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Posted: 6/29/2006 6:46:42 AM EDT
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Alright, though you might like this. Certainly good topic for discussion. Found this "notice" posted at the end of a guy's driveway. I work for a local utility so I go on people's property all the time, have to drive down driveway's to inspect the power lines and our equipment. Now I am all for personal liberties, doing what you want to do, when you want to do it. But, only so long as you don't hurt or affect other persons. And of course within reason there are laws in this country and there are there for a reason. Essentially you break them and get caught you will pay for it. Not sure what the story on this is, but this property is in a rural area but the houses are not that far apart, probably each property is a couple acres. Just curious though if the property owner really thinks that this will stop LEO w/ a warrant signed by a judge. I could swear that I saw a tin foil hat hanging by the front door. Of course I did not see this sign till I drove back out the driveway. I guess that I owe him some money. i73.photobucket.com/albums/i239/tholl223/notresp.jpg" border=0> |
This is the law it refers to
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Not saying just because of the sign. But a sign like that would make me interested in what he has to hide. Would look deeper to find a legal reason to get the warrant. |
And you could be charged under title 18 and deserve punishment |
A citizen asserting his rights under the Constitution is not probable cause to investigate him. A citizen has every right to tell the police to vacate their premisis, which the police are legally bound to do if they do not have a legal reason to be there. (Warrant, complaint, etc...) Believe it or not, some sane and normal people don't want .gov people on their land. It is their right as an American citizen to tell government agents to stay off of their property if they so desire. Odds are that nothing illegal is going on, as criminals rarely own property or post such signs. |
| You guys always hate the .gov poking in your business, but half of you have already incriminated this guy and want to see what he's hiding, come up with a fake warrant, etc.... Pay attention to your comments. You want to do the same thing you curse the .gov for everyday...sheesh |
Damn beat me to it +1000 I saw a similar sign on freedomradio.us I might just print some out for my house. |
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you can't hardly do shit based on suspicion and expect to be covered by law...and besides this sign creates no PC to any agency of any kind and therefore you would be infringing on the rights of this property owner. now if you did a stakeout and noticed illegal activity this sign would definately help w/ the prosecution or signing of a warrant |
exactly...criminals....well smart criminals anyhow would not draw attention to themselves. could there be illegal activity going on on this property....possibly....but highly unlikely |
+1 I get tired of the "Well if he has nothing to hide" crowd. Im glad that dudes not a cop. A search warrant for a dang Sign! Sickening hinking.gif |
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What I am most curious about is a question for the legal crowd. Would just the act of posting this sign really deter and/or prevent LEO from entering the property? Assuming probably cause/ warrant? Or if say I cross the property line would I really be liable for $100,000? |
If an officer wanted to speak to the homeowner about something, yes, it would keep the officer out. If, however, the officer has a warrant or another legal reason to be there (911 call, chasing a fleeing felon, etc...) then the signs have no power. All the signs do is tell approaching government agents that they must have a compelling legal reason to set foot on the property.
Probably not. To get that 100 grand he would most likely have to sue, and I doubt a judge would even hear a case if all an officer did was set foot on the guy's land. Some sort of actual harm would have to be proven before a judge would allow a trial and award damages. |
It is called notification, just a no tresspassing sign accomplishes the same thing only this sign simply does a better job of notification. The signs really do work, except fire dept. has refused to enter property so posted, the 20 mile fire in eastern washingon state for example, the property owners with above sign were not told to evacuate the area. |
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Personally I think that sign rocks, if only it had some 'teeth' to protect it's intention. Sadly we all know that the day Uncle Sugar wants in he's going to get in one way or the other. I can understand the sentiment behind the posting of a sign like this, I feel the same way, as should all freedom loving Americans. That's my opinion, as always your may and probably will vary... 
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You can have those signs up all you wish, but if the police figure out that you are running a meth lab from your house and get a warrant, those little signs are useless. |
This sign wouldn't stop anyone who could legally enter his property and it has NO legal validity, it's just " Constitutionalist/Militia " jibberish . Loons who post signs like that are asking for thier electricity and water to be shut off the first time they accost a meter reader etc. We have alot of these type crazies in our parts, most are all talk though and pay thier Income/property taxes and get a drivers license like everyone else when " push comes to shove"... |
That right there's got sigline potential.
Sad I agree, if you tell most people you have an AR15 and they know what it is your classified as a "gun nut"..Its a right not a privledge to own a firearm, and its a right to keep whomever he wants off his property. I guess if I had the ATF or IRS milling around my place I WOULD post such a sign. |
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could be Allodial Title... Allodial title is a concept in some systems of property law. It describes a situation where real property (i.e., land, buildings and fixtures) is owned free and clear of any encumbrances, including liens, mortgages and tax obligations. Allodial title is inalienable, in that it cannot be taken by any operation of law for any reason whatsoever. A treaty between the state and the entity. |
Have you ever considered a career in law enforcement? |
| It's just another NO Tresspassing sign worded to intimidate the less educated and inform govt bodies to stay off his land. It's an effective tool to keep people out but, unless they're breaking into his home, he can't do anything to anyone on his land except call the police and have them deal with them. Good luck trying to collect any land use fees. He probably has nothing to hide and any govt entities have better things to do than to worry about some clown because of a sign. |
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Tell him you called the number on the sign, but a call center worker in Bangalore said it was OK. Then show him your bitchin' CCW badge, swap Delta-SEAL-Ranger-SSDG stories and share a Slim Jim and Mountain Dew. One of us ... one of us ... one of us ... one of us ... |
Really? I suggest that you might have a different perspective if you were ever on the receiving end of "public servants" with an alternate agenda that was contrary to your liberties. My family was harassed by "authorities" for totally unlawful motivations..........we've seen it. You will understand better if you are ever in that situation. Suffice it to say that I DO NOT trust anyone who represents "the authorities". It would take far too long to give you the entire story but my families experience with crooked "authorities" lasted 11 years. I fully appreciate the sign. |
THAT'S RIGHT!! Anyone who strays outside of standard thought has something to hide, right? While we're at it let's look thru your house!.......you're not trying to "hide" anything are you? You'd fully agree to let us search YOUR house because you have nothing to hide......isn't that right? |
Yup. It's all just "tin foil hattery" until it happens to you. Don't think that "minding your own business" will insulate you 100% from the petty tyrants of the world. They may catch you unawares. In my case, someone filed a restraining order against me without cause and with malicious intent. Guilty until proven innocent. To quote a line from a movie, "if it happened to me, it could happen to anybody". |