[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Cartel Gunman Shootout in Arizona (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 12/18/2023 11:44:29 PM EDT
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Did we do this one yet? Cartel gunman had a hostage. Had a full auto HK UMP. Pretty crazy.  GRAPHIC: Video shows deadly shootout between Scottsdale PD, suspect |
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Quoted: Another reason why not to buy any modern Sig products. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Look like they were using Sig rifles…. Definitely MCX rifles. Another reason why not to buy any modern Sig products. I had an MCX patrol I got in 2015 sold it this year. It was a solid rifle. I never had an issue. Seems like they were shooting 300blk. It sounded quiet and not a ton of blast like an SBR 5.56 even with a can. |
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Quoted: Who else is rolling around with a Full Auto UMP? While holding a grown latino man hostage? Odds are pretty good the UMP is stolen. Lots of latinos in Arizona... if you're kidnapping someone in Arizona it's a 33% chance they'll be latino and given the victim's command of English, he's probably just an Arizonan who got caught up in some drug shit. |
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Quoted: Odds are pretty good the UMP is stolen. Lots of latinos in Arizona... if you're kidnapping someone in Arizona it's a 33% chance they'll be latino and given the victim's command of English, he's probably just an Arizonan who got caught up in some drug shit. Stolen from who exactly? They aren't NFA guns. Their earliest manufacture is 1999. |
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That is fucking unreal. I was just down there recently. That is rough, glad the officers are safe and the perp took some damage. The vest, was that a LVL 4? |
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Quoted: Stolen from who exactly? They aren't NFA guns. Their earliest manufacture is 1999. Quoted: Quoted: Odds are pretty good the UMP is stolen. Lots of latinos in Arizona... if you're kidnapping someone in Arizona it's a 33% chance they'll be latino and given the victim's command of English, he's probably just an Arizonan who got caught up in some drug shit. Stolen from who exactly? They aren't NFA guns. Their earliest manufacture is 1999. Could it be a converted semi ? |
Lemme check him… pop.  They just kept on.Saw an odd floor plate pull thing on one of the rifle mags. Like it wanted to be an AUG mag. Wonder if they have some budget issues or restrictions on equipment. Maybe they’re desk jockeys mostly and swat guys would’ve been better prepared? I have no idea. Seems like they at the very least need some range time to shake down their weapon function. All my home bubba’d PSA rifles run much better than their stuff from what I could tell. At least they got in there and did what was needed quickly and bravely. Good job. |
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Quoted: Not finished watching yet... But both Det. 1& 2 had malfunctions with their MCXs right away.  Was at a week long instructor course and a couple of the guys had suppressed MCX. One went down hard. Dude laughed it off because he rarely cleaned it because it was a "piston gun". It worked after he cleaned it.
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Quoted: Damn! I thought my son lives in a quiet area (Scottsdale.)  That didn’t happen in Scottsdale. It was Scottsdale detectives but it was in Mesa. It was a follow up to a previous robbery. If you do a quick open source search you can learn that there was another criminal suspect on scene named Wyatt Edge (from Texas), and an alleged kidnap victim. Any cartel affiliation is a wild ass guess. |
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Quoted: They are sigs. LE would be better served with real rifles. Better let the unit know they didn't select "real rifles". Attached File |
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Quoted: Stolen from who exactly? They aren't NFA guns. Their earliest manufacture is 1999. Agreed. That fucking gun was not stolen, at least not in the US. It came from Mexico, and given the added firepower the now deceased had in the vehicle, I would guess he was an emissary from a cartel. |
| The real cartels don't do much work this side of the border. Some of their lower level goons might, but those are independent contractors. The real cartel members know that they don't want that type of attention. They don't want the US to really take an interest. |
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Quoted: The real cartels don't do much work this side of the border. Some of their lower level goons might, but those are independent contractors. The real cartel members know that they don't want that type of attention. They don't want the US to really take an interest. They let the gangs do the work, for most things. They will still partake when needed. The cops and the rifles though.... what the heck is going on! Guys have good guns and WAY too many problems. 2 malfunctions at once says there are issues. |