Posted: 1/22/2004 11:16:00 PM EDT
How many of us on the board keep them? Are they ( the vests ) all within the law? --VT ????????
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Quoted: Some local Governments prohibit them for private ownership, though I don't see how it would hold up to judicial review. BTW, I have two. I believe around here it's not illegal to [b]OWN[/b] one but if used in commission of a crime you can add on charges because you were wearing the vest. |
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Quoted: If you want to stop shrapnel and 9mm AND want evertyone to know you're wearing it, get the Interceptor. If you want something concealable, comfortable(relatively) and that will stop a lot more than just 9mm, get yourself some soft body armor. Are the SAPI plates ever going to be sold to the civi market? I believe with these plates the vest will stop a 7.62 x 39 dead in it's tracks. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If you want to stop shrapnel and 9mm AND want evertyone to know you're wearing it, get the Interceptor. If you want something concealable, comfortable(relatively) and that will stop a lot more than just 9mm, get yourself some soft body armor. Are the SAPI plates ever going to be sold to the civi market? I believe with these plates the vest will stop a 7.62 x 39 dead in it's tracks. You would be screwed on a head shot. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you want to stop shrapnel and 9mm AND want evertyone to know you're wearing it, get the Interceptor. If you want something concealable, comfortable(relatively) and that will stop a lot more than just 9mm, get yourself some soft body armor. Are the SAPI plates ever going to be sold to the civi market? I believe with these plates the vest will stop a 7.62 x 39 dead in it's tracks. You would be screwed on a head shot. If there was a high probablility of that, why does everyone in Iraq and Afganistan want one? To the point of buying them out of their own pocket if Uncle cant come up with some? |
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Quoted: You would be screwed on a head shot. If there was a high probablility of that, why does everyone in Iraq and Afganistan want one? To the point of buying them out of their own pocket if Uncle cant come up with some? Well whats the price on even a small chance of saving your ass? |
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I know that Federal LEO would like the Feds to out law them. But you can get the latest & greatest almost anywhere. Even the steel / ceramic / kevlar chest plates are available from the internet for $550.00 !!! My son's friend saw first hand how well they work in the Liberation of Iraq. He is in the 5/3 Marines. As they were taking a bridge over the Eurphrates river, his buddy caught 6, 7.62 X 39 rounds right in the center of his chest. The damn thing stopped all 6!!! But he said it hurt like hell !!! He got up & killed his attacker with a double tap from his M16. Hajis do not wear body armor. |
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I have 6 of them. I saw a young kid working a shop I used to frequent and stopped one day to see where the regular guy was. Kid said the regular guy was his uncle the "owner". We got to talking about bow hunting season. To make a long story short I wound up trading the kid a compound bow and set of arrows for 6 pair of vest. BEST investment I ever made!!!!!! All the vest where Level III. The funny part is the bow, I got for free from a friend that did not want it anymore. Another thing....funny how I never saw the kid working the store anymore. |
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Quoted: If you want to stop shrapnel and 9mm AND want evertyone to know you're wearing it, get the Interceptor. If you want something concealable, comfortable(relatively) and that will stop a lot more than just 9mm, get yourself some soft body armor. I agree. FWIW, there is a growing trend within the SWAT community to get away from ballistic TAC vests and go back to concealable soft body armor and non-ballistic vests |
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Quoted: Quoted: Some local Governments prohibit them for private ownership, though I don't see how it would hold up to judicial review. BTW, I have two. I believe around here it's not illegal to [b]OWN[/b] one but if used in commission of a crime you can add on charges because you were wearing the vest. You say that as if you're not sure. Not flaming you, really, but wouldn't a prerequisite of enforcing the law be to [b]know[/b] the law? |
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Yes the interceptor with the SAPI does a great job, it will stop multiple hits from AKs or even 7.62 NATO weapons cold. Some Marines who were hit said it felt like getting hit in the chest with a baseball bat some said they didn't feel it (must have had their adrenaline up). Unfortunately, real SAPI plates are government property that cannot be sold or DRMOed (there may be an acception to DRMO to LEO, but that would be years in the future), if you have one the Government could ask for it back or charge you with possession of stolen government property. The Interceptor was available in limited numbers for sale, but exclusively to military and LEO. So although there are a few legal ones, about everyone out there is actually stolen government property. If you have one you better hold on to the receipt. There are several companies that are selling "SAPI" like performance plates, those should be legal unless you are in one of those really weird states. |
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I've got a Second Chance Monarch Summit in IIIa. Luckily I was shopping for mine just as the Zylon fiasco started to leak out. If I was going to a place where rifles were the primary threat, I would wear my Monarch and buy a couple of the Point Blank level IV plates from [url=www.lightfighter.com/category.html?UCIDs=1273411]Lightfighter[/url] as well as a plate carrier. |
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Quoted: My son's friend saw first hand how well they work in the Liberation of Iraq. He is in the 5/3 Marines. As they were taking a bridge over the Eurphrates river, his buddy caught 6, 7.62 X 39 rounds right in the center of his chest. The damn thing stopped all 6!!! But he said it hurt like hell !!! He got up & killed his attacker with a double tap from his M16. Hajis do not wear body armor. That sounds a good war story, but a bit of a stretch. I'm almost tempted to call BS. The 3rd Marine Regiment has a 1/3, 2/3 and a 3/3, but no 5/3. There is a 3/5 in the 5th MAR Reg. Besides the unit thing you do realize the SAPI plate is mere 10"X12". Someone held a six shot group at combat distance? Landing 6 rounds directly dead center on the SAPI plate? And then after the blunt trauma of being shot six times he immediately get up and double taps the shooter? Fishy |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Some local Governments prohibit them for private ownership, though I don't see how it would hold up to judicial review. BTW, I have two. I believe around here it's not illegal to [b]OWN[/b] one but if used in commission of a crime you can add on charges because you were wearing the vest. You say that as if you're not sure. Not flaming you, really, but wouldn't a prerequisite of enforcing the law be to [b]know[/b] the law? Thats right, I forgot, I keep an extra copy of the New York State Penal Code with me when I surf the net from my home on my days off...[;)] |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you want to stop shrapnel and 9mm AND want evertyone to know you're wearing it, get the Interceptor. If you want something concealable, comfortable(relatively) and that will stop a lot more than just 9mm, get yourself some soft body armor. Are the SAPI plates ever going to be sold to the civi market? I believe with these plates the vest will stop a 7.62 x 39 dead in it's tracks. You would be screwed on a head shot. If there was a high probablility of that, why does everyone in Iraq and Afganistan want one? To the point of buying them out of their own pocket if Uncle cant come up with some? Nothing was ever mentioned in the begining of this thread about being in a "Hot Zone" it was for personal use the way I read it. |
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Quoted: Quoted: \If there was a high probablility of that, why does everyone in Iraq and Afganistan want one? To the point of buying them out of their own pocket if Uncle cant come up with some? Nothing was ever mentioned in the begining of this thread about being in a "Hot Zone" it was for personal use the way I read it. If you get shot in the head, it doesnt matter about being in a hot zone vs. using it for personal use. So I dont understead your comment.. ? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: \If there was a high probablility of that, why does everyone in Iraq and Afganistan want one? To the point of buying them out of their own pocket if Uncle cant come up with some? Nothing was ever mentioned in the begining of this thread about being in a "Hot Zone" it was for personal use the way I read it. If you get shot in the head, it doesnt matter about being in a hot zone vs. using it for personal use. So I dont understead your comment.. ? A couple of them brought up the comment about SAPI plates and it was twisted to needing them in Iraq ans Afghanistahn. thats all. |
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Quoted: Quoted: [You say that as if you're not sure. Not flaming you, really, but wouldn't a prerequisite of enforcing the law be to [b]know[/b] the law? Thats right, I forgot, I keep an extra copy of the New York State Penal Code with me when I surf the net from my home on my days off...[;)] Damnit, Wave! You should know these things; isn't a J.D. a prerequisite for NYPD? Next you're going to tell me that you don't deal with these ballistic-vest-wearing punks every day. [;)] |