Posted: 3/14/2004 11:56:35 PM EDT
I have a commie pinko at work who loves to throw the Bush Lied, where are the WMD's around. I just sent hima little email. Got tired of hearing that lie and googled it. Got a great hit
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CAV VET: Throw her this. Show her a picture of one of those mass burial sites in Iraq, and tell her "Look at this. Saddam Hussein WAS a Weapon of Mass Destruction" If her dad or brother was buried in one of those mass graves, she would think SH was a WMD herself. |
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Quoted: Iraq is a big country with lots of room to hid anything. Saddam had plenty of time. It will turn up sometime, but when? Saddam could quite concieavbly hid them in his underground bunkers. or had them moved to another country like seria. I watched the history channel shows about saddam and the second war everyone thought he had them. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I am still pissed about the WMD thing... We should've went somewhere like syria or iran... What about the whole area over there. The point is, even a card-carrying Republican like myself isn't thrilled about Iraq. Why go there? I don't see any WMD. Were we late, and they have all been sold/given to syria? We now have a battle-trained and hardened military, but they are also a tired military. We could've used our resources better elsewhere. the arguement that 1,000,000,000 Iraqis are better off in life because of the US doesn't hold water with me either. Everytime we have installed or propped up a govt, it turns around and bites us. If people are getting raped and shot, LET THEM BUILD THEIR OWN REVOLUTION, AND SET THINGS RIGHT, NOT US. The basis for the Iraq war was US security, not new schools and women's sufferage for the Iraqi people. |
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Quoted: I have a commie pinko at work who loves to throw the Bush Lied, where are the WMD's around. I just sent hima little email. Got tired of hearing that lie and googled it. Got a great [url=http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/demsonwmds.php]hit[/url] "The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- [red]Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen[/red] in April of 2003....and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- [red]Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter[/red] in 1998 That's nice but where are they? [devil] |
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I will say the same thing to our arfcom naysayers that I say to the kommie at work... If you think we can find a few pallets in a country, maybe you can swing by my place and find my lost watch. I know its here, but damn if I can find it. Hell, its only 8 rooms... IIRC, we sold it to him, the Frogs sold it to him. He had 'em and we will find 'em. Or we could have left him alone and they would have found [b]US[/b]. I know thats not your preference...or is it? Hell, it only took us 6 months to [i]find[/i] [url=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml]these...[/url] [img]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25a.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25c.jpg[/img] |
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Hey, don't get me wrong as I would like to find them and then we would know, for sure, there is no further threat. The fact is, though, that we haven't found them. Quoting the Clintons and others on the Left just shows that they knew no more than Bush and this proves what? [devil] |
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Quoted: Iraq is a big country with lots of room to hid anything. Saddam had plenty of time. It will turn up sometime, but when? Saddam could quite concieavbly hid them in his underground bunkers. Come on even the US government has said, there are none. Wake up ------------- please. |
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Quoted: I will say the same thing to our arfcom naysayers that I say to the kommie at work... If you think we can find a few pallets in a country, maybe you can swing by my place and find my lost watch. I know its here, but damn if I can find it. Hell, its only 8 rooms... IIRC, we sold it to him, the Frogs sold it to him. He had 'em and we will find 'em. Or we could have left him alone and they would have found [b]US[/b]. I know thats not your preference...or is it? Hell, it only took us 6 months to [i]find[/i] [url=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml]these...[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25a.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25c.jpg[/url] CavVet those were useless, and even experts disagree on if they could have been made to fly again, so do you think a bunch of goat fucks were really dangerous to the US interests with those ????? Quick, -------------------what day is it ? |
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cyanide- please at least provide credible links for your two assertions. 1) The .gov said there are no WMD and 2) those planes couldnt fly. So let me get this straight. The left hates Bush, and cites WMD as the reason we went to war and was a lie. The left thought he had them too. The fact is [b]he did buy and develop them[/b]. He did have them, but because we cant find them now, what are you guys saying? If you are so dead set they dont exist, tell me what happened to them please. What are you Bush haters saying? SH was a good guy and we should have left him alone? SH didnt really throw dinners and praise the 9/11 [i]martyrs[/i]? What are you guys saying other than you hate Bush? A few of you are starting to sound like real lefties. Please state a plain position. Who do you want to lead the country? Was 9/11 a bad thing? Should boys marry boys? Spit it out... |
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Quoted: cyanide- please at least provide credible links for your two assertions. 1) The .gov said there are no WMD and 2) those planes couldnt fly. So let me get this straight. The left hates Bush, and cites WMD as the reason we went to war and was a lie. The left thought he had them too. The fact is [b]he did buy and develop them[/b]. He did have them, but because we cant find them now, what are you guys saying? If you are so dead set they dont exist, tell me what happened to them please. What are you Bush haters saying? SH was a good guy and we should have left him alone? SH didnt really throw dinners and praise the 9/11 [i]martyrs[/i]? What are you guys saying other than you hate Bush? A few of you are starting to sound like real lefties. Please state a plain position. Who do you want to lead the country? Was 9/11 a bad thing? Should boys marry boys? Spit it out... I'll state a plain posistion!........................... CavVat your dead on! Everybody likes to criticize BUSH but totally ignore the facts. Who gives a shit if the plane will fly, Why did they bury it? they were hiding it for a reason. Several containers of chemical agents could be anywhere! I could care less if they ever find anything, Saddam Insane and his scumbags are gone! that is good news for the world, well except for the fucking french who were selling him weapons. People act like Saddam forgot about the Gulf War. He had every reason to develop and use weapons against us and our allies. COZ |
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Quoted: cyanide- please at least provide credible links for your two assertions. 1) The .gov said there are no WMD and 2) those planes couldnt fly. So let me get this straight. The left hates Bush, and cites WMD as the reason we went to war and was a lie. The left thought he had them too. The fact is [b]he did buy and develop them[/b]. He did have them, but because we cant find them now, what are you guys saying? If you are so dead set they dont exist, tell me what happened to them please. What are you Bush haters saying? SH was a good guy and we should have left him alone? SH didnt really throw dinners and praise the 9/11 [i]martyrs[/i]? What are you guys saying other than you hate Bush? A few of you are starting to sound like real lefties. Please state a plain position. Who do you want to lead the country? Was 9/11 a bad thing? Should boys marry boys? Spit it out... Well with the piss poor choices we have, and the fact that a choice has to be made, I am going to vote for Mr.Bush, but I still don't like it because it is not a good choice, just the one least disastrous to our Nation. |
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To all of you that say we DIDN'T find anything, do you remember the Marines that found the secret underground site that was so hot they couldn't even go in in suits? Or the 55 gallon drums that tested positive for mustard gas and labled with a French agrcultural company logo? Or the traces of chem weapons in the rivers? Or the mobile chem weapons labs that had been stripped clean? Sure, they didn't find anything. I don't understand why the info is being sat on for the time being, but there was SCADS of stuff found. Nick |
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GWB went into this war for the purpose of locating and eliminating WMDs from a terrorist supporting Arab country. and he did just that. Except, the ones he found were in Libya. Since the invasion, Libya has identified thousands of gallons of chemical weapons for destruction, plans for plutonium production and plans for a [b]working[/b] model of a nuclear weapon. Now, Libya doesn't have a single credible threat on their borders. What do you suppose Libya had in mind when they were developing these weapons? The media doesn't seem to really spotlight this though. Hmmmmmmm. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am still pissed about the WMD thing... We should've went somewhere like syria or iran... What about the whole area over there. The point is, even a card-carrying Republican like myself isn't thrilled about Iraq. Why go there? I don't see any WMD. Were we late, and they have all been sold/given to syria? We now have a battle-trained and hardened military, but they are also a tired military. We could've used our resources better elsewhere. the arguement that 1,000,000,000 Iraqis are better off in life because of the US doesn't hold water with me either. Everytime we have installed or propped up a govt, it turns around and bites us. If people are getting raped and shot, LET THEM BUILD THEIR OWN REVOLUTION, AND SET THINGS RIGHT, NOT US. The basis for the Iraq war was US security, not new schools and women's sufferage for the Iraqi people. Yes Mug, but we now own the best real estate in the region. Perfect place to use as the jumping off point to set things right in the world. Also, I don't think that the President lied. I truly believe that he thought he was telling the truth at the time. Lying would indicate that he deliberately misled people. As evidenced by all the others who also believed, including Kerry, it is clear that he intended no falsehoods. |
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Quoted: Hmmm. That email on other people's statements regarding WMD's is intersting because none of them committed US ground troops to find them nor did they cost us the lives of almost 600 American troops (and counting, with no end in sight). You're absolutely correct. I feel we are very fortunate to have a man of vision in the White House. Could you imagine how badly the others would have done if they were in a similar position? Can you imagine a democracy in an Arab country? Can you imagine what it will be like for the Iraqi people not to have to worry any further about trying to identify their relatives from a pile of bones in mass graves? Can you imagine a constitution where Shia, Sunni and Kurds all support a common government? Can you imagine the 100,000+ new Iraqis police officers in their new country?..and doing so with the full knowledge that if Saddam would return that they and their families would be executed? Of course, there are thugs of the remnant Saddam regime that will attack us. Of course, there are al-Qaeda forces that will attack us. But then again, those that are attacking us are the very ones who either supported the previous atrocities in Iraq or remained quietly silent in their knowledge. Yes, you're 100% correct. Our world is better for GWBs actions. |
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I truly believe the president acted on the best intelligence estimates available to him at the time. Intelligence gathering is never a 100% accurate science. Couple this with with congressional meddling and financial gutting of the intelligence community, starting with the Church committee and continuing through the 90's with the Klintoon administration, especially the Torreceli Principle [nothing personal JJ but NJ's election of this thieving weasel doesn't speak well for the electorate that put him in office ]and you've got a custom made recipe for failure. Cap all this off with the fallacy that "Forget HUMINT!! Spy-in-the-sky satellite technology can provide us with all the data we need on the ground." and one is truly left wondering how our intelligence apparatus can function at all. Klintoon grounded the SR-71 and allowed the "Torreceli Principle" to become policy; and in doing so, he set U.S. intellgince gathering back God only knows how many decades. So for those you who are Bush's detractors, get a clue. BlowJob BillyJeff was far more responsible for the weakend state of our intel gathering and subsequent failures [including 9/11] than "W"s administration will ever be. |
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Quoted: Hmmm. That email on other people's statements regarding WMD's is intersting because none of them committed US ground troops to find them nor did they cost us the lives of almost 600 American troops (and counting, with no end in sight). [b]You are dead wrong. Some of them (most actually) did in fact vote to commit US troops...[/b] [url=http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237#top] Read the roll call[/url] I [b]know[/b] Hillary voted for it, Kerry voted for it, Daschle voted for it, Edwards voted for it, Feinstein voted for it and Lieberman voted for it. Now for your dead troop assertion Al Gore, would you rather it be innocent civilian women and children like 9/11, with higher numbers perhaps like oh 3,000, or was that our fault too? See, like it or not, there are evil people in this world, and there are attacks, and there is defense. Your buddies the Muslim extremists are hell bent on killing Americans. All we can do is control the fight. Not in NYC, but in their backyard. Not with my civilian women and children, but with my soldiers. I pay and equip [b]volunteers[/b] to defend this country, like myself and so many before have done. Wanna fight? No problem, but not in NYC, lets go to Bagdhad. Not with 747's, lets try F-16's. Now we can fight, and I will gove you more than a fair chance at your 72 virgins. I am sad we have lost [b]one[/b] soldier. Freedom is not free, and a few of [b]US[/b] understand that well. |
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Quoted: CAV VET: Throw her this. Show her a picture of one of those mass burial sites in Iraq, and tell her "Look at this. Saddam Hussein WAS a Weapon of Mass Destruction" If her dad or brother was buried in one of those mass graves, she would think SH was a WMD herself. Exactly my feelings. Nazis started off shooting. Pull the trigger enough times and you've got massive destruction of human life via murder. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm. That email on other people's statements regarding WMD's is intersting because none of them committed US ground troops to find them nor did they cost us the lives of almost 600 American troops (and counting, with no end in sight). You're absolutely correct. I feel we are very fortunate to have a man of vision in the White House. Could you imagine how badly the others would have done if they were in a similar position? Can you imagine a democracy in an Arab country? Can you imagine what it will be like for the Iraqi people not to have to worry any further about trying to identify their relatives from a pile of bones in mass graves? Can you imagine a constitution where Shia, Sunni and Kurds all support a common government? Can you imagine the 100,000+ new Iraqis police officers in their new country?..and doing so with the full knowledge that if Saddam would return that they and their families would be executed? Of course, there are thugs of the remnant Saddam regime that will attack us. Of course, there are al-Qaeda forces that will attack us. But then again, those that are attacking us are the very ones who either supported the previous atrocities in Iraq or remained quietly silent in their knowledge. Yes, you're 100% correct. Our world is better for GWBs actions. Yes, the middle east is better because of it. BUT, in 15 years, Iraq will be hostile to all Americans, and HATE us for helping them. The iraq war would've been worth it if we intercepted piles of WMDs. I don't care about one oppressed person in another country on this planet. I don't care about 1000 oppressed people on this planet. If there is a country on earth that still supports terrorism, they are NEXT. If freeing oppressed people was the goal, lets go to Somalia, Niger, China,... People, when given democracy and freedom, do not value it. The French don't. Spain doesn't value it. Haiti doesn't. Afghanistan doesn't have the technology to tell it's people that they are free, so they don't value it. Unless you earn your freedom, you are just keeping a seat warm in your parliment/House of Representatives, etc. |
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Quoted: People, when given democracy and freedom, do not value it. The French don't. Spain doesn't value it. Haiti doesn't. Afghanistan doesn't have the technology to tell it's people that they are free, so they don't value it. Unless you earn your freedom, you are just keeping a seat warm in your parliment/House of Representatives, etc. Didn't the French come through for us? I appreciate Freedom. It wasn't exactly "given to us", but we wouldn't have been able to do it without them. |
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Quoted: Don't forget, we are fighting terrosim in the Middle East, as opposed to in the US. I prefer it that way. The armed forces are doing their job; being the object of the fight, rather than civilians over here. P.S.- CavVet, how'd your co-worker take this letter? [:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: I will say the same thing to our arfcom naysayers that I say to the kommie at work... If you think we can find a few pallets in a country, maybe you can swing by my place and find my lost watch. I know its here, but damn if I can find it. Hell, its only 8 rooms... IIRC, we sold it to him, the Frogs sold it to him. He had 'em and we will find 'em. Or we could have left him alone and they would have found [b]US[/b]. I know thats not your preference...or is it? Hell, it only took us 6 months to [i]find[/i] [url=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml]these...[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25a.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25c.jpg[/url] CavVet those were useless, and even experts disagree on if they could have been made to fly again, so do you think a bunch of goat fucks were really dangerous to the US interests with those ????? Quick, -------------------what day is it ? The point is not weather a few MiG 25s can be returned to service... The point is that if it takes 6mos to find a fighter squadron buried in the desert, how long will it take to find a few pallets of buried chem/bio weapons? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmmm. That email on other people's statements regarding WMD's is intersting because none of them committed US ground troops to find them nor did they cost us the lives of almost 600 American troops (and counting, with no end in sight). You're absolutely correct. I feel we are very fortunate to have a man of vision in the White House. Could you imagine how badly the others would have done if they were in a similar position? Can you imagine a democracy in an Arab country? Can you imagine what it will be like for the Iraqi people not to have to worry any further about trying to identify their relatives from a pile of bones in mass graves? Can you imagine a constitution where Shia, Sunni and Kurds all support a common government? Can you imagine the 100,000+ new Iraqis police officers in their new country?..and doing so with the full knowledge that if Saddam would return that they and their families would be executed? Of course, there are thugs of the remnant Saddam regime that will attack us. Of course, there are al-Qaeda forces that will attack us. But then again, those that are attacking us are the very ones who either supported the previous atrocities in Iraq or remained quietly silent in their knowledge. Yes, you're 100% correct. Our world is better for GWBs actions. Yes, the middle east is better because of it. BUT, in 15 years, Iraq will be hostile to all Americans, and HATE us for helping them. The iraq war would've been worth it if we intercepted piles of WMDs. I don't care about one oppressed person in another country on this planet. I don't care about 1000 oppressed people on this planet. If there is a country on earth that still supports terrorism, they are NEXT. If freeing oppressed people was the goal, lets go to Somalia, Niger, China,... People, when given democracy and freedom, do not value it. The French don't. Spain doesn't value it. Haiti doesn't. Afghanistan doesn't have the technology to tell it's people that they are free, so they don't value it. Unless you earn your freedom, you are just keeping a seat warm in your parliment/House of Representatives, etc. The Brits were 'given' democracy without a military revolution. They seem to have valued it quite well... The French fought for their freedom, but... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I will say the same thing to our arfcom naysayers that I say to the kommie at work... If you think we can find a few pallets in a country, maybe you can swing by my place and find my lost watch. I know its here, but damn if I can find it. Hell, its only 8 rooms... IIRC, we sold it to him, the Frogs sold it to him. He had 'em and we will find 'em. Or we could have left him alone and they would have found [b]US[/b]. I know thats not your preference...or is it? Hell, it only took us 6 months to [i]find[/i] [url=http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/8/6/105528.shtml]these...[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25a.jpg[/url] [url]http://www.newsmax.com/images/headlines/mig25c.jpg[/url] CavVet those were useless, and even experts disagree on if they could have been made to fly again, so do you think a bunch of goat fucks were really dangerous to the US interests with those ????? Quick, -------------------what day is it ? The point is not weather a few MiG 25s can be returned to service... The point is that if it takes 6mos to find a fighter squadron buried in the desert, how long will it take to find a few pallets of buried chem/bio weapons? DaveA, I've got to say that is a valid arguement. |
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Mugzilla makes a good point. Virtually every country we have "saved" porks us later, even while we are pouring tons of money in aide into them.I am not convinced that the USA saving the world is the best policy, although I do agree that Saddam and his ilk had to go. But, is it our job to take out all of those that run a country/government like him? I don't know if there is a clear answer to that question. We like to think of the USA as standing for truth, justice and the best of everything, but somehow that ideal has been lost on our (former) allies in large part, oddly proving that money does not necessarily buy friendship.. There are numerous factors f***ing up this country...we all know what they are, but as a country we must decide whether or not we are going to kiss every other country's assess so that they like us (a la Kerry et al), or behave like we really do have a "USA first" attitude and are willing to do whatever it takes to protect what is left of our way of life. The latter would seem to be a very narrow tightrope to walk, while the former would be easy, albeit extemely dangerous. Lastly, I am not convinced Mr. Bush's approach is exactly what is needed, however, it beats the crap out of any of the chickenshit theories the libs are trying to pass off as sensible. |
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Tell your commie pinko co-worker that the War in Iraq [b][u]DID[/u][/b] result in the discovery of over 40,000 pounds of mustard gas, thousands of tons of sarin nerve gas precusor and several hidden WMD production plants and storage facilities that were never previously disclosed. But just remember, facts have no relevance to the "hate-Bush" crowd. |
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Well done CavVet. For you WMD doubters, read this. [url]http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/inspections/index.html?leftNavInclude[/url] Then tell us that there is no way Saddam had anything left, and was not in violation of UN resolutions. Sidebar from article: "Returning what they stole: To prepare Al Hakam for destruction, in May of 1996, inspectors began verifying that all the equipment scheduled to be destroyed was still on site. While going down their list, Iraqi officials drove up with truckloads of missing equipment. The Iraqis claimed that thieves had pilfered the equipment in January of 1995 from a nearby bunker, and even showed inspectors a bunker door that had been destroyed in what they claimed was a theft. The Iraqi officials said they had retrieved the material and, in a show of good faith, had brought it back for UNSCOM to destroy. However, UNSCOM wasn't fooled. As part of their monitoring mission earlier that month, inspectors had placed a seal over the bunker door and taken a photo of it. In the photo, the door that allegedly had been destroyed months earlier was in fine shape. Another story falls flat: After a series of revisions to their story, the Iraqis finally admitted they had made biological weapons. So where were the weapons? Iraq claimed to have destroyed them in 1991 – with no independent witnesses for verification. UNSCOM skepticism only increased after talking with a man who supposedly cleaned up the remains of the scrapped warheads. Inspectors asked if he had any trouble with flat tires. No, he said. Then they asked what kind of tires he used. Regular tires, he said. According to an inspector, the task would have required special tires to prevent punctures from the warhead's shrapnel." |
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Quoted: Quoted: People, when given democracy and freedom, do not value it. The French don't. Spain doesn't value it. Haiti doesn't. Afghanistan doesn't have the technology to tell it's people that they are free, so they don't value it. Unless you earn your freedom, you are just keeping a seat warm in your parliment/House of Representatives, etc. Didn't the French come through for us? I appreciate Freedom. It wasn't exactly "given to us", but we wouldn't have been able to do it without them. Sorry Leisure, I was referring to the French losing their freedom back in the 1940's. They don't seem to have much respect for the US, nor do they seem willing to help us. Yes, the French in 1775-1779 helped us out, but that was because they hated the British. The colonists still had to do their own fighting though... |
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[b]"We have documentary evidence about orders from the leadership to preserve a strategic [chemical weapons] capability...That means to keep the production equipment ready to produce at any given moment. UNSCOM uncovered work on the nerve gas VX and says that 3,000 kilograms of VX is missing." ~ [red]Rolf Ekeus[/b][/red], head of UNSCOM, June 1997 right before he was kicked out of Iraq by Saddam. [b]"UNSCOM has shown that it is very, very easy to conceal this sort of thing." ~ [red]Creena Lavery[/red],[/b] special assistant to the director of UNSCOM, July 1997. [b]"Iraq has declared that it produced about 8,500 litres of this biological warfare agent [Anthrax], which it states it unilaterally destroyed in the summer of 1991. Iraq has provided little evidence for this production and no convincing evidence for its destruction. There are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. There are also indications that the agent [VX nerve gas] was weaponised. In addition, there are questions to be answered concerning the fate of the VX precursor chemicals... ...inspectors have found at another site a laboratory quantity of thiodiglycol, a mustard gas precursor. In addition, Iraq has refurbished its missile production infrastructure. In particular, Iraq reconstituted a number of casting chambers, which had previously been destroyed under UNSCOM supervision. UNMOVIC, for its part, is not presuming that there are proscribed items and activities in Iraq, but nor is it – or I think anyone else after the inspections between 1991 and 1998 – presuming the opposite, that no such items and activities exist in Iraq." ~ [red]Hans Blix,[/b][/red] Report to UN Security Council, January 27, 2003. |
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Quoted: CAV VET: Throw [red]her[/red] this. Show [red]her[/red] a picture of one of those mass burial sites in Iraq, and tell [red]her[/red] "Look at this. Saddam Hussein WAS a Weapon of Mass Destruction" If [red]her[/red] dad or brother was buried in one of those mass graves, [red]she[/red] would think SH was a WMD [red]herself[/red]. Funny how one would think this is a woman even after he stated his coworker was male. |