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Posted: 11/15/2008 4:12:16 AM EDT
I'm considering trying to get a job working for one of these civilian contracting companies (one of the big ones, not the start up ones that give you an AK, a mag, and tell you to get in the truck and then don't pay you afterwards).. but I have no prior experience in the military or law enforcement. I only have years of study under my belt, I'm young, but feel that this is the best route for me right now. I'm not necessarily looking to jump into this immediately, but I want to know what these companies expect, what gets you hired, and what I can do now to increase or guarantee my chances of getting hired.

I do plan on buying this book I came across: http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=3697

Is it worth it?

Anyway, have at it. Provide any thoughts you think I should hear, advice, places I should do more research.. subjects to research, forums geared towards people in this field that I should join. Things like that.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 4:19:25 AM EDT
Join the Marines, then look into it. They're mostly looking for guys with 1 or 2 combat tours under their belt. In the beginning it would have been a little easier but not so much anymore.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 5:05:05 AM EDT
I think you're the type that would get complacent fast, daydream too much, and get someone killed.

Any good security company will think the same.

Quit reading books and join the Marine Corps / Army.

When you have some proven abiolity to follow instruction and maintain bearing under your belt, decide what's best for you.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 9:11:35 AM EDT
With no prior service in the mil or LE, you have lttle to nothing to offer a civilian contracting firm. Especially the security companies. But KBR needs laborers all the time.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 9:14:15 AM EDT
Join the service first.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 9:26:58 AM EDT
Call em up and tell them your experience is that you intend to read a book about the subject and see what they say.


Any military service in a combat arms type job would be a help, alot more than reading a book.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 9:41:54 AM EDT
You have nothing to offer to any respectable company. Seek other employment.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 2:30:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 2:31:33 PM EDT by taifun]
loose those dreams and fast. after lebanon bosnia and kosovo i can tell thath you are heading to place that you dont belong.
Link Posted: 11/15/2008 3:32:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/15/2008 3:33:00 PM EDT by SmallTownGuy1]
Originally Posted By friendlysniper:
I'm considering trying to get a job working for one of these civilian contracting companies (one of the big ones, not the start up ones that give you an AK, a mag, and tell you to get in the truck and then don't pay you afterwards).. but I have no prior experience in the military or law enforcement. I only have years of study under my belt, I'm young, but feel that this is the best route for me right now. I'm not necessarily looking to jump into this immediately, but I want to know what these companies expect, what gets you hired, and what I can do now to increase or guarantee my chances of getting hired.

I do plan on buying this book I came across: http://www.tacticalresponsegear.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=36&products_id=3697

Is it worth it?

Anyway, have at it. Provide any thoughts you think I should hear, advice, places I should do more research.. subjects to research, forums geared towards people in this field that I should join. Things like that.



enlist, go to the Benning School for Boys and do one or 5 of their fine courses
or any of the fine instruction uncle sam will give you for free and some cool books for free

smalltown guy1
us army 1988 to present
iraq 2003 -2004 uncle sam 2004 -2006 one of the companies that may look for you in a while





Link Posted: 11/16/2008 7:05:29 AM EDT
Thanks to all who gave proper responses,

although I have to say fuck off to those who simply stated the obvious. If I had experience, I wouldn't have made this thread, so reaffirming something I already know isn't very helpful. I don't plan on taking other peoples lives into my hands unless I'm competent to do so. And as for that book, if you had bothered to look at that link, it doesn't go into any details as far as tactics/training. Just the actual 'getting the job', and other 'non-glamorous'/paper and pen aspects of this field.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 7:40:02 AM EDT
Originally Posted By friendlysniper:
Thanks to all who gave proper responses,

although I have to say fuck off to those who simply stated the obvious. If I had experience, I wouldn't have made this thread, so reaffirming something I already know isn't very helpful. I don't plan on taking other peoples lives into my hands unless I'm competent to do so. And as for that book, if you had bothered to look at that link, it doesn't go into any details as far as tactics/training. Just the actual 'getting the job', and other 'non-glamorous'/paper and pen aspects of this field.


It would seem I pegged you correctly.

I wouldn't hire you to rake my lawn.
Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:00:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/16/2008 8:03:14 AM EDT by Recon_by_Fire]
You stand a 0.0% chance of getting hired as a security contractor without the military/LE experience. There are non-security related contract jobs that can be acquired with little or no experience, but the well paying ones again will require experience in their field.

Save your money, don't buy the book. Join the military in combat arms and get some experience. It may be the obvious, but apparently the truth was lost on you.

Maybe you could just find a brain surgeon job at home too, maybe they will hire with no experience either. Makes as much sense...

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:03:58 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By friendlysniper:
Thanks to all who gave proper responses,

although I have to say fuck off to those who simply stated the obvious. If I had experience, I wouldn't have made this thread, so reaffirming something I already know isn't very helpful. I don't plan on taking other peoples lives into my hands unless I'm competent to do so. And as for that book, if you had bothered to look at that link, it doesn't go into any details as far as tactics/training. Just the actual 'getting the job', and other 'non-glamorous'/paper and pen aspects of this field.


It would seem I pegged you correctly.

I wouldn't hire you to rake my lawn.


How much are you paying for the lawn raking gig?

Link Posted: 11/16/2008 8:57:53 AM EDT
Realistically, you're gonna have to look at the non-high-speed/operator type jobs. Even those support jobs require at least some experience or possibly a degree.

I'm on my third contract working SATCOM/IT stuff. I've worked with many guys with absolutely no .mil experience. They did have other hands on experience and were able to pass background checks though.

You'll never get that internet tough guy cred working support, but the pay is still decent. I'm getting $150k/year working this commo job. It's behind the wire and I get to surf the net all shift. My ego is perfectly happy with it.

CHRIS



Link Posted: 11/16/2008 11:31:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 7:52:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/19/2008 7:53:36 AM EDT by tc556guy]
Originally Posted By friendlysniper:
I'm considering trying to get a job working for one of these civilian contracting companies (one of the big ones, not the start up ones that give you an AK, a mag, and tell you to get in the truck and then don't pay you afterwards)...... Is it worth it?




Three days ago I was on a convoy escort. A truck filled with six of those off-brand security guys you mention hit an IED five minutes ahead of our convoy. It blew their truck into parts that were thrown across the highway and killed all six instantly.
The Dynecorp guys have hit a few IEDs in their up-armored pickups, and as far as I know, none of them have died.
You tell me if its worth it to go cheap on employer quality.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 8:43:18 AM EDT
You should REALLY go over to getoffthex and read. Do some more research and ask this question. Or you could just get a user ID and ask this question there. I love arfcom, but there are better resources available for this kind of information.
Link Posted: 11/19/2008 9:36:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By friendlysniper:
Thanks to all who gave proper responses,

although I have to say fuck off to those who simply stated the obvious. If I had experience, I wouldn't have made this thread, so reaffirming something I already know isn't very helpful. I don't plan on taking other peoples lives into my hands unless I'm competent to do so. And as for that book, if you had bothered to look at that link, it doesn't go into any details as far as tactics/training. Just the actual 'getting the job', and other 'non-glamorous'/paper and pen aspects of this field.


Your attitude here is showing that you are not the kind of person well suited for this line of work. The kind of people that excel at these things do not look for half-assed ways to get things done.
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 6:57:41 AM EDT
Even the LNs that work at the KBR Dining Facility have some kind of training in etiquette (Yes, sir. Please. Thank you, sir.) as well as English. You might be able to supervise them, but even the dining hall management has some military mess experience.

As others have said, your best bet is to enlist in the military and gain experience that way. Reading one book or one hundred books won't do shit for you out here. Hopefully your ticket to Fantasy Land is a round-trip one.

Originally Posted By Cixelsyd:
Realistically, you're gonna have to look at the non-high-speed/operator type jobs. Even those support jobs require at least some experience or possibly a degree.

I'm on my third contract working SATCOM/IT stuff. I've worked with many guys with absolutely no .mil experience. They did have other hands on experience and were able to pass background checks though.

You'll never get that internet tough guy cred working support, but the pay is still decent. I'm getting $150k/year working this commo job. It's behind the wire and I get to surf the net all shift. My ego is perfectly happy with it.

CHRIS





Where do you communicate? That would be funny if you were where I am. . . espceially since I'm doing the same on the military side of the house!
Link Posted: 11/21/2008 7:35:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By JS98010:

Where do you communicate? That would be funny if you were where I am. . . espceially since I'm doing the same on the military side of the house!
I'm on VBC. Near Al Faw.

CHRIS

Link Posted: 11/21/2008 7:01:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11/21/2008 7:02:32 PM EDT by JS98010]
Originally Posted By Cixelsyd:
Originally Posted By JS98010:

Where do you communicate? That would be funny if you were where I am. . . espceially since I'm doing the same on the military side of the house!
I'm on VBC. Near Al Faw.

CHRIS




Good deal!
I'm not there.
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