting to pick his brain for free? Not trying to be rude.. but it is surprising how many folks think others are supposed to just hand over their knowledge. A paid appraisal that is purposely false would be fraud.. I'm assuming his free verbal appraisals are the ones he thinks he's safe to get away with basically stealing guns at low ball prices. If someone calls him on it or calls the police he can always say he made an offer not an appraisal |
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Bad FFL dealers are a dying breed. Most have self destructed by now or are operating on borrowed time. The days of the $800 Glock 17 is long gone. The Internet is keeping most of them somewhat honest. What part of PA are you in jrzy, so I know not to deal with them? |
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1979 Nickel and she's still a virgin, sitting on my desk as I post this... 
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/cleaner1369/DSC00148_zpsxeex13zx.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/cleaner1369/DSC00151_zpsqyqari11.jpg That is a shame. So sad to see things like that. |
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I assume since you are an FFL, you have access to a Blue Book.
For what it's worth. As mentioned below, not always accurate, but a start. Grading: 4 or 6": N/A 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% N/A $3,500 $2,650 $2,000 $1,500 $1,100 $900 2 1/2": N/A 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% N/A $4,250 $3,750 $2,675 $2,250 $1,750 $1,200 Add 50% for 3 in. barrel - purchase only with factory letter. 3 in. barreled Pythons were first (but not exclusively) mfg. for Lew Horton with "K" prefix. Early production Pythons (serial numbered without letter prefix or suffix) with 4 or 6 in. barrels, fully checkered walnut grips with gold Colt medallions, and Accro flat-top sights will command a substantial premium. |
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HK never made ANY of the P7 series in stainless steel. They did make some in factory chrome plating, that looks fairly close to SS. Look it up. Quoted:
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I got a nice deal on one that came into the LGS I am Pt at..the rarest of the rare..it is 1 of only 250 , SS, 8 inch Target model in. 38spc... They go for $4000...I gave the guy 2k and bought it myself for 2800. It goes into the forever safe along with my matching P7 M13 & M8 SS and Real deal, Gun South import FN FAL.Next up is my Select fire IWI 556 Galil that I got for a steal from a retired FFL that treats,me like a son. Nickle M10. Had one. Nickle M13, Had one. |
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Thank you and really nice colt, I bet that one goes no where ever as far as selling right? Quoted:
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He was giving you a buy price. Not an appraisal or valuation. Exactly. This is something you have to be VERY clear about. Most gunshops do not offer appraisals. And some do. The answers I am reading seem to indicate that people are not understanding that the OP went to the gunshop for an appraisal, not for an offer. Huge difference. Now, both can happen depending on the [honest] appraisal and the offer that the possible seller must understand will be lower due to the markup for profit. Local shop lowballed an old widow on a Colt MKIII .38 special for a couple hundred bucks, nice shape, 2 mags, [mags were worth that much alone. I made a sight unseen offer of $500 [didn't know it was a MKIII, just that it was an older 1911] lady accepted, when I went to pick it up I told her it was worth more then I offered sight unseen and to call me when she had it appraised. She just wanted it to go to a ''good home'' and she refused to NOT sell it for $500 as she knew she was on the way out [she died a few months later]. The she ended up giving me an entire pickup truck load [Well, S10 size pickup] of reloading stuff, tens of thousands of rounds of ammo [in 148 grain match and .38 spl LRN] and everything else gun related because no one in the family wanted it. She said of all the people [to include her deceased hubby's best 'friend''] she had asked about it's value, they had all told her it was worth just a few hundred bucks and I was the only person that was honest with her and she wanted me to have it. Still have it. http://i67.tinypic.com/5kq4k6.jpg[/url] I have bought a LOT of guns because I don't lowball and word gets around. I'm honest that it's not retail value if they try to sell on the market but it's above what a dealer will offer. Staying with me or the kiddo. I did run across a grandson a couple years ago and got to chatting with him and told him about buying it. Offered it to him as family for what I paid for it. He declined saying no one in the family was into guns [wasn't anti gun in attitude, just more not interested] and he was glad it went to someone who enjoyed it. They really are nice shooting 1911s alibet really low capacity. |
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Blue book is way off the mark on Pythons As for fraud, if you ask pay an "expert" for his appraisal and he comes in really low in hopes of buying the gun thats fraud Quoted:
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Quoted wrong reply... It's called fraud by deception is most states. I assume you were responding to my post, but I still don't see where the "fraud" occurred. Maybe there is more to the story, but I just don't see it. I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. As for fraud, if you ask pay an "expert" for his appraisal and he comes in really low in hopes of buying the gun thats fraud In bold. |
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I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. Quoted:
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Quoted wrong reply... It's called fraud by deception is most states. I assume you were responding to my post, but I still don't see where the "fraud" occurred. Maybe there is more to the story, but I just don't see it. I would say it's more along the lines of being raped, but not fraud. You don't like my offer then gtfo, pretty simple. I would not go get an apprasial just for the heck of it. You can get Blue book online, along with other data sources. Sorry, I appraise guns for a living and the Blue Book is all but useless for values. It's great for identifying models and variations, but the values on 90% of the listings are way off from actual real world prices. It also can't take into account regional price variations due to popularity, etc... |
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Quoted: 1979 Nickel and she's still a virgin, sitting on my desk as I post this... http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/cleaner1369/DSC00148_zpsxeex13zx.jpg http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f159/cleaner1369/DSC00151_zpsqyqari11.jpg  |
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Quoted: I assume since you are an FFL, you have access to a Blue Book. For what it's worth. As mentioned below, not always accurate, but a start. Grading: 4 or 6": N/A 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% N/A $3,500 $2,650 $2,000 $1,500 $1,100 $900 2 1/2": N/A 100% 98% 95% 90% 80% 70% N/A $4,250 $3,750 $2,675 $2,250 $1,750 $1,200 Add 50% for 3 in. barrel - purchase only with factory letter. 3 in. barreled Pythons were first (but not exclusively) mfg. for Lew Horton with "K" prefix. Early production Pythons (serial numbered without letter prefix or suffix) with 4 or 6 in. barrels, fully checkered walnut grips with gold Colt medallions, and Accro flat-top sights will command a substantial premium. I'll have to re-up my membership, thank you. |
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I had Blue book online subscription but I had always thought they were off the mark on Pythins but what you posted seems like it's damned close. I'll have to re-up my membership, thank you. A friend of mine is an FFL, I don't think he has used the blue book in 8 years. He prefers to look at online completed auctions and determine price based on condition and final sale numbers. |