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2/13/2007 2:09:50 PM EDT
I have a 2001 Chevy 1500 ext. cab 2wd pickup.  I've been disappointed in the gas mileage since I purchased it.  I just discovered that while I'm running on P255 tires, the manufacture plate says it should have P235.  I guess this creates odomoter/speedometer to read incorrectly.

My question is this:  Is there a way to tell the computer that I'm on a different size tire so it can adjust the gauges accordingly, or is this purely mechanical and uncorrectable (as long as I keep the P255s)?
2/13/2007 2:14:14 PM EDT
[#1]
Your odo should be correct because that measurement is the width of the tire, which doesn't effect circumference.
2/13/2007 2:16:40 PM EDT
[#2]

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Your odo should be correct because that measurement is the width of the tire, which doesn't effect circumference.


Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.
2/13/2007 2:16:45 PM EDT
[#3]

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Your odo should be correct because that measurement is the width of the tire, which doesn't effect circumference.


Shit... you're right... major brain fart.

Thanks.  
2/13/2007 2:19:50 PM EDT
[#4]
I believe certain models in 2001 that were 2wd came with 255 tires regardless of what the door jamb says.  I would almost swear my bro in law's had 255's on his 2wd, while my 4wd was equipped with 265's.
2/13/2007 2:21:45 PM EDT
[#5]

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I believe certain models in 2001 that were 2wd came with 255 tires regardless of what the door jamb says.  I would almost swear my bro in law's had 255's on his 2wd, while my 4wd was equipped with 265's.


So my mileage issue is probably not an odometer misread, but an actual issue...
2/13/2007 2:21:47 PM EDT
[#6]
The 255 will be a little over 1 inch taller than the 235, this will throw the speed/odometer out.  If you had a Performance Programmer then you could adjust it yourself.  I am sure the dealership can also do it but not sure what they will charge.
2/13/2007 2:22:51 PM EDT
[#7]

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The 255 will be a little over 1 inch taller than the 235, this will throw the speed/odometer out.  If you had a Performance Programmer then you could adjust it yourself.  I am sure the dealership can also do it but not sure what they will charge.
No it's not and no it won't.


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Your odo should be correct because that measurement is the width of the tire, which doesn't effect circumference.


Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.
I believe you are wrong on that.

The height number is a ratio.  The width is a straight up measurement.

I could be wrong, it's happened before (once).
2/13/2007 2:33:48 PM EDT
[#8]

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Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.


I believe you are wrong on that.

The height number is a ratio.  The width is a straight up measurement.

I could be wrong, it's happened before (once).


Right.  So let's assume 255/75/16 and 235/75/16.

255 x 75% = 191.25mm

191.25 x 2 = 382.50mm = 15.091 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 31.091 inches overall


235 x 75% = 176.25mm

176.25 x 2 = 352.5mm = 13.878 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 29.878 inches overall
2/13/2007 2:39:02 PM EDT
[#9]
nvm
2/13/2007 2:39:42 PM EDT
[#10]
Tire size calculator

To change speedo calibration, find someone w/ a hypertech:

www.hypertech-inc.com/gmfeaturechart.html

2/13/2007 2:41:57 PM EDT
[#11]
If you have access to a Tech II you can update the ECM to the proper tire size.

Danny
2/13/2007 2:42:26 PM EDT
[#12]

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Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.


I believe you are wrong on that.

The height number is a ratio.  The width is a straight up measurement.

I could be wrong, it's happened before (once).


Right.  So let's assume 255/75/16 and 235/75/16.

255 x 75% = 191.25mm

191.25 x 2 = 382.50mm = 15.091 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 31.091 inches overall


235 x 75% = 176.25mm

176.25 x 2 = 352.5mm = 13.878 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 29.878 inches overall
Once again, you are wrong.

That number is the width in MM.  It's not a ratio, it's the straight up width.

Changing that does not change the total circumference.



Dude the height of the tire is based on the width in a metric tire.  

255 is the width

75 is the height in percentage form

16 is the rim diameter
2/13/2007 2:42:27 PM EDT
[#13]

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Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.


I believe you are wrong on that.

The height number is a ratio.  The width is a straight up measurement.

I could be wrong, it's happened before (once).


Right.  So let's assume 255/75/16 and 235/75/16.

255 x 75% = 191.25mm

191.25 x 2 = 382.50mm = 15.091 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 31.091 inches overall


235 x 75% = 176.25mm

176.25 x 2 = 352.5mm = 13.878 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 29.878 inches overall


Yep that's how I have always figured it out.  I have changed tires sizes on my truck a couple of times.  I went from 17 inch to 18 inch wheels and never had to adjust the speedo because I figured out, using the math above, what size tires would be the same height.  Now when I regeared that's a whole other story.
2/13/2007 2:45:49 PM EDT
[#14]
Ok, maybe I could clarify I think the tire size was 255/70/16 and you could get a 235/75/16 in 2wd.  I know mine were 265/75/16 for a 4wd.  

First number being width in mm, second being ratio of sidewall height to tread width (meaning the sidewall height is X% of the tread width),  third being rim diameter in inches.  Many of the Mercedes I work on have staggered width tires, and a popular size combination is 225/45/17 in front with 245/40/17 in back.  This keeps the tire height nearly identical front and rear.
2/13/2007 2:46:13 PM EDT
[#15]

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Tire size calculator

To change speedo calibration, find someone w/ a hypertech:

www.hypertech-inc.com/gmfeaturechart.html



You can't use someone else's Hypertech or any other brand of programmer.  Once used on on vehicle they are vin locked until you return the vehicle back to stock.  You can't do any kind of tuning or adjusting unless it is the vehicle it is vin locked to.  The only thing they can be used for on numerous vehicles is for diagnostics, reading trouble codes.  
2/13/2007 3:00:13 PM EDT
[#16]

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Tire size calculator

To change speedo calibration, find someone w/ a hypertech:

www.hypertech-inc.com/gmfeaturechart.html



You can't use someone else's Hypertech or any other brand of programmer.  Once used on on vehicle they are vin locked until you return the vehicle back to stock.  You can't do any kind of tuning or adjusting unless it is the vehicle it is vin locked to.  The only thing they can be used for on numerous vehicles is for diagnostics, reading trouble codes.  


Can a mechanic with do this then?
2/13/2007 3:18:52 PM EDT
[#17]
Any service dept or dealer who has the computer equipment should be able to adjust this.  At least as for as I know.
2/13/2007 3:27:17 PM EDT
[#18]

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Metric tires are a ratio of width vs. hight.  Width does effect overall diameter.


I believe you are wrong on that.

The height number is a ratio.  The width is a straight up measurement.

I could be wrong, it's happened before (once).


Right.  So let's assume 255/75/16 and 235/75/16.

255 x 75% = 191.25mm

191.25 x 2 = 382.50mm = 15.091 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 31.091 inches overall


235 x 75% = 176.25mm

176.25 x 2 = 352.5mm = 13.878 inches + 16 inches for the wheel = 29.878 inches overall


Or lets  assume

235 X 75..............

vs

255 X 70...............

The difference is.......................... 2mm
2/13/2007 3:42:35 PM EDT
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Or lets  assume

235 X 75..............

vs

255 X 70...............

The difference is.......................... 2mm


Or it could be a 255/85/16 and it could be 4 inches bigger.

All I am saying is that you just can't make a blanket statement that there is no difference.  

My only point is that there could be a large difference.
2/13/2007 3:48:04 PM EDT
[#20]

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Or lets  assume

235 X 75..............

vs

255 X 70...............

The difference is.......................... 2mm


Or it could be a 255/85/16 and it could be 4 inches bigger.

All I am saying is that you just can't make a blanket statement that there is no difference.  

My only point is that there could be a large difference.


There could be a big difference, or there could be virtually no difference. I believe many car makers set their tires so that multiple configurations all have about the same diameter, so they don't have to adjust the speedo because of the standard wheel/tire combos available.
2/13/2007 6:36:28 PM EDT
[#21]
5.7 or 5.3 liter engine?  There are a number of things you can do to improve milage.  New plugs and wires, cap and rotor, synthetic oil, throttle body spacer, cold air box, cat-back exhaust.  Make sure you have the right thermostat in it.  

My (older) 5.7 Suburban will get anywhere from 17-20 on the highway (depends on weather, road conditions, speed, etc.).  
2/14/2007 2:18:11 AM EDT
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5.7 or 5.3 liter engine?  There are a number of things you can do to improve milage.  New plugs and wires, cap and rotor, synthetic oil, throttle body spacer, cold air box, cat-back exhaust.  Make sure you have the right thermostat in it.  

My (older) 5.7 Suburban will get anywhere from 17-20 on the highway (depends on weather, road conditions, speed, etc.).  


5.3 liter.

I'm averaging about 15.5
2/14/2007 1:57:57 PM EDT
[#23]
My Z-71 with a 5.3 and 3.73 gears had an all time record of driving like a grandma on the highway at 55MPH of exactly 18.01 MPG.  
My Sierra Denali witha 6.0 and 4.10 gears and AWD made that look good at a dismal 16 MPG on the highway.