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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:48:14 AM EDT
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Spain claim them yet?
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:49:29 AM EDT
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Probably for the best. I don't think we want a burned out hulk drifting through shipping lanes.
The Sacred Cow Shipyards YouTube channel has been talking about this case and how much of a challenge fighting fires on ships is. Fascinating and scary stuff. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:52:40 AM EDT
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I am glad mine wasn't on there.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:52:45 AM EDT
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They ever come to a conclusion on how it started?
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:53:38 AM EDT
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So, do we know how the fire started?
*Electric cars packed into a ship, soon after manufacturing, may change insurance rates. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:53:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably for the best. I don't think we want a burned out hulk drifting through shipping lanes. The Sacred Cow Shipyards YouTube channel has been talking about this case and how much of a challenge fighting fires on ships is. Fascinating and scary stuff. The issue was all of the lithium batteries in the cars that kept it going, getting hotter and hotter, lighting up more stuff. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:54:44 AM EDT
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How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk?
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:55:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, do we know how the fire started? *Electric cars packed into a ship, soon after manufacturing, may change insurance rates. I remember reading early it was a mechanical issue with the boat, not automotive related. And once the lithium batteries started going, it was a domino effect. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:55:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? Yep, and mine's in the shop as usual so I'm stuck driving my old beater Maserati. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:56:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2022 10:59:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, do we know how the fire started? *Electric cars packed into a ship, soon after manufacturing, may change insurance rates. We are Farmers! Bum ba-dum bum bum bum... |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:00:14 AM EDT
[#12]
The thread on the Rennlist Porsche forum is pretty sad
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? Finally someone admits the truth! GD is full of multi-millionaires! 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, and mine's in the shop as usual so I'm stuck driving my old beater Maserati. Maserati?  The poor thread is that way ——> |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:01:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The thread on the Rennlist Porsche forum is pretty sad There was a very special Carrera GT on that boat. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:01:24 AM EDT
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They are still saying they don’t know the original cause just that it was made worse by the electric batteries. I’d bet insurance will be fighting that out for a long time…if it was boat caused then they are on the hook for the cars vs if a car battery started it then not only does VW lose the load but likely damages to loss of vessel.
Either way I bet costs to insure a load with those car batteries will get a lot more expensive… |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:05:24 AM EDT
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I take it these ships don't have some sort of sophisticated fire supression system built in that can hose down a fire wherever it starts? Cause something tells me that is going to be a thing for new ships that intend on trasporting cars.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:08:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They ever come to a conclusion on how it started? 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:09:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are still saying they don’t know the original cause just that it was made worse by the electric batteries. I’d bet insurance will be fighting that out for a long time…if it was boat caused then they are on the hook for the cars vs if a car battery started it then not only does VW lose the load but likely damages to loss of vessel. Either way I bet costs to insure a load with those car batteries will get a lot more expensive… Something I find that I've been saying a lot lately. "You're up against the laws of thermodynamics, Captain!" Battery powered cars demand putting a lot of energy into batteries. I wouldn't say that battery tech is quite where it needs to be yet, but it's getting there. Concepts like graphene frames containing electrical energy are fascinating. But that tech is probably decades away from commercial implementation. Just so I don't sound like a hater. It's not like gasoline has ever caught fire. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:10:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am glad mine wasn't on there. 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:13:15 AM EDT
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The world weeps.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? I know, it just pisses me off!! My 2018 Aventador is really showing it’s age with almost 1,000 miles on it. 
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:15:10 AM EDT
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I’m calling BS
Scuttled is more like it. Certainly the cheaper option. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:16:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know, it just pisses me off!! My 2018 Aventador is really showing it's age with almost 1,000 miles on it. https://hdqwalls.com/wallpapers/2018-lamborghini-aventador-svj-front-tj.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? I know, it just pisses me off!! My 2018 Aventador is really showing it's age with almost 1,000 miles on it. https://hdqwalls.com/wallpapers/2018-lamborghini-aventador-svj-front-tj.jpg How provincial! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:16:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They ever come to a conclusion on how it started? Kia, Hyundai ??? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:18:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, and mine's in the shop as usual so I'm stuck driving my old beater Maserati. I lost my license Now I don't drive |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:24:50 AM EDT
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Somewhere, a cargo insurance executive just shat a chicken.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 11:29:26 AM EDT
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They will never admit that it was one of the EVs. It went down with the official version being, “the cause of the fire is undetermined.” In 6 months or a year they will figure a way to blame something else for the fire.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:24:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:28:18 PM EDT
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That sucks, conditions on-bored had to be hellish with all fumes and fires. So much for salvage titled cars.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:30:02 PM EDT
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NO pics or video?
boooooo! |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:31:01 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading early it was a mechanical issue with the boat, not automotive related. And once the lithium batteries started going, it was a domino effect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, do we know how the fire started? *Electric cars packed into a ship, soon after manufacturing, may change insurance rates. I remember reading early it was a mechanical issue with the boat, not automotive related. And once the lithium batteries started going, it was a domino effect. Sounds plausible |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:32:17 PM EDT
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EVs are shipped with thier batteries down charged..there is barely enough juice to move them around.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks, conditions on-bored had to be hellish with all fumes and fires. So much for salvage titled cars. You'd think with the ship being on fire, it would have gotten a little more entertaining.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:33:21 PM EDT
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What’s the monetary value of cargo? Has to be close to 500 million.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:37:36 PM EDT
[#36]
I’d rather it happen on their boat instead of in my garage
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:47:59 PM EDT
[#37]
 Most recent photo Everything burned. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a very special Carrera GT on that boat. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are supposed to be shipped with thier batteries down charged..there is barely enough juice to move them around. In bold is the fixed statement. Humans make mistakes. Someone made one here on at least 1 vehicle, or 1 container of vehicles. Enough and spread throughout the cargo to sustain the thermal run-off that clearly happened. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:57:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There was a very special Carrera GT on that boat. Is that true? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:58:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, and mine's in the shop as usual so I'm stuck driving my old beater Maserati. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? Yep, and mine's in the shop as usual so I'm stuck driving my old beater Maserati. Well, the old Vector W2 still works well |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:59:21 PM EDT
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Article I read said the recovery estimate was something like 150 million. Guess they don't have to worry about that now.
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Posted: 3/1/2022 3:59:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:03:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I remember reading early it was a mechanical issue with the boat, not automotive related. And once the lithium batteries started going, it was a domino effect. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:09:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They ever come to a conclusion on how it started? Global warming and US racism |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:10:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: EVs are shipped with thier batteries down charged..there is barely enough juice to move them around. I've seen this as a shipping requirement for shipping Lithion batteries, e.g. <30% charge capacity. What I don't understand is, discharging a battery doesn't mean you've reduced the amount if flammable fuel by, lets say, 70%, like emptying a gas tank before shipping. It seems really silly. I've never heard of a battery spontaneously experiencing thermal runaway merely because of the charge state(not actively being charged), and it certainly wouldn't matter once the darn thing has ignited. Is this actually a thing, or a feel-good measure by people who think charging a battery actually feels it up with dangerous electricity like a fuel tank? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spain claim them yet? ?? |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:16:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's still on that boat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was a very special Carrera GT on that boat. Build another one |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Sacred Cow Shipyards YouTube channel has been talking about this case and how much of a challenge fighting fires on ships is. Fascinating and scary stuff. Just went to SCS. That is probably the most annoying guy I've ever listened to. I couldn't make it more that a couple of minutes. |
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Posted: 3/1/2022 4:21:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many of us Arfcommers are now stuck with our older Lambos because our new ones sunk? 
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