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More Californians are moving from the Golden State, particularly lower-income residents, although even middle-class residents are saying goodbye.

The trend is a symptom of the state's housing crunch and, for some, high taxes.
Census Bureau data show California lost just over 138,000 people to domestic migration in the 12 months ended in July 2017.

Lower-cost states such as Arizona, Texas and Nevada are popular destinations for relocating Californians.

Californians may still love the beautiful weather and beaches, but more and more they are fed up with the high housing costs and taxes and deciding to flee to lower-cost states such as Nevada, Arizona and Texas.

"There's nowhere in the United States that you can find better weather than here," said Dave Senser, who lives on a fixed income near San Luis Obispo, California, and now plans to move to Las Vegas. "Rents here are crazy, if you can find a place, and they're going to tax us to death. That's what it feels like. At least in Nevada they don't have a state income tax. And every little bit helps."

Senser, 65, who previously lived in the east San Francisco Bay region, said housing costs and gas prices are "significantly lower in Las Vegas. The government in the state of California isn't helping people like myself. That's why people are running out of this state now."

Housing problem
Based on the U.S. Census Bureau's American Community Survey data, "lower income Californians are the ones who are leaving, not higher income," said Christopher Thornberg, founding partner of research and consulting firm Beacon Economics in Los Angeles.

He said housing is the chief reason people are leaving California, pointing out there are frequently bidding wars for what limited inventory of homes is available.

A USC Dornsife/Los Angeles Times Poll of Californians last fall found that the high cost of living, including housing, was the most important issue facing the state. It also found more than half of Californians wanted to repeal the state's new gas tax, which raised fees by 40 percent.

"The rate at which California has been losing people to other states has accelerated in the past couple of years, in part because of rising housing costs," said Jed Kolko, chief economist with employment website Indeed.com.

Outbound migration
He said the latest Census Bureau data, from July 2016 to July 2017, show "more people moved out of California to other states than moved in from other states. In other words, California lost people due to domestic migration."

During that 12-month period, California saw a net loss of just over 138,000 people, while Texas had a net increase of more than 79,000 people. Arizona gained more than 63,000 residents, and Nevada gained more than 38,000.

"You can literally have a lot of buying power for the dollar in Southern Nevada versus Southern California," said Christopher Bishop, president of the Greater Las Vegas Association of Realtors. "So it has been a major trend over the year, year and a half, and we're seeing it increase."

Bishop said some people who work for Silicon Valley companies are even working remotely from home in Las Vegas to avoid the higher housing costs in California. But he added, "Most of the people are here because of our growing job market and industries in Las Vegas — and it's not all about casinos anymore."

Data from United Van Lines show some of the most popular moving destinations for Californians from 2015 to 2017 were Texas, Arizona, Oregon, Washington and Colorado. Other experts also said Nevada remains a top destination.

Regardless, some people still want to move to California but are finding it tough to do so because of the high cost of housing.

Trying to return
Michelle Lynn Ostroff, who left the Los Angeles area in 2013, now lives outside Cleveland, Ohio, with her daughter and wants to return to California to be closer to her friends and family. But she's been discouraged from returning so far due to monthly rental prices.

"I'm finding it very hard to make that happen, as finding a place that's affordable is tough," said Ostroff. The L.A. area "is definitely more than two times the amount of rent that I pay."

Indeed, California has five of the top 10 most expensive rental markets nationwide, according to industry tracker Zumper.

San Francisco ranks as the nation's most expensive rental market, followed by New York, according to Zumper's top 10 list. San Jose comes in third place, and Los Angeles in sixth place. Oakland and San Diego also made the top 10.

"For a lot of people, renting is the only option they have because it's tough to afford a house here," said Steve Feldman, a Keller Williams real estate agent in the L.A./San Fernando Valley region.

Expensive rents
The median monthly rent for a one-bedroom apartment in the Los Angeles area is $2,249, and in San Francisco it's almost $3,400, according to Zumper. The median rent for a two-bedroom apartment in the Los Angeles area is $3,200 and in San Francisco about $4,500. By comparison, the median rent for a one-bedroom in Las Vegas is $925 and in Phoenix $945, and for a two-bedroom in Las Vegas $1,122 and in Phoenix $1,137.

"High housing costs are a challenge for employers, who need to offer workers enough so they can afford to live here," said Kolko. "Despite this, California is still hiring, and job growth was strong over the past year."

California's $550,990 median price statewide for an existing single-family home compares with the national median price of $247,800, according to the National Association of Realtors and its state association.

"People who have owned their house for quite a while can cash out with quite a nice bit of money in their hands,' said Feldman. "They can go to another state and buy a house for a fraction of what they have here and tuck away a lot of money and retire, work or bring their cost of living and overhead down."

Middle class leaving
Internal Revenue Service data would appear to show that the middle-class and middle-age residents are the ones leaving, according to Joel Kotkin, a presidential fellow in Urban Futures at Chapman University in Orange, California.

"We know the actual net migration out of California has been growing," said Kotkin.

Furthermore, Kotkin believes the outmigration from California may start to rise among higher-income people, given that the GOP's federal tax overhaul will result in certain California taxpayers losing from the state and local tax deduction cap. "They are the ones who will tend to have the high property taxes and rely on writing it off," he said.

California is often criticized as one of the highest-taxed states in the nation.

Last year, Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, signed a 12-cent-per-gallon increase in the state's excise tax on gasoline, bringing the tax to 41.7 cents per gallon, or a 40 percent jump. Drivers in California already pay the highest average for gasoline after Hawaii.

'Highest taxes in USA'
Even Republican California Rep. Devin Nunes took a swipe at his state last week in a tweet, calling it out for the "highest taxes in USA that make it hard for people to afford to live there."

H.D. Palmer, a finance spokesman for California's governor, said "it's correct that our top marginal personal income tax rate is highest — 12.3 percent, not including the 1 percent surcharge for millionaires under Prop 63 (to fund mental health services)." However, he said "looking solely at those rates alone provides an incomplete picture."

Palmer said when including tax collections per $100 of personal income, though, California ranks number 10 nationwide, based on 2015 state and local revenue data tracked by the Federation of Tax Administrators. Minnesota, New York, New Jersey and North Dakota all come in higher in terms of tax burdens.

Stay away from Texas.  We do not want your fucked up, liberal, West Coast ways here.

Newly published article about the exact same topic as has been discussed, and posted, over and over for quite some time.

This isn't new.

A.W.D.

FPNI.

And they are too stupid to realize their voting habits are the culprit so they will pull the D lever and ruin another state.

Lol, this. Its at least a weekly thing. "Ohtehnoes11!!111BBQOMG, teh Kalifonians are taking muh state!!1111

I keep waiting for someone to post what they intend to do about it , but its nothing but bitching, you know, like what Californians have done for decades but were told to move or shut up.

Do you remember when republicans were in charge in California and millions of Americans migrated there?   Knotts Berry Farm remembers.

Then they'll blame the republicans for being stupid bigots, and move to another state to turn into a #shithole.

You don't say.......

Please don't move here

I am seeing more and more Cali plates here - Austin - than before.  Reminds me of growing up in Houston when the Rust Belt collapsed in the 80’s and every fourth plate was from out of state.  Texas is fucked.

Hopefully all the ones leaving are ultra liberal.

For everyone thinking that all of Californians are leftist, liberal, commie-voting morons, keep in mind that there are more conservatives in CA than all of the surrounding States combined.  CA population is 39.54 million people.

Their votes are simply gerrymandered into not being counted in General Presidential elections, while State and municipal government has been run by organized crime since the end of the Gold Rush of the mid 1800s.

I bet more then 138,000 people from Mexico and central/south America backfilled those empty spaces in that timeframe.
Not to mention probably close to a million "anchor" births.

The productive are leaving and being replaced by the dependent. Good for votes and to be held up as "we need to help these people" and not much else.

This is what I'm afraid of...

Move any place other than Kansas. All these right wing conservatives make the state virtually unlivable.

Liberal Californian's are a cancer. I deal with those cock suckers everyday in the Bay Area and they make me ill.

That is a good portion of why CA is what it is today.
Inflow from other states.
In the 1980s California saw a huge rush of migration from other states, mostly the northeast.
We moved here from NY in the late 80s, most of our neighbors here were from NY, CT, RI etc. All of them (except us) were flaming moonbat leftists fleeing the states they had already destroyed.
In my HS I was one of over 100 new students just that year, most that I met were also east coast people.
Now 30+ years later those moonbats are still here, their moonbat kids are still here and even their grandkids.
Unable to see the error in their ways, they are now pulling up stakes and moving again to escape to a new nest, having ruined this one.

WA, OR and CO are suffering the same fates, FL is being attacked from a different angle, that is all retiring northeast folks.

Next on their list is TX and ID. Idaho is becoming all the rage amongst people here as the next place to move to. They will bring their liberalism with them.

And fucking up every place they move

Perhaps we need to limit California immigrants in other states?

I visited California for the first time this past weekend. It is definitely a beautiful state and I'd love to live there if their politics and taxation did a 180, but I can certainly see why Californians are fleeing in droves. The gas prices are insane (and seemed to vary wildly, some stations in the San Diego area were selling gas for $3.19/gallon, while others not too far away were approaching $3.85), the housing costs are insane, the taxes are insane, and the local and state governments are always looking over your shoulder or reaching into your wallet.

But this is a case of Californians having to live with what they voted to have.

I moved from California and seem to be blending in just fine.

Too bad the fuckers moving out live in the expensive, Commie, blue part of the state. Stay there, assholes. Don't inflict your grasshopper ways on productive folk.

Could we build a border wall between Ca and their neighbors?

They are going to turn Arizona and Texas blue. Same way they fucked Colorado.

Yes, and I'm seeing their damned license plates all over Austin which is already a liberal shithole.

Nope

I am fortunate where I live.

1500sqft hime built in 2007, 1/3 acre, bought in 2010 for 175k.

Expensive to other parts of the country but cheap for Ca.

I pay 930 a month for my mortgage on a 130k dollar loan.

Cost of living here is low enough I can get by comfortably or even with some excess(5 cars and 875 sqft 2nd garage).

But then no kids or other shit to get in the way.   Insurance and gas plus registration for 5 cars is  far cheaper than worrying about daycare.

Problem is the retarded among them are too stupid to correlate the high taxes with their personal voting habits.  Not all mind  you but enough I believe a large part of our population are functionally retarded.

Stay away from Texas we’re full.

Yep. they aill vote Democrat where ever they find refuge.

Build a wall around California!

This is how Colorado got screwed up in the 90's.

I’m originally from Arizona, they are like a disease. A virus that slowly kills its host before moving on to the next victim.

Three of 138k right here.

Will never go back, fuck that place.

We need a wall on the eastern and northern borders of Kommiefornia.

If they haven't escaped before now...let them reap what they've sown.

They don’t seem to understand that a) we have a balanced budget amendment for a reason b) they don’t have to vote for every stupid bond that’s proposed just because it sounds good.

They fuck it up then just leave.
Human locusts.
Don't let them in your state.
Make them have to live there 10 years before they can vote or they will fuck up your state too.

Hopefully the liberal to conservative ratio isn't too bad.

I'm moving to Waxahachie

So which is it, do I move or is your state full? Make up your mind!

It didn't happen that way in Colorado.  Read The Blueprint and get back to us. One more thing the Colorado Republican Party is a shit show.

We'll be moving to Arizona in a couple years.  With us will come all of my guns and our two Republican votes. We don't associate with leftist scum.

Yep, Kansas is a #shithole full of backwards knuckle dragging bible thumpers.

If your conservative,like good gun laws and low taxes come on down south. Best thing I ever did.
<------ used to live in socal.

Stay in California. Nobody wants you.

You can come on over to Michigan