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Posted: 7/24/2017 1:38:30 PM EDT




I don't normally curse, but FUCK the judges in the UK that prevented them from seeking the treatment they wanted for their son.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:43:26 PM EDT
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Socialized medicine for the win.  Many on arfcom want this.

Very, very sad.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:44:17 PM EDT
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Absolutely heartbreaking.  Poor kiddo.  
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:46:56 PM EDT
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Very, very sad.
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FPNI yet again.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:48:00 PM EDT
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But Great Ormond Street Hospital had said the experimental therapy would not help. Doctors said his life support treatment should be replaced with palliative care so Charlie could "die with dignity".

from an article about little Charlie.  The left says death panels don't exist.  Fucking liars.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:48:09 PM EDT
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We can thank socialized medicine and liberalism for this, do liberals hate children this bad?

I just cant believe they will let that little boy die.

Fuck you, god damn liberals fuck you!
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:48:34 PM EDT
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It really is.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:50:01 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:50:30 PM EDT
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Blood on their hands, including their legal system.  Don't know what the laws are there, but I hope the lawsuits start flying.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:52:02 PM EDT
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If he was a puppy the Brit authorities would have flown him here on their taxpayer's dime no doubt. Socialism isnt just stupid, its deadly.

People say socialists are just commies who havent picked up their AK yet. That may be true, but socialism kills in far more ways than bullets.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:52:20 PM EDT
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God damn.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:52:27 PM EDT
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I honestly think that would be one of those raise the black flag moments for me.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:52:51 PM EDT
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Almost ever one of our British members threw their full support behind the "authorities" rather than the parents.




Orwell knew what he was talking about.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:54:33 PM EDT
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The courts and the doctors "ran out the clock", and then said "oh, so sad".

And for those who think doctors in these situations always know better than the parents, read this:

Parker Jensen is Cancer-Free 10 Years Later
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:55:30 PM EDT
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That sucks
Can you imagine a "human rights tribunal" telling you that you weren't allowed to treat your kid?
Fucking brutal
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:56:05 PM EDT
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How do you think the lawsuit will go before the same judges that created the situation to begin with?

Can you sue a judge?

They already brought the matter before the courts...its how it even got to this point.

Thats what is so dangerous about socialism. There is no getting out of it without either leaving your country, or warfare to take it back.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:56:43 PM EDT
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This is what happens when govt controls health care. This is what many here are enthusiastically rooting for in his country.

It will happen soon here and the republicants will let it happen.

Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:57:31 PM EDT
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Only White Children,
if his name was "Akeem" or "Muhammad" & he had come from some African or Mid East Shithole they would have "Spared no expense" to save him, probably had celebrity's raising funds for him & his family
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 1:57:32 PM EDT
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The courts and the doctors "ran out the clock", and then said "oh, so sad".

And for those who think doctors in these situations always know better than the parents, read this:

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Exactly as I predicted.

The Brits who post here wholeheartedly supported  their system over the child's own  parents  in the Charlie Gard case.

Disgusting really.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:01:52 PM EDT
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if his name was "Akeem" or "Muhammad" had come from some African or Mid East Shithole they would have "Spared no expense" to save him, probably had celebrity's raising funds for him & his family
What's particularly disturbing, is that the kids own parents raised private funding for their child's medical  treatment and President Trump offered to transport the kid to the US for treatment on his own dime.

"The Authorities" beat down Charlie Gard's parents anyway because "the nail that sticks up must be hammered down."
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:04:00 PM EDT
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Sad.

No one had any right to decide Charlies treatment/fate except his parents.  
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:06:39 PM EDT
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Probably true. They would not have risked being accused of racism.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:08:12 PM EDT
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Sad.

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Not according to our British posters.

Lest anyone tries to weasel:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2009737_Trump-offers-help-for-little-Charlie-Gard-ordered-to-be-pulled-off-life-support-by-UK-judge.html&page=3
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:08:43 PM EDT
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Very sad indeed, that in this day and age, parents can't choose a path for their own child in terms of health care. Having said that, the other unfortunate thing about this "case" is that while it should serve as a lesson for others, it will fall on deaf ears, this is what socialism is and what the dummies in those countries that have adopted that crap wanted, these are the consequences.

May that poor boy eventually rest in peace.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:13:20 PM EDT
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so if they started treatments right away, he'd have some change of being much better off?  Man, what a mind job to know that now.  Poor soul.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:13:44 PM EDT
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Absolutely heartbreaking.  Poor kiddo.  
It really is.
News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:14:24 PM EDT
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I'm sure this was always part of the NHS/Doctor's legal strategy. Delay long enough and they'd end up being right anyway.

Lawyers, doctors, and government workers: three groups of people that would rather see you die than possibly be wrong.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:14:25 PM EDT
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Exactly as I predicted.

The Brits who post here wholeheartedly supported  their system over the child's own  parents  in the Charlie Gard case.

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Europe has an ethos that includes "submit to authority for your own good." This naturally leads to a transfer of personal responsibility to the state.

When I lived in England I was listening to their version of talk radio and learned the Parliament was considering a very high penalty tax on foods higher than a certain percentage of fat content, like ice dream etc. They said it was necessary to reduce the strain poor food choices were putting on the ailing national health system. I thought, man people are going to be pissed...NOPE. Every caller that called in was all in favor of it, thought it woukd help make them less fat

They are different. Half of this country wants you to think like that too. Not a good situation.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:15:31 PM EDT
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I'm not saying I agree. What I'm saying is I would understand.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:16:45 PM EDT
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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There's only one group out of those three that should have made the decision.
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Well, that's the rub? Who decides what the path should be? Parents or the government. Of course, Charlie's court appointed lawyer for "his interests" was a euthanasia advocate. So I'm sure that lawyers definition of "happy ending" was obviously different than the parents.

Of course, so many of the European elite class don't have kids. I'm sure that has something to do with it to.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:20:15 PM EDT
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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It must be burdensome having to play the role of government apologist in every conceivable situation.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:23:29 PM EDT
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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If there was a treatment that had a 10% chance of saving your life, would you take it?

If there was a 10% chance to save your child, would you take it?

If you answered "no" to either question then you are beyond help.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:29:32 PM EDT
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More manufactured outrage from the Breitbart-sucklers. Treatment wouldn't have likely helped much in the best case scenario and he was never going to be a normal kid.

But "muh NHS death panulz", right guys?
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:32:17 PM EDT
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The government gives.
The government takes.

People are happy to get their checks every month.
People are happy to get free healthcare.
People don't want government spending to be cut.
People are afraid of the government not providing a safety net.

This is not the government's fault. This is the people's fault. They have let government grow and become more powerful. The government is involved in every action you do. Everything.

Sad story. But the people are guilty of this. Not the government. The government is a reflection of the society it claims to represent.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:38:49 PM EDT
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If there was a treatment that had a 10% chance of saving your life, would you take it?

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In his world, it isn't up to him to make that decision.  The doctors and courts get to make it so that he doesn't have to.  

If you tell me the only thing you could do for my son is let him die, and someone else says they've got a longshot experimental treatment that has a 0.01% chance of helping, the only thing I expect to hear from your mouth is how quickly we can go about getting him transferred.  Otherwise, your services are no longer required.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:39:53 PM EDT
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When Government Pays the Bills

Government Makes the Rules
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:40:44 PM EDT
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If you answered "no" to either question then you are beyond help.
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
If there was a treatment that had a 10% chance of saving your life, would you take it?

If there was a 10% chance to save your child, would you take it?

If you answered "no" to either question then you are beyond help.
The answer would naturally be yes.

However, in this case the treatment wasn't going to save his life, as I made clear above.

It was thought the it MIGHT provide some TEMPORARY relief from the damage being caused by his condition.

On further investigation it was found that it would have no benefit whatsoever.

Every opportunity was explored.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:43:10 PM EDT
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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10%, eh?

I'd move heaven and earth to give my sick kid that chance. 

Interesting that some folks can use base numbers to assess the worthiness of a life for their kith and kin.  

I guess the delays caused by bullshit administrators and politicians stepping in had nothing to do with the outcome.

Move along, nothing to see here...

For those of you in the U.K., you're going to have an interesting time in the decades to come. I will lay money down that some of you that are reading this, that are in the U.K. and subjects, will eventually have your life terminated, not by your choice, or your families choice, but by the choice of someone that looks at nothing more than the monetary cost. And whether or not they can keep that cost down for the quarter, and therefore earn a bonus for efficiency.

Reap what you sow, and so goes the world.
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Government doesn't pay the bills.  

The family had £1.3 million at their disposal.

This wasn't a question of money.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:46:17 PM EDT
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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From the very beginning, the only decision on what to do should have been made by his parents.  Not the doctors, not the hospital...the parents.
Link Posted: 7/24/2017 2:47:35 PM EDT
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... the whole world would be so much better off if governments would just back away from regulating our lives
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In his world, it isn't up to him to make that decision.  The doctors and courts get to make it so that he doesn't have to.  

If you tell me the only thing you could do for my son is let him die, and someone else says they've got a longshot experimental treatment that has a 0.01% chance of helping, the only thing I expect to hear from your mouth is how quickly we can go about getting him transferred.  Otherwise, your services are no longer required.
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In "his" Orwellian world,  the parents were removed from the decision making process and an "anonymous guardian" was appointed by the court as part of  reassigning  parental authority to "the system."
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More manufactured outrage from the Breitbart-sucklers. Treatment wouldn't have likely helped much in the best case scenario and he was never going to be a normal kid.

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I wouldn't want my money being spent on him. I would take your money to save my kid though. See how that works....
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From the very beginning, the only decision on what to do should have been made by his parents.  Not the doctors, not the hospital...the parents.
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Actaully, the mother. Father has no power, in America anyways.

Women can give children up for adoption and men can't stop it.
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
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Fine...Then the courts should get the fuck out of the way and let the parents pursue the medical treatment they desire at their own expense.

This was truly a crime.  Delay until it was too late for any hope and then just shrug and say "Oh well."?

Good God what a poor reflection on civilized nations.

Normally I am on board with your posts and would love to share a beer or three but on this one we are in way different camps.

May God take and keep that child and may those who condemned him for no justifiable reason suffer for their arrogance.
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
From the very beginning, the only decision on what to do should have been made by his parents.  Not the doctors, not the hospital...the parents.
And if they had he would probably be dead now.

You'd then be complaining that the parents were wrong for not listening to the doctors.

All of them had the best interests of Charlie at the very heart of everything they did.  They were left with a shitty range of options, all with the same eventual outcome, and they disagreed on which shitty option was best.
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Bore off, you hyperbolic nincompoop.
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And if they had he would probably be dead now.

You'd then be complaining that the parents were wrong for not listening to the doctors.

All of them had the best interests of Charlie at the very heart of everything they did.  They were left with a shitty range of options, all with the same eventual outcome, and they disagreed on which shitty option was best.
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News came through early this afternoon, about 5 hours ago.  It's been a story that has captured the attention of millions, and it is truly heartbreaking.

For those getting angry, the hospital has done everything it could including consulting people from around the world.  This is no death panel or whatever other hyperbolic load of nonsense being spouted.   It was a very difficult and traumatic choice between a rock and a hard place with no wining outcome.

The parents and the medical teams looking after him are all fighting their very hardest for him under very difficult circumstances. As his condition became clearer they believed that different paths should be taken, quite understandably from both perspectives.

Everybody wanted to see a happy ending for this, but it was never going to happen.  Even with the most experimental treatment there was apparently only a 10% chance at best that perhaps some of the damage caused by his condition might be temporarily slowed or eased, and even then it would offer no improvement in prognosis.

Not a single Doctor or medical practitioner has said that the outcome would be any different.  The parents, medical staff and courts have explored every possibility known to them at each stage.  
From the very beginning, the only decision on what to do should have been made by his parents.  Not the doctors, not the hospital...the parents.
And if they had he would probably be dead now.

You'd then be complaining that the parents were wrong for not listening to the doctors.

All of them had the best interests of Charlie at the very heart of everything they did.  They were left with a shitty range of options, all with the same eventual outcome, and they disagreed on which shitty option was best.
Actually, no.  It was their decision to make. If they were wrong, then so be it. They chose...not someone else.
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That sucks
Can you imagine a "human rights tribunal" telling you that you weren't allowed to treat your kid?
Fucking brutal
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The world is a tough place.

Life is hard.
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