Do cheap safes provide enough protection? For example the big 64 gun cannon or stack-on safes? They weigh about 800-1000 lbs. is the steel shit? Anyone have any experience?

Here's what acouple of meth heads didi to ours with a pry bar, they DIDN'T get in
Liberty safe's

Liberty safes are a lot better then the ones I asked about? Am I correct?

Depends on what other security measures you have in place.  My safe is a $500 sentry.  Cheap and no where near the level of security that a Sturdy would provide.  But, it is tucked away in a closet and covered by security cams and an alarm. No one can get into the closet it is in without tripping a motion sensor or two window sensors.  If they knew where it was they could cut through an exterior wall I guess but they would be recorded..... Reminds me, I need to pick up another notion sensor.

fire safe bolted to the floor/wall beats the hell out of a glass display case.

 






 

A cheap safe is better than no safe.

Buy the biggest and best safe that you can, then be sure to bolt it down.

you may want to change the title, i thought this thread was about bulk rubbers

Just remember that you get what you pay for.  My safe was about $2k and it was a good deal.  I did a shit ton of research on it. All I can say is I sure as hell hope that I don't forget the combo....  OP, check the safe section here in the forums.  You find some great info there.

+1

Bolt it to the wall studs or floor makes it much tougher to get into.   Much easier to get into when you can tip it over on its side.   With it on the floor you can then hang your body weight off the prybar.

rule number 1 .....start here

Just my .02, but I think there is a minimum level of safe that when properly located and bolted down, will resist pry bar attempts of casual thieves.  So if you can install the safe in a corner, and bolt it down properly, that right there is going to get you to a certain level of minimum protection.  Good enough for smash and grab type guys that break into your house looking for simple stuff to steal.  Good enough for the big guy with a crowbar or even a sledge.  

In my own little world, I think this is sufficient when you have enough insurance coverage and the contents of the safe can be replaced with just money... meaning you have no irreplaceable family hand me downs or whatever.  This gets you past casual thieves, and has a good chance of protecting the contents from a non-total loss type of fire that would be typical in a city or relatively near a fire department one way or another.  Sort of goes without saying but this also assumes you don't put the safe somewhere (like a garage) where a vehicle and a tow strap can be used to dislodge the whole thing and pack it up as a go box.  Takes your odds of losing the contents down to a very low level, and lets insurance worry about it if you are the very rare exception.

I think this level of practical protection covers 99% of what is necessary for an average guy.

Depends on where you put it.

Mine is bolted to the floor in the back of my closet, it just barely fit in there after I removed the drywall from one side.

There is zero leverage points and pretty damn hard to pull straight out with all the shit I have in there plus the bolts into the floor. It would take a ton of effort, like a few hours worth just to get into it I think.

If the same safe was out in the open I bet within 15 minutes a couple of guys with pry bars could tip it over and breach the door.

With the right tools and time any safe can be broken open.

Any safe, not locker, will work against a smash and grab crime.

Somebody that brings the right tools, not so much.


ETA. The best way into a safe is to cut into the side.

what is a casual thief, do they shop @ 7/11

Hey..

I remember a guy with a big mouth (look wat I got) then one day some guys broke into the house, backed a wrecker up to the outside wall cut some holes, sent the cables in, tightened it down & drove off pulling the safe through the wall
so much for show & tell

And what if you can  bolt it down?

We have a safe forum under the Armory button...

Thats not impressive at all. So meth heads with a prybar caused the bolts to be that fucked up?

Thats what happens when you use sheetmetal to support one side of the bolts.......


Cocked bolts act as a ramp and force the frame open. Straight bolts stay in shear loading and are almost impossible to pull.

OP

-Buy a cheep safe and load it with bricks or put your ammo in it.

-Hide all firearms in boxes in the attic labeled Xmas decorations.

-Thieves will spend all their time on the safe.

-??????

-profit

Sturdy, amsec, liberty, fort knox, or above.  

They can still all be cut or torched.