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Posted: 8/8/2004 6:37:09 PM EST
Who saw it and what did you think.

On a scale of 1-10 i give it a 8.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:40:26 PM EST
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I had someone describe it to me as 'Commando 2' when it came out, and immediately lost interest. Interested to read more about it.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:41:22 PM EST
I'd agree with an 8


Good flick, just not great. Worth it though.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:44:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
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I had someone describe it to me as 'Commando 2' when it came out...



Much better Commando. Good & fast gun handling by cruise. I would have given it a 9 except for a predictable ending.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:48:45 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:48:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By rayra:
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I had someone describe it to me as 'Commando 2' when it came out, and immediately lost interest. Interested to read more about it.



Do you mean Collateral Damage? Completely different movie. It was on the other night. I didn't bother watching it. It looked like it sucked big time.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:48:49 PM EST
I rate it a 6...

Only a couple cool shooting scenes..The rest seemed low budget

When did Tom Cruise become a badass? From his flawless shooting position, he has either taken up shooting or it was a double because his back is to the camera when he drew and shot...(Alley scene)

No spoilers
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 6:58:09 PM EST
I give it a 9/10.

Awesome gun play and pretty accurate. Some of the hits he does are pretty sweet.

Won't go into details for those who havn't seen it.

SEE THIS MOVIE

Fidel
Out
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 7:03:12 PM EST
9, i didn't like the ending. Nuff' said.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 8:16:17 PM EST
I didnt like the way it as filmed and it seemed like you knew what was going to happen sometimes so i give it a 6.5 outta 10
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 8:20:35 PM EST
Anyone notice that Michael Mann had Cruise dressed up exactly like Deniro's charachter in HEAT?

Almost seems like a prequel to HEAT.

Chris
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 8:35:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By rayra:
tagged.
I had someone describe it to me as 'Commando 2' when it came out...



Much better Commando. Good & fast gun handling by cruise. I would have given it a 9 except for a predictable ending.


Whups. My mistake, thought it was 'Collateral Damage', not the new Cruise flick
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 8:36:43 PM EST
I hear Cruise went too gun school for this role.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 9:02:20 PM EST
Sound like it's worth a look, just for gun play.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 9:06:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 9:25:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Az_Redneck:
The rest seemed low budget



It was shot digitally, almost entirely at night in LA. So that was deliberate.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 10:19:18 PM EST
8

The end sucks, otherwise would be a 9.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 10:22:29 PM EST
I really liked the film. I like characters that lack morality, I think it adds a whole new dimension to the story.
Link Posted: 8/8/2004 10:58:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/8/2004 11:03:53 PM EST by AR-15Fan]
I thought it was pretty good, 8.5 or so outta 10.

Cruise definitely got some training and took it seriously, because he was a badass. Typical Michael Mann stuff, pretty sweet... He really seems to dig accurate firearms usage, even back in the Miami Vice days (for the most part) his stuff stood out, he seems to be getting better and better about it as he goes...

Anyway, I'm sure there was a mistake or two in the handling in the movie, but Cruise totally sold the badass hitman part IMO... It needed more overall action though, I hope he does a heavy action movie soon. How about HEAT 2 with Val Kilmer and a new crew??
Link Posted: 8/9/2004 6:36:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR-15Fan:
How about HEAT 2 with Val Kilmer and a new crew??



Wow, I would DEFINITELY see that.

Link Posted: 8/9/2004 7:25:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By GrumpyM4:
Anyone notice that Michael Mann had Cruise dressed up exactly like Deniro's charachter in HEAT?

Almost seems like a prequel to HEAT.

Chris




Mann doesn't vary too much, movie to movie. His style is edgey, emotion driven and often bare bones.
Go rent "Thief" with James Caan. An early Michael Mann flick that almost a prototypical Heat. "Manhunter" was also good.
I think Cruises's (and Deniro's) grey suits and grizzled beards are suppossed to make the audience view the character as wolf-like. A predator. Stalking and silent one second, explosively violent the next.

The grey suits could also be symbolic of the fact that neither of these characters view themselves as "evil". They don't fit into the simple black and white, good guy/bad guy worldview. It's just their chosen profession.

A good movie. I was frankly impressed that Jamie Foxx held up his end and the script didn't stoop to easy black vs. white
conflicts. I think Foxx has the ability to become as big as Wil Smith, if he avoids the easy paychecks and low-brow scripts like the Wayans brothers churn out.

CKMorley
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 1:04:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/11/2004 1:05:23 PM EST by urbankaos04]
I also think that Mr. Foxx did a good job in the film. He was able to show more of his "depth" as an actor in this film. As for Mr. Cruise, what can I say? the gun play was VERY COOL, especially the scene in the alley with the two scum buckets! I was REALLy impressed with that scene. Mr. Cruise's gun handling skill were very natural and fluid. I wonder who his instructor was?

At any rate, it was a cool flick, better than most out there. Not the greatest movie, but it's worth the several bucks I paid.
Link Posted: 8/11/2004 1:10:10 PM EST
The one thing I took away from this movie:

If you don't shoot people more than once - they're not really down.

(FWIW - "Collateral - The IDPA stage", based on the alley scene, has been written and will be conducted September 4th at Hartland Sportsman's Club in Delafield, WI. This is also the match where we'll be having our 'Black Rifle' Side match)
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 8:50:48 AM EST
D'oh!!!

Whoever IM'd me asking for a copy of "Collateral - The IDPA Stage" please IM me again! (I lost your message)
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 11:30:39 AM EST
"Hey Homie!"

"I liked the movie alot. My wife was even into the good gun fighting stuff ("Nice magazine change"). And even though I didn't like H&K pistols the last time I shot one, I am now thinking about a USP. Michael Mann seems to generally do a good job. My only rreal criticisms of this movie were that there were a few plot points that seemed a little ridiculous and that it sometimes seemed like an unaired episode of "Robbery-Homicide Division." Still a good time at the theater, and the head FBI agent reminded me of (and looked and acted very much like) a real agent I know.

We saw it at the Alamo Drafthouse, which, I am increasingly convinced, is about the only way to see a movie. Our waitress told us they are about to do a major, nationwide expansion, and open about 200 more locations around the country, so hopefully the rest of you will get to see what you are missing.

.
Link Posted: 8/12/2004 11:33:02 AM EST
I really enjoyed the film. Looks like cruise actually recieved some real training to at least 'look' like he knew what he was doing.

great flick!
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 7:35:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By rayra:
tagged.
I had someone describe it to me as 'Commando 2' when it came out...



Much better Commando. Good & fast gun handling by cruise. I would have given it a 9 except for a predictable ending.



8.50

IMHO, when you contrast Max and Vincent, I didn't think the outcome was predictable. Max never made the Hollywood leap to "fearless action star" well written character...very interesting to watch his evolution.

Michael Mann could have easily taken it in a different direction.
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 7:38:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR-15Fan:
I thought it was pretty good, 8.5 or so outta 10.

Cruise definitely got some training and took it seriously, because he was a badass. Typical Michael Mann stuff, pretty sweet... He really seems to dig accurate firearms usage, even back in the Miami Vice days (for the most part) his stuff stood out, he seems to be getting better and better about it as he goes...

Anyway, I'm sure there was a mistake or two in the handling in the movie, but Cruise totally sold the badass hitman part IMO... It needed more overall action though, I hope he does a heavy action movie soon. How about HEAT 2 with Val Kilmer and a new crew??




For the film, Cruise under went a lot of training and admitted it was the first time he's ever fired a real weapon.

(And all this time I thought he was firing live rounds at the end of TAPS)
Link Posted: 8/17/2004 7:47:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/17/2004 7:48:22 PM EST by hepcat85]

Originally Posted By CKMorley:

Originally Posted By GrumpyM4:
Anyone notice that Michael Mann had Cruise dressed up exactly like Deniro's charachter in HEAT?

Almost seems like a prequel to HEAT.

Chris



I think Cruises's (and Deniro's) grey suits and grizzled beards are suppossed to make the audience view the character as wolf-like. A predator. Stalking and silent one second, explosively violent the next. Agreed! With-in the film; from a professional perspective, it's easier to blend in and melt away in a witness or bystander's memory. Notice that they always ditch the neck tie after the "job" is done? DeNiro wore a jacket, no tie, until the "big bank job" and then the visit with "Mr. Waynegrove" when he stole the rent-a-cop uniform. Vincent ditched his tie after the first "visit." It's like they wear a suit to be unobtrusive and blend in, but when the action is blown they make that distinction like a "F*ck off" to the suits they are mimicing.

The grey suits could also be symbolic of the fact that neither of these characters view themselves as "evil". They don't fit into the simple black and white, good guy/bad guy worldview. It's just their chosen profession. Outside the film, as in the writing side, that's VERY true indeed. It's a visual cue for the audience

A good movie. I was frankly impressed that Jamie Foxx held up his end and the script didn't stoop to easy black vs. white
conflicts. I think Foxx has the ability to become as big as Wil Smith, if he avoids the easy paychecks and low-brow scripts like the Wayans brothers churn out.

CKMorley

Link Posted: 8/17/2004 8:55:27 PM EST
Did anyone catch the M17 that was carried by one of the second to last hit's henchmen? (May have been one of his boss' guys I forget)

I swore it looked like a custom job by Kurt,

Good movie, I was definitely rooting for Cruise......

Ending was very predicatable, I'd give it a 7, a prequel would be awesome, just focusing on Vincent.

Link Posted: 8/17/2004 9:49:17 PM EST
Don't forget the near perfect Mozambique "drill" at the end.

I loved the way the camera zoomed in on the sights and made it appear that Cruise took just a little more time to make that head shot after the quick double tap to the chest. VERY cool.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 5:58:15 AM EST
Great movie! The acting and dialogue are excellent. And as mentioned the gun handling and effects are mostly realistic. It's a good balance between dialogue and action. I didn't really notice any slow parts because it always felt like the movie was going somewhere.
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