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Posted: 10/1/2011 2:31:03 PM EST


Today, I saw a Chinese M-14 at the range. So I thought I would take a few pictures and tell the hive about new Chinese M-14 rifles.

First of all I understand that new Chinese M-14s are all stamped with the year of manufacture. This rifle was stamped with the year 2007.

The rifle had a crisp smooth action and the piece was nicely parkerized. The Chinese used to stock their rifles using a very cheap wood; however, this M-14 was stocked in a decent hardwood. Now my friend's rifle had a few wear marks on the stock, but that's because he carried it into the woods the last few hunting seasons.

I fired the rifle twice off hand, and I was taken aback by the lack of apparent recoil. The trigger was long, but smooth and very good.

Overall, I like this rifle a lot. If these were available in the United States, the Chinese would sell thousands of them. My friend tells me that he has fired around 200 trouble free rounds and that he is very pleased









Fluffy
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:32:55 PM EST
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:33:10 PM EST
Rumors of poor metallurgy plagued these rifles in the 90's....perhaps they've improved them? a moot point if we can't buy then here in the US though.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:33:24 PM EST
Love mine.

Waiting to send it to Warbird forva GI bolt conversion...
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:34:17 PM EST
Plenty of them in switzerland. The ones I saw are crap
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:34:48 PM EST

Those Chinese rifles sure do suck.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:36:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By FluffyTheCat:


Today, I saw a Chinese M-14 at the range. So I thought I would take a few pictures and tell the hive about new Chinese M-14 rifles.

First of all I understand that new Chinese M-14s are all stamped with the year of manufacture. This rifle was stamped with the year 2007.

The rifle had a crisp smooth action and the piece was nicely parkerized. The Chinese used to stock their rifles using a very cheap wood; however, this M-14 was stocked in a decent hardwood. Now my friend's rifle had a few wear marks on the stock, but that's because he carried it into the woods the last few hunting seasons.

I fired the rifle twice off hand, and I was taken aback by the lack of apparent recoil. The trigger was long, but smooth and very good.

Overall, I like this rifle a lot. If these were available in the United States, the Chinese would sell thousands of them. My friend tells me that he has fired around 200 trouble free rounds and that he is very pleased

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu138/Fluffy9lives/001-2.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu138/Fluffy9lives/002-3.jpg

http://i641.photobucket.com/albums/uu138/Fluffy9lives/008-5.jpg



Fluffy


They forgot the fun switch...
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:41:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By WhirlyGirl45:
Rumors of poor metallurgy plagued these rifles in the 90's....perhaps they've improved them? a moot point if we can't buy then here in the US though.

Not the receivers. The forged receivers are top quality. Other parts are of dubious quality.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:42:57 PM EST
It's hard enough to find non-Chinese made stuff as it is, and for damn sure I'm not going out of my way to buy a Chinese firearm.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:44:36 PM EST
I bought mine in 1992 NIB for $299. Fulton Armory has said that the receivers and barrels are excellent, but the bolts are soft and improperly fitted. Mine had excessive headspace so I had a local smith lap and fit a GI bolt. Castle nut was spot welded in place so after I hacked it off I put a Springfield flashider in place of the fake Chinese unit. Gun shot like a dream, 2moa with open sights using Cavim surplus 7.62 NATO. Sold it to finance my move from Florida to WV, wish I'd hung onto it. (Mine was a Polytech).
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:49:10 PM EST
Chinese....




Not Chinese....





The Polytech is actually pretty nice. It wears a TRW bolt now, and it's been both reliable and accurate.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 2:49:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 2:50:13 PM EST by garr]
I have a early 1990s version, As has been said above the Forged receiver & barrel are excellent, I would rate the receiver as the 2nd best semi auto M14 receiver ever available (LRBs are the best). The bolt was very soft & I had it replaced with a TRW bolt.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:18:28 PM EST
I have a Norinco that has never given me a problem. It's as accurate as any Springifield I've ever shot.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:21:26 PM EST
I've had my 2007 Norinco since the fall of '09. No issues and it keeps Federal Fusion within 2 inches at 100m with iron sights. Not bad for a rifle I traded an SKS-D for.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:36:12 PM EST
They are excellent. Go to Different's M-14 forum.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:41:07 PM EST
The phrase "Chinese M14" just fuckin annoys me. Anyone for a Cuban M1 Garand perhaps.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:52:02 PM EST
Would it be legal for a Canadian hunter to bring one of those into the US for a hunt, and for whatever reason give it to his guide as a tip? If so one MIGHT show up eventually on the gunshow circuit. Not saying anyone should bereak any laws but the libs are always whining about loopholes, maybe there's one here.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:55:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 3:55:51 PM EST by sporter]
Chicom M-14's are good to go.

Springfields have more problems them the Chicom M14's could ever dream of.

/thread
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:56:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 3:57:46 PM EST by OlCrow]
First reply wins again.

Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....




Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:56:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....


uncanny how the 1st post gets it again
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:57:11 PM EST

they didn't forget the switch on this one
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 3:58:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By eswift:
Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....


uncanny how the 1st post gets it again


Is it really a knock off it it's built on GI machines stolen from Taiwan? Or so I've read.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 4:52:42 PM EST
I'm not a big fan of chinese rifles, but I do enjoy the hell out of their women.
But I'm not sure I'd trust my life to either one.

Link Posted: 10/1/2011 4:57:35 PM EST
Some guys like them, I was never a fan boy and that view remains.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 5:07:21 PM EST
Traded a CIA FrankenFAL for this one.

I upgraded the bolt, oprod, and trigger group with CMP parts.

Link Posted: 10/1/2011 5:24:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 5:24:18 PM EST by Gopher]
CockedandLocked paging Cockedandlocked.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 5:33:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By KA3B:
http://www.vaq34.com/junk/M1A_M14S_002.jpg
Those Chinese rifles sure do suck.


Whats the scope and mount?
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 7:06:32 PM EST
People who rant about Chinese knock-off rifles are free to purchase me a NIB Springfield M1A

I have not had any problems with mine. I bought mine used and it had been partially rebuilt with USGI stock and hardware. The Op Rod had also been replaced.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 7:40:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Originally Posted By eswift:
Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....


uncanny how the 1st post gets it again


Is it really a knock off it it's built on GI machines stolen from Taiwan? Or so I've read.


That's a common misperception but the People's Republic of China used its own machiiney at State Arsenal 356 (Kunmng, Yunnan) to manufacture M14 rifles.

Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:30:46 PM EST
I'll concede that it is a good looking knock-off.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:44:55 PM EST
Originally Posted By junker46:
Originally Posted By KA3B:
http://www.vaq34.com/junk/M1A_M14S_002.jpg
Those Chinese rifles sure do suck.


Whats the scope and mount?


Nikon illuminated mil dot and a Sadlak mount.

Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:46:34 PM EST
Firearms are the one thing the Chinese can get right.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:49:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Shung:
Plenty of them in switzerland. The ones I saw are crap


Yeah but they don't ding themselves by slinging brass on their own receivers, chipping the paint away around the ejection port.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:52:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By sporter:
Chicom M-14's are good to go.

Springfields have more problems them the Chicom M14's could ever dream of.

/thread




I have seen a lot of problems with Springfields M1As over the years.

The best ones out there used to be built with a good reciever (there used to be a number of pretty good ones out there), a SAK barrel, a TRW parts kit on a walnut (later McMillan fiberglass) stock.

This was about 15 years ago.

The Poly Techs I saw then were pretty rough.

Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:54:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 8:56:05 PM EST by Snafu12]
I GIed mine when CMP dumped the M14 parts 8-9 years ago
Had it NM built at that time
It is one of my best shooters
600 yard target with no pits below
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:55:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By doorgunner84:
Fuck China, and their knock-offs....

Better than many of the American knock-offs.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 8:58:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/1/2011 8:59:13 PM EST by Mauritius]
The only Chinese gun I want is a Polytech Legend.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 9:01:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
I have a Norinco that has never given me a problem. It's as accurate as any Springifield I've ever shot.


I have had a preban since 2003 and it has been 100% and suprisingly accurate. I bought a NOS TRW bolt for it in 2007 and just sold it on the EE since I found out all the myths and rumors about crap China parts are mostly...crap.


I don't shoot 1000's of rounds a year, but if the bolt needs replaced they are now being made by SEI and LRB.
Link Posted: 10/1/2011 9:03:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By piccolo:


I have seen a lot of problems with Springfields M1As over the years.

The best ones out there used to be built with a good receiver (there used to be a number of pretty good ones out there), a SAK barrel, a TRW parts kit on a walnut (later McMillan fiberglass) stock.

This was about 15 years ago.


I was told that Springfield, Inc., used different foundries to cast their receiver. It could vary from foundry to foundry. Apart from being casted, those with serial #50k and below were pretty sound. The later ones had a flaw with the bridge (web) of the receiver that would not permit the tail of the firing pin to rotate as effortlessly as it should. If Springfield wanted a receiver casted right, they should just take it to Pine Tree Casting (Ruger) where there is very good quality control and metallurgy.
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