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9/16/2002 6:40:37 AM EDT
I just picked up the October 2002 issue of S.W.A.T. magazine.  Now, I normally refrain from reading this particular rag, because it lacks in comparison to Guns and Weapons of Law Enforcement.  But what the heck, it featured a cover story on the DPMS Panther Lite 16.

All I have to say is that the author, Denny Hansen, is dismally clueless.

Example:

In reference to the illegal tele-buttstock that has been pinned open he writes:

"another option would be to return the CAR-type stock to DPMS and have them re-pin it for you in a shorter LOP."

Mr. Hansen is obviously clueless about the law.

Then he reports that this "serious carbine" experienced "three failure-to-extract malfunctions out of twenty rounds fired.  The malufunctions required tapping the spent casing from the chamber from the muzzle end with a cleaning rod."  However, he does eventually conclude that crappy Winchester WCC99 ammo is to blame.  And he's probably 99.9% correct in that assertion, however he used his Olympic Arms carbine as the control sample.  Denny figures that if his old tight chamber Oly also balks, then it must be the ammo!  I know that Winchester 5.56 is bottom of the barrel stuff, however I would have felt better if he used a Colt, Bushmaster or Armalite as his control sample.

His logic is as follows:

My Ford stalls in traffic.  Hey, so does my Yugo.  Therefore, it must be the crappy gas!

No, it could also be another factor.  Just as the F-T-E's may have been caused by another, or more than one, factor.
Now here's the kicker...

Hansen then reports that:

"To obtain zero, it was necessary to move the rear sight aperture all most all the way to the right.  This resulted in a gap between the rear aperture and the left protective wing of the carry handle.  Initially this was slightly distracting when mounting the carbine at speed, but I became accustomed to it after a short time."  

This dude has no idea why he had to crank his rear sight all the way to the left.  He didn't mention a mis indexed front sight or alignment pin.  He didn't mention the possible over-torquing of the barrel nut.  No, he concludes "If you need a reliable AR-15-type rifle... check out the Panther Lite 16.

What a crock!  The whole gun-rag "go out an' get yerr-self this here gun as soon as possible" schtick is really apparent here.  

Sure, it fails to extract and has a mis-indexed barrel, but you can depend on this here shootin' iron in a life or death situation.  

By the way, the article also features a cute snapshot of Denny and his strange looking assistant sporting their best SWAT gear.  In fact, his stange looking assistant looks like he'd enjoy a "stack" a bit too much.

Go out an git yerr-self this here shooting mag!
9/16/2002 6:50:00 AM EDT
[#1]
re: re-pinning the telestock -


Doesn't RRA sell a short "tactical entry" buttstock to civvies? So wouldn't re-pinning the CAR stock be legal??

re: using his Oly -

Oly has confirmed their chambers as tighter than many others.

So if ammo jams in a tight chambered Oly, what he has  REAALLY confirmed is that this ammo jams in a tight Oly chamber.

The front sight mis-alignment thing tells me he has prolly never actually sighted in a rifle himself. This is basic stuff.



9/16/2002 6:54:02 AM EDT
[#2]
The ATF has ruled that you cannot create a post-ban legal "fixed" tele-stock by pinning and epoxying it in the open postion.

I believe that you need a full length buffer extension that lacks the machined grooves.
9/16/2002 6:57:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
The ATF has ruled that you cannot create a post-ban legal "fixed" tele-stock by pinning and epoxying it in the open postion.

I believe that you need a full length buffer extension that lacks the machined grooves.
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Does anybody have a link to this ruling that everybody keeps talking about?
9/16/2002 7:05:25 AM EDT
[#4]
WCC99 isn't the same as Q3131A is it?  If it is I wouldn't go so far as to say it is crappy.
9/16/2002 7:11:48 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
The ATF has ruled that you cannot create a post-ban legal "fixed" tele-stock by pinning and epoxying it in the open postion.

I believe that you need a full length buffer extension that lacks the machined grooves.
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Please provide a link to this ruling as I think you and a bunch of others are making this up.  I have read this before and have not been able to find anything to back it up.  The info I have seen indicates that if you have to destroy the stock to adjust it, then it is in a fixed position.  There would be no reason why someone couldn't come up with a fixed position fake collapsible that was in a fake collapsed length.  As long as the rifle met minimum overall length, and you have to destroy the stock to move it, what's the diff?