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Posted: 6/24/2016 3:46:31 AM EDT
Supporters hope that if Amendment 69, known as ColoradoCare, passes, other states will follow.

"The way to get here is state by state," according to T.R. Reid, spokesman for ColoradoCare and author of "The Healing of America."

"That's how we got female suffrage, child labor laws, interracial marriage, marijuana. One state does it and the other states see that it works and it spreads."

Proponents believe Colorado is the perfect testing ground for this issue because its constitution is far easier to amend than most other states. They cite the passage in 2012 of an amendment legalizing recreational marijuana despite the opposition of nearly every elected official in the state.

"People trust us to take ideas and make them work," Reid said, "and we can make this work and then the whole country will finally provide health care for everybody."


The proposal would double the state's $25 billion budget, prompting opponents like former Democratic Governor Bill Ritter and Republican State Treasurer Walker Stapleton to charge that free health care for all will not really be free at all.

"This proposal would bankrupt the state of Colorado in short order," Walker said, adding that the 10 percent payroll tax that would be required to fund ColoradoCare would crush the state's healthy economy.

"It would quickly make Colorado the highest taxed state from an income tax standpoint in the entire country. Businesses would flee in droves," he added.

The treasurer also predicted ColoradoCare would chase away the best doctors while bringing in a flood of new people, adding, "if you think legalized weed brought a lot of people to Colorado, you should try out free health care."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/23/colorado-considers-replacing-obamacare-with-state-single-payer-plan.html

They must be smoking some good shit.

Double their budget..wow.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 3:47:53 AM EDT
I would move to the Colorado of 2006. I won't live in the Colorado of 2016.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 3:53:54 AM EDT
Do you want to bankrupt a wealthy state's economy?

Because that's how you bankrupt a wealthy state's economy.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:09:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
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You do understand that that's the plan, right?

You can't make a nation socialist if there's a healthy economy with a thriving middle class.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:28:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
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Do the libtards/politicians give a fat fuck? I doubt it. Look at what they did to the national economy. 20 trillion in debt and climbing. Both sides are guilty and they think nothing of fucking everything and everybody over except the fat cats. A few in Colorado want to lead the way with bankruptcy with pride that is actually massive stupidity and socialism 101.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:39:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MCSquared:

You do understand that that's the plan, right?

You can't make a nation socialist if there's a healthy economy with a thriving middle class.
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Originally Posted By MCSquared:
Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Do you want to bankrupt a wealthy state's economy?

Because that's how you bankrupt a wealthy state's economy.

You do understand that that's the plan, right?

You can't make a nation socialist if there's a healthy economy with a thriving middle class.

Doctors will leave.

The excellent hospitals that exist statewide will shutter their doors.

Well-to-do Coloradoans will move to one of CO's border states (or more likely TX).

Shitty libtards with no ambition will flood into the state expecting free shit just as everyone who was supposed to pay for it has left.

Maybe this would give WY the economic kick in the ass it needs after 0 ruined their fossil fuel economy.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:44:12 AM EDT


Still accepting refugees from Kalifornia I see.


Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:46:17 AM EDT
I was just diagnosed with cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, need a 6 organ transplant, Zika, and Ebola-aids, Ii guess it is time to move to CO and get my free medical?

Didn't VT try a similar thing and it crashed and burned?
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:48:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
I was just diagnosed with cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, need a 6 organ transplant, Zika, and Ebola-aids, Ii guess it is time to move to CO and get my free medical?

Didn't VT try a similar thing and it crashed and burned?
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Expect every state around CO to shove their uninsured/indigent patients into a bus headed for Denver.

I plan on leaving if this shit passes.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:48:29 AM EDT
If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait until its 'free'
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:50:36 AM EDT
Please Please Please let them pass this

It will be EPIC in what it does to that state

Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:52:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
I was just diagnosed with cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, need a 6 organ transplant, Zika, and Ebola-aids, Ii guess it is time to move to CO and get my free medical?

Didn't VT try a similar thing and it crashed and burned?
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The next wave of Democratic/Progressive candidates for governor are still dragging it out. I would not be shocked to see it actually get passed at some point.

Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:54:09 AM EDT
If that fucking thing passes I'm moving to Amarillo.
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Originally Posted By VAGunGuy:
The next wave of Democratic/Progressive candidates for governor are still dragging it out. I would not be shocked to see it actually get passed at some point.

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Originally Posted By VAGunGuy:
Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
I was just diagnosed with cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, need a 6 organ transplant, Zika, and Ebola-aids, Ii guess it is time to move to CO and get my free medical?

Didn't VT try a similar thing and it crashed and burned?
The next wave of Democratic/Progressive candidates for governor are still dragging it out. I would not be shocked to see it actually get passed at some point.


With that said, I could get some sweet houses in the mountains for nothing when the real estate market collapses on itself.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 7:57:45 AM EDT
My Colorado Choice policy wants to raise rates by over 30% next year. It is already $1150 a month for the 2 of us for the worst policy known to man. High deductibles, HMO policy that has big co pays. Fuck the un ACA.

I'm voting for it, burn the fucker down!
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:05:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
My Colorado Choice policy wants to raise rates by over 30% next year. It is already $1150 a month for the 2 of us for the worst policy known to man. High deductibles, HMO policy that has big co pays. Fuck the un ACA.

I'm voting for it, burn the fucker down!
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So who do you think will see you when there's single payer in CO?

Do you think any good doctors will stay around?

I sure as shit won't.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:06:04 AM EDT
Tried this in Tenn then started demanding an income tax to pay for it....


luckily it all crashed and burned...

Unfortuneatley for CO, they already have an income tax to increase and pay for it.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:17:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
My Colorado Choice policy wants to raise rates by over 30% next year. It is already $1150 a month for the 2 of us for the worst policy known to man. High deductibles, HMO policy that has big co pays. Fuck the un ACA.

I'm voting for it, burn the fucker down!
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You're like one of those bastards that go on a shooting spree and then offs yourself because you're pissed off about how bad you suck.

Just suck start your proverbial shotgun and leave the rest of us alone.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:25:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:

Doctors will leave.

The excellent hospitals that exist statewide will shutter their doors.

Well-to-do Coloradoans will move to one of CO's border states (or more likely TX).

Shitty libtards with no ambition will flood into the state expecting free shit just as everyone who was supposed to pay for it has left.

Maybe this would give WY the economic kick in the ass it needs after 0 ruined their fossil fuel economy.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Originally Posted By MCSquared:
Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Do you want to bankrupt a wealthy state's economy?

Because that's how you bankrupt a wealthy state's economy.

You do understand that that's the plan, right?

You can't make a nation socialist if there's a healthy economy with a thriving middle class.

Doctors will leave.

The excellent hospitals that exist statewide will shutter their doors.

Well-to-do Coloradoans will move to one of CO's border states (or more likely TX).

Shitty libtards with no ambition will flood into the state expecting free shit just as everyone who was supposed to pay for it has left.

Maybe this would give WY the economic kick in the ass it needs after 0 ruined their fossil fuel economy.


Sounds pretty much like I imagine it would go.

Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:29:35 AM EDT
Good, now the rest of the free states can watch them screw themselves over. Hopefully there won't be too many followers.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:32:49 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kubota3430:
I was just diagnosed with cancer, AIDS, hepatitis, need a 6 organ transplant, Zika, and Ebola-aids, Ii guess it is time to move to CO and get my free medical?

Didn't VT try a similar thing and it crashed and burned?
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IIRC a big Obamacare and Bernie guy was working on it and figured out it was a terrible idea and dropped it before it could start.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:34:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
I would move to the Colorado of 2006. I won't live in the Colorado of 2016.
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I lived in the Colorado of 1985-2009. I miss the place and want to go back, but this shit is hard to swallow.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:43:33 AM EDT
I'll be moving to Wyoming if that bullshit happens.

Link Posted: 6/24/2016 8:47:29 AM EDT
California Jr. really is becoming a fucked up place
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 9:21:42 AM EDT
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East California is the proper name

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Link Posted: 6/24/2016 9:57:20 AM EDT
Please, do it!
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:04:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dropdbombnow:


Still accepting refugees from Kalifornia I see.


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Yes. Also, I believe that the statist legislator who pushed this is from Shitcago. I could be wrong (not about the statist part).
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:06:53 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Supporters hope that if Amendment 69, known as ColoradoCare, passes, other states will follow.

"The way to get here is state by state," according to T.R. Reid, spokesman for ColoradoCare and author of "The Healing of America."

"That's how we got female suffrage, child labor laws, interracial marriage, marijuana. One state does it and the other states see that it works and it spreads."

Proponents believe Colorado is the perfect testing ground for this issue because its constitution is far easier to amend than most other states. They cite the passage in 2012 of an amendment legalizing recreational marijuana despite the opposition of nearly every elected official in the state.

"People trust us to take ideas and make them work," Reid said, "and we can make this work and then the whole country will finally provide health care for everybody."


The proposal would double the state's $25 billion budget, prompting opponents like former Democratic Governor Bill Ritter and Republican State Treasurer Walker Stapleton to charge that free health care for all will not really be free at all.

"This proposal would bankrupt the state of Colorado in short order," Walker said, adding that the 10 percent payroll tax that would be required to fund ColoradoCare would crush the state's healthy economy.

"It would quickly make Colorado the highest taxed state from an income tax standpoint in the entire country. Businesses would flee in droves," he added.

The treasurer also predicted ColoradoCare would chase away the best doctors while bringing in a flood of new people, adding, "if you think legalized weed brought a lot of people to Colorado, you should try out free health care."
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/23/colorado-considers-replacing-obamacare-with-state-single-payer-plan.html

They must be smoking some good shit.

Double their budget..wow.
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I'd bet...(depending on how the law is written if it passes):

You'll see a massive influx of sick people into Colorado.
and
A massive exodus of 'well' people out....


Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:08:27 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Heuristic:
I'll be moving to Wyoming if that bullshit happens.

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That's probably my plan. I'll be putting my house on the market the first Wednesday this November if it passes. I don't think it will.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:08:34 AM EDT
I think Massholes tried this and it failed. I'm sure the progressives in CO will fix it though.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
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They don't care. The Socialist Paradise must be attained. Progress, Comrade, march forward towards the pretty lights.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:11:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:


Proponents believe Colorado is the perfect testing ground for this issue because its constitution is far easier to amend than most other states. They cite the passage in 2012 of an amendment legalizing recreational marijuana despite the opposition of nearly every elected official in the state.

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So is Kalifornia's, and look how well that turned out.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:12:08 AM EDT
Are they saying 50 Billion per year?

That is 9335 dollars for ever person in Colorado. talk about unsustainable.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:13:16 AM EDT
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Now there's going to be even more bums just laying around smoking pot.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:14:30 AM EDT
Someone has to try it first. Might as well be Colorado.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:

So who do you think will see you when there's single payer in CO?

Do you think any good doctors will stay around?

I sure as shit won't.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Originally Posted By dirtyboy:
My Colorado Choice policy wants to raise rates by over 30% next year. It is already $1150 a month for the 2 of us for the worst policy known to man. High deductibles, HMO policy that has big co pays. Fuck the un ACA.

I'm voting for it, burn the fucker down!

So who do you think will see you when there's single payer in CO?

Do you think any good doctors will stay around?

I sure as shit won't.

My folks just moved to Alamosa to be "free" of the entitlement attitude in New Mexico.

Guess that's not working out too well.
And it's cold as fuck there.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:22:49 AM EDT
Let them do it so we can use its inevitable failure as an example.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:24:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By phatmax:
Are they saying 50 Billion per year?

That is 9335 dollars for ever person in Colorado. talk about unsustainable.
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Your lack of faith is disturbing, comrade.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:25:26 AM EDT
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Your lack of faith is disturbing, comrade.
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Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Originally Posted By phatmax:
Are they saying 50 Billion per year?

That is 9335 dollars for ever person in Colorado. talk about unsustainable.


Your lack of faith is disturbing, comrade.

Spending other people's money is hella easy.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 10:30:30 AM EDT
I thought they would let Obamacare fall apart more than it has before someone tried this.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 11:57:49 AM EDT
As someone who makes his livelihood on healthcare financing, this will crash and burn.

BTW, Vermont already tried this and had an epic fail.

Green Mountain Care
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:11:28 PM EDT
I wholeheartedly encourage other states to try this nonsense.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:20:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi:
As someone who makes his livelihood on healthcare financing, this will crash and burn.

BTW, Vermont already tried this and had an epic fail.

Green Mountain Care
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It's like most socialist programs...the prior failures are only because they made a few mistakes in the implimenation.....WE know how to do it right....
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:21:30 PM EDT
In before the Colorado bail out.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:26:03 PM EDT
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It's like most socialist programs...the prior failures are only because they made a few mistakes in the implimenation.....WE know how to do it right....
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi:
As someone who makes his livelihood on healthcare financing, this will crash and burn.

BTW, Vermont already tried this and had an epic fail.

Green Mountain Care


It's like most socialist programs...the prior failures are only because they made a few mistakes in the implimenation.....WE know how to do it right....

Adverse selection FTW. The idiots have no idea what they are doing.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:28:30 PM EDT
Further proof that marijuana detrimentally affects intellectual functioning and emotional response.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:30:01 PM EDT
So thats what a libertarian paradise looks like.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:35:29 PM EDT
At one point in the 90s, I had to make a decision: Arizona or Colorado

Even though the summers are somewhere between purgatory and hell, I chose wisely
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:41:43 PM EDT
So what are the odds of this passing? Is it polling more toward yes right now? I've been looking for info and haven't seen much yet as to whether people want it or not. I've been really wanting to move back there, but this might be the stopper.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 12:57:25 PM EDT
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Do the libtards/politicians give a fat fuck? I doubt it. Look at what they did to the national economy. 20 trillion in debt and climbing. Both sides are guilty and they think nothing of fucking everything and everybody over except the fat cats. A few in Colorado want to lead the way with bankruptcy with pride that is actually massive stupidity and socialism 101.
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Do you want to bankrupt a wealthy state's economy?

Because that's how you bankrupt a wealthy state's economy.


Do the libtards/politicians give a fat fuck? I doubt it. Look at what they did to the national economy. 20 trillion in debt and climbing. Both sides are guilty and they think nothing of fucking everything and everybody over except the fat cats. A few in Colorado want to lead the way with bankruptcy with pride that is actually massive stupidity and socialism 101.



Good, maybe my good for nothing cousin will finally move to Colorado. I told him to get his ass out of Texas since he does nothing but bitch 24/7 about how terrible Texas is. He pitched an absolute bitch fit when his wife told him hell no on moving to Colorado when they passed legal weed. All he does is stay home and smoke pot all day while she works. He wanted to uproot his entire family, move up there without a single prospect for his wife or him to get a job.

A single payer system in Colorado will bankrupt them a lot quicker than the unions bankrupted Detroit. Every low life pot smoking dipshit already moved there. They aren't really known for their strong work ethic either, well they work hard at gaming the welfare system.
Link Posted: 6/24/2016 1:01:39 PM EDT
Legalize drugs

Institute free health care


What a great combo
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