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Posted: 9/30/2004 5:41:51 AM EST
The DU gang is about to shoot thier collective wads over the soon to be released "Motorcycle Diaries" The story of a young Che Guevara riding his way throughout South America. Yes, you'll laugh, you'll cry, but most of all you'll fall in love with Che.

I was "into" Che as a teenager, thank God I out grew such childish things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2430470&mesg_id=2430470&page=


Any Che fans here?

Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:49:07 AM EST
I wonder, once the Che Guevara fad is no longer 'hip' to young leftists, will they graduate to Stalin? Or is he not cool enough?

Uncle Joe gets no respect, I tellya.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:50:04 AM EST
I can't wait for my new Waffen SS Jeans!

They're a GAS!!!
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:52:19 AM EST
Next time you see someone wearing a "Che" shirt ask them if they know who that is a portrayal of. They might know. Next, ask them what he did, they probably wont know. Then, just for fun, find out if they are communist and then smack them in the head.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:53:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 5:54:56 AM EST by Dolomite]
"Che Crazy"? That's what happens when you publicly execute politicos - they don't really die.

Liked Motorcycle Diaries.

It was a funny read (like the story where he shot the "puma").

That's about it. He's just a t-shirt now.

Wonder if the movie will portray him as the gun nut he really was?
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 5:57:19 AM EST
we had a dummy here who had che as his avatar for awhile, he said che was one of his heroes
he didn't stay around very long, i dunno why
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:07:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
we had a dummy here who had che as his avatar for awhile, he said che was one of his heroes
he didn't stay around very long, i dunno why



AFAIR, he wasn't pro Che, but respected him for sticking to his ideals and fight for them.
Kind of respecting the enemy so to speak.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:18:11 AM EST
Here's an interesting little story about "Che" t-shirts.....

CHE GUEVARA INFO
All Che tshirts, posters, buttons, and mugs are temporarily unavailable. We hope to resolve this issue and have Che merchandise soon. Thanks for your patience.

www.northernsun.com/cgi-bin/ns/che.html?id=LKQaZJDR


The following article appeared in the August 19th, 2004 issue of the Minneapolis Star Tribune newpaper. Doug Grow writes about people and events in the metro area of Minneapolis/St Paul.

Doug Grow: Che's image takes a twist
Doug Grow, Star Tribune
A photograph of Cuban revolutionary Che Guevara that long has been a symbol for the socialistic left is becoming a sign of American corporate power.
Scott Cramer, owner of a mail-order business on E. Lake Street in Minneapolis, Northern Sun Merchandising, got the stunning news Monday when he was told by an Atlanta company that he must immediately stop selling his line of Che T-shirts, mugs and posters.
The company informed Cramer that it has owned exclusive rights to this famous Guevara image in North America for two years.
"I was told that if I wanted to continue to sell T-shirts, I would have to order from them," Cramer said.
After getting over the shock that a single company may own the famous image of a revolutionary icon, Cramer was in for another shock.
He asked the owner of the other company where their Che T-shirts are produced.
"Honduras," was the answer.
This is called piling irony on top of irony.
Guevara is seen as a symbol of power of the people. Most progressives believe Honduras is home to vile sweatshops where workers have no rights to organize and are paid a pittance.
"I told them that if I buy T-shirts made in Honduras, my customers are going to be very unhappy," Cramer said. "I said if I would make a big enough order, could they have them made in the U.S.? They said, 'No.' "
Cramer said he'd have to think about his options.
He then received an e-mail from the head of the other company, outlining what the Atlanta company believes Cramer's bleak options are.
If Cramer doesn't order Che T-shirts from the other company, this other company threatens to sue Cramer. It will go after his current stock of shirts, damages, legal fees and the profits Northern Sun Merchandising has made on Che shirts since Aug. 15, 2002, which is when this other company says it got rights to the famous image.
Cramer said all of this could cost him "thousands of dollars."
Efforts to reach executives at the other company were unsuccessful.
How could an internationally famous photo end up in the hands of an outfit that appears to profit from sweatshop labor?
The short answer: the other company bought rights to the photo from the estate of Cuban news photographer Alberto Korda, who took the photo in 1960.
Go back to the roots of the picture, which Korda called "The Heroic Revolutionary." Korda, a professional photographer and a revolutionary insider, took the photo when Guevara was at a funeral in Havana. The photo was not used by the newspaper Korda worked for at the time. Instead, wise editors opted to use photos of Fidel Castro.
In 1967, Korda gave a print of the Che photo to an Italian friend. When Guevara was killed -- pick your conspiracy theory -- a year later, the Italian started distributing the photo.
It was a huge hit, particularly among college students and radicals. It began showing up on millions of T-shirts and posters all over the world.
Though Korda owned the rights to the photo, he never was bothered by its international use -- until Smirnoff vodka decided to use the image in one of its ads.
Korda, who never made a penny from the photo, was furious. He took Smirnoff to court in London and reached a settlement in which he was awarded $50,000. He used the money for medicine for Cuban children.
"If Che was still alive, he would have done the same," Korda was quoted as saying following the settlement in 2000.
With Smirnoff out of the picture, everything was back to normal. Companies such as Northern Sun continued using the image on T-shirts and other items with no objection from Korda, who said he would protest use of the photo only when it "dishonored" Che's memory.
"I am not averse to its reproduction by those who wish to propagate his memory and the cause of social justice throughout the world," he said.
Korda died in 2001.
Northern Sun has been in existence for 25 years, selling items that appeal to progressives, both at the counter, via catalog and the Internet.
"For the last few years, anti-Bush stuff has been the best," Cramer said of his product line. "George Bush has been very good for us. We're looking for a substantial drop in business after Nov. 2."
T-shirts with such messages as "Well Behaved Women Seldom Make History" and "If You're Not Outraged You're Not Paying Attention" supply steady business.
For more than 20 years, however, there's been nothing so steadily popular as T-shirts with the Che image.
Cramer wants to continue making the shirts available to his customers. But that means figuring out a way to work with this other company. (One option: Buy the T-shirts from the other company, but warn customers they're being produced by Honduran workers.)
But oh, the complexities of revolution.
Now the Heroic Revolutionary is in the hands of a company that uses slogans like this one: "New and improved, that's what we're about, baby."
Hmmm, if you think hard about it, maybe that's kind of Che-ish in a 21st century sort of way.

Doug Grow is at dgrow@startribune.com
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:18:30 AM EST
A friend of mine visiting Cuba....



He came back mighty disgusted on how Castro made the people live there...
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:22:59 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 6:23:39 AM EST by raven]
Maybe next Pol Pot or Mao will be the next glamourous totalitarian whose life story we can romanticize. Just focus on their youth, foget everything they did once they seized power and implemented their "vision" for humanity.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 6:47:33 AM EST

...selling items that appeal to progressives...


Good old Doug Grow, he's one of the most liberal communists working for the Red Star Tribune. He uses that new doubleplus unspeak as easily as any of them. Remember "progressive" is the new term for "ultraleft wing communist." It goes right along with the "undocumented worker" terminology instead of the correct term, "illegal alien."

It's pretty hard to find any sympathy for that CAPITALIST store owner profiting from his sales of COMMUNIST merchandise to poor little rich liberal kids living in Uptown.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 7:33:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Maybe next Pol Pot or Mao will be the next glamourous totalitarian whose life story we can romanticize. Just focus on their youth, foget everything they did once they seized power and implemented their "vision" for humanity.




Link Posted: 9/30/2004 8:10:16 AM EST
Good!

I'm quite happy that my enemies have chosen for their symbol a man who couldn't fight his way out of a Thai whorehouse.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 8:15:03 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 8:20:48 AM EST
i love the dumbfucks who wear t-shirts with che on them yet they have no idea who he is.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 8:45:24 AM EST
What's next...."the lives and loves of Pol Pot."

No, that's right. Pol Pot didn't have the movie star looks and panache that Che did. As such he won't appeal to the fairer sex.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 8:57:40 AM EST
I caught a brief glimpse of a Che shirt on a commercial for Burlington Coat Factory, if I am not mistaken. Commercial was aimed at the young school kids.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 1:04:55 PM EST
Look up a gentleman by the name of Humberto Fontova. He "tells it like it is".
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 1:35:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 1:46:51 PM EST by urbankaos04]
I have a book and shirt with Che on it! That must be twice as bad.

But, seriously, at first I did see Che as being a type of "freedom fighter" for the people of Cuba and Latin America. I don't care what anyone says, but I thought that was pretty noble cause. BUT, now that I see how things work, his attempts to give power and atuonomy to the people and to give these countries control of their natural resources would never work, becaus a lot of these countries just don't have the technology to exploit their own resources. So, where does that leave those countries? Well, they become prime targets for exploitation by the big corporations in order to cut costs. And that's just the way things are. Someone HAS to be on the bottom. I mean, I don't think things would work as well if all countries were as powerful as the U.S. If that were true, how much would all the neat stuff that you and I want to purchase cost? If there wasn't cheap labor, like what can be found in third world countries, I don't think we could afford half the stuff we buy, right?

Wait a minute, let me back up and get back on track with Che. Che was so bent on sticking to his "ideals" that he totally forgot about the people. He was like a machine in HIS work ethic and dedication. But most people can't be that way. People want to be individuals and some people just want to have a lot of stuff. But that wouldn't quite work in Che's world, would it? In his world, you have to sacrifice yourself for the good of the group, at least that's what I got out of it.

So, no, I don't agree with ALL of the crap that Che stood for; however, I still like the idea of helping those people that are oppressed or in giving certain countries more control over their own resources so that the people can help themselves.



Link Posted: 9/30/2004 1:44:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 1:51:34 PM EST
eh, lefties at college LOVE this shit... they eat it up.


Quite frankly tho, i don't see many being upset about where the shirts are actually made. They love the image, but hate following through with it.

Kind of like being a vegan but drinking milk because its the only thing in the fridge.


Pfffft. Wankers.


- BG
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 2:17:29 PM EST
My fav picture of Che:

Link Posted: 9/30/2004 2:23:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 3:33:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By loam:
Look up a gentleman by the name of Humberto Fontova. He "tells it like it is".

Here's the Link
Humberto Fontova Story

Needless to say, the DUmmy's don't believe it.
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 3:54:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/30/2004 4:03:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/30/2004 4:17:01 PM EST by captainpooby]
My new shirt.....Chew!





Separated at birth?


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