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Posted: 2/15/2006 4:22:35 AM EDT
Testing by placing lethal nerve gas patches on a soldier's arm
WTF!!

Full article here

and
here.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 4:30:49 AM EDT
Ever heard of the Chemical Corps? We did the same shit to our soldiers, and didn't take care of them after they were discharged. It's one of the more forgettable moments in our history, that's for sure. The History Channel did a show on them IIRC, pretty sobering what they did to our guys in the name of science. Really fucked some guys up.

Dave

ETA: This will get you Googling:

History Secret Experiments Conducted on U.S. Citizens


HISTORY OF SECRET EXPERIMENTATION

ON UNITED STATES CITIZENS


1931 Dr. Cornelius Rhoads, under the auspices of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Investigations, infects human subjects with cancer cells. He later goes on to establish the U.S. Army Biological Warfare facilities in Maryland, Utah, and Panama, and is named to the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. While there, he begins a series of radiation exposure experiments on American soldiers and civilian hospital patients.
1932 The Tuskegee Syphilis Study begins. 200 black men diagnosed with syphilis are never told of their illness, are denied treatment, and instead are used as human guinea pigs in order to follow the progression and symptoms of the disease. They all subsequently die from syphilis, their families never told that they could have been treated.
1935 The Pellagra Incident. After millions of individuals die from Pellagra over a span of two decades, the U.S. Public Health Service finally acts to stem the disease. The director of the agency admits it had known for at least 20 years that Pellagra is caused by a niacin deficiency but failed to act since most of the deaths occured within poverty-striken black populations.
1940 Four hundred prisoners in Chicago are infected with Malaria in order to study the effects of new and experimental drugs to combat the disease. Nazi doctors later on trial at Nuremberg cite this American study to defend their own actions during the Holocaust.
1942 Chemical Warfare Services begins mustard gas experiments on approximately 4,000 servicemen. The experiments continue until 1945 and made use of Seventh Day Adventists who chose to become human guinea pigs rather than serve on active duty.
1943 In response to Japan's full-scale germ warfare program, the U.S. begins research on biological weapons at Fort Detrick, MD.
1944 U.S. Navy uses human subjects to test gas masks and clothing. Individuals were locked in a gas chamber and exposed to mustard gas and lewisite.
1945 Project Paperclip is initiated. The U.S. State Department, Army intelligence, and the CIA recruit Nazi scientists and offer them immunity and secret identities in exchange for work on top secret government projects in the United States.
1945 "Program F" is implemented by the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). This is the most extensive U.S. study of the health effects of fluoride, which was the key chemical component in atomic bomb production. One of the most toxic chemicals known to man, fluoride, it is found, causes marked adverse effects to the central nervous system but much of the information is squelched in the name of national security because of fear that lawsuits would undermine full-scale production of atomic bombs.
1946 Patients in VA hospitals are used as guinea pigs for medical experiments. In order to allay suspicions, the order is given to change the word "experiments" to "investigations" or "observations" whenever reporting a medical study performed in one of the nation's veteran's hospitals.
1947 Colonel E.E. Kirkpatrick of the U.S. Atomic Energy Comission issues a secret document (Document 07075001, January 8, 1947) stating that the agency will begin administering intravenous doses of radioactive substances to human subjects.
1947 The CIA begins its study of LSD as a potential weapon for use by American intelligence. Human subjects (both civilian and military) are used with and without their knowledge.
1950 Department of Defense begins plans to detonate nuclear weapons in desert areas and monitor downwind residents for medical problems and mortality rates.
1950 In an experiment to determine how susceptible an American city would be to biological attack, the U.S. Navy sprays a cloud of bacteria from ships over San Franciso. Monitoring devices are situated throughout the city in order to test the extent of infection. Many residents become ill with pneumonia-like symptoms.
1951 Department of Defense begins open air tests using disease-producing bacteria and viruses. Tests last through 1969 and there is concern that people in the surrounding areas have been exposed.
1953 U.S. military releases clouds of zinc cadmium sulfide gas over Winnipeg, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Fort Wayne, the Monocacy River Valley in Maryland, and Leesburg, Virginia. Their intent is to determine how efficiently they could disperse chemical agents.
1953 Joint Army-Navy-CIA experiments are conducted in which tens of thousands of people in New York and San Francisco are exposed to the airborne germs Serratia marcescens and Bacillus glogigii.
1953 CIA initiates Project MKULTRA. This is an eleven year research program designed to produce and test drugs and biological agents that would be used for mind control and behavior modification. Six of the subprojects involved testing the agents on unwitting human beings.
1955 The CIA, in an experiment to test its ability to infect human populations with biological agents, releases a bacteria withdrawn from the Army's biological warfare arsenal over Tampa Bay, Fl.
1955 Army Chemical Corps continues LSD research, studying its potential use as a chemical incapacitating agent. More than 1,000 Americans participate in the tests, which continue until 1958.
1956 U.S. military releases mosquitoes infected with Yellow Fever over Savannah, Ga and Avon Park, Fl. Following each test, Army agents posing as public health officials test victims for effects.
1958 LSD is tested on 95 volunteers at the Army's Chemical Warfare Laboratories for its effect on intelligence.
1960 The Army Assistant Chief-of-Staff for Intelligence (ACSI) authorizes field testing of LSD in Europe and the Far East. Testing of the european population is code named Project THIRD CHANCE; testing of the Asian population is code named Project DERBY HAT.
1965 CIA and Department of Defense begin Project MKSEARCH, a program to develop a capability to manipulate human behavior through the use of mind-altering drugs.
1965 Prisoners at the Holmesburg State Prison in Philadelphia are subjected to dioxin, the highly toxic chemical component of Agent Orange used in Viet Nam. The men are later studied for development of cancer, which indicates that Agent Orange had been a suspected carcinogen all along.
1966 CIA initiates Project MKOFTEN, a program to test the toxicological effects of certain drugs on humans and animals.
1966 U.S. Army dispenses Bacillus subtilis variant niger throughout the New York City subway system. More than a million civilians are exposed when army scientists drop lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto ventilation grates.
1967 CIA and Department of Defense implement Project MKNAOMI, successor to MKULTRA and designed to maintain, stockpile and test biological and chemical weapons.
1968 CIA experiments with the possibility of poisoning drinking water by injecting chemicals into the water supply of the FDA in Washington, D.C.
1969 Dr. Robert MacMahan of the Department of Defense requests from congress $10 million to develop, within 5 to 10 years, a synthetic biological agent to which no natural immunity exists.
1970 Funding for the synthetic biological agent is obtained under H.R. 15090. The project, under the supervision of the CIA, is carried out by the Special Operations Division at Fort Detrick, the army's top secret biological weapons facility. Speculation is raised that molecular biology techniques are used to produce AIDS-like retroviruses.
1970 United States intensifies its development of "ethnic weapons" (Military Review, Nov., 1970), designed to selectively target and eliminate specific ethnic groups who are susceptible due to genetic differences and variations in DNA.
1975 The virus section of Fort Detrick's Center for Biological Warfare Research is renamed the Fredrick Cancer Research Facilities and placed under the supervision of the National Cancer Institute (NCI) . It is here that a special virus cancer program is initiated by the U.S. Navy, purportedly to develop cancer-causing viruses. It is also here that retrovirologists isolate a virus to which no immunity exists. It is later named HTLV (Human T-cell Leukemia Virus).
1977 Senate hearings on Health and Scientific Research confirm that 239 populated areas had been contaminated with biological agents between 1949 and 1969. Some of the areas included San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Key West, Panama City, Minneapolis, and St. Louis.
1978 Experimental Hepatitis B vaccine trials, conducted by the CDC, begin in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco. Ads for research subjects specifically ask for promiscuous homosexual men.
1981 First cases of AIDS are confirmed in homosexual men in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco, triggering speculation that AIDS may have been introduced via the Hepatitis B vaccine.
1985 According to the journal Science (227:173-177), HTLV and VISNA, a fatal sheep virus, are very similar, indicating a close taxonomic and evolutionary relationship.
1986 According to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (83:4007-4011), HIV and VISNA are highly similar and share all structural elements, except for a small segment which is nearly identical to HTLV. This leads to speculation that HTLV and VISNA may have been linked to produce a new retrovirus to which no natural immunity exists.
1986 A report to Congress reveals that the U.S. Government's current generation of biological agents includes: modified viruses, naturally occurring toxins, and agents that are altered through genetic engineering to change immunological character and prevent treatment by all existing vaccines.
1987 Department of Defense admits that, despite a treaty banning research and development of biological agents, it continues to operate research facilities at 127 facilities and universities around the nation.
1990 More than 1500 six-month old black and hispanic babies in Los Angeles are given an "experimental" measles vaccine that had never been licensed for use in the United States. CDC later admits that parents were never informed that the vaccine being injected to their children was experimental.
1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.
1994 Senator John D. Rockefeller issues a report revealing that for at least 50 years the Department of Defense has used hundreds of thousands of military personnel in human experiments and for intentional exposure to dangerous substances. Materials included mustard and nerve gas, ionizing radiation, psychochemicals, hallucinogens, and drugs used during the Gulf War.

1995 U.S. Government admits that it had offered Japanese war criminals and scientists who had performed human medical experiments salaries and immunity from prosecution in exchange for data on biological warfare research.
1995 Dr. Garth Nicolson, uncovers evidence that the biological agents used during the Gulf War had been manufactured in Houston, TX and Boca Raton, Fl and tested on prisoners in the Texas Department of Corrections.
1996 Department of Defense admits that Desert Storm soldiers were exposed to chemical agents.
1997 Eighty-eight members of Congress sign a letter demanding an investigation into bioweapons use & Gulf War Syndrome.
© 1998-2000 Health News

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:20:02 AM EDT
damn
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:23:43 AM EDT
I know someone who was given LSD by the Army. He kept having flashbacks and everyone thought he was going nuts. It continued to haunt him long after his discharge until one doctor figured it out. D*** the things that were done to our people by ourselves.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:29:58 AM EDT
Remember the nuke tests in the 50's?

Nuke went off and soldiers were told to march into the dust cloud/debris.

Av
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 7:50:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Avalon01:
Remember the nuke tests in the 50's?

Nuke went off and soldiers were told to march into the dust cloud/debris.

Av



Yep.

Link Posted: 2/15/2006 2:41:57 PM EDT
My father was in the English Territorial Army when he was about 20? about 40? years ago.

One night, the BBC showed some news about ex-soldiers with long term side effects from some experimental vaccine.
He said that he remembered being told that they were looking for volunteers for that vaccine and he thought about doing it.
When he read the contract, he thought "WTF, no way I am doing that", because the small print basically said that the government would not be responsible for anything that happened.

He was sure glad that he didn't take part.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:12:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Avalon01:
Remember the nuke tests in the 50's?

Nuke went off and soldiers were told to march into the dust cloud/debris.

Av



Yep.




IIRC, there was some speculatin that John Wayne's cancer was caused by exposure.
He was supposed to have witnessed an above ground test with US troops.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:15:57 PM EDT
Hell, they still have an entire island that's contaminated with anthrax from WW2 testing.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 3:16:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/15/2006 6:41:43 PM EDT by Noname]
My Dad was a "Atomic Vet"...
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 4:13:01 PM EDT
Don't forget the Tuskeegee experiment where several blacks who had syphillis were monitored over three decades to see how the disease progressed. The experiment continued even after the inventions of antibiotics which whould have easily sured them. The experiment was finally stopped during the Kennedy administration when somebody was looking at funding requests and finally asked why would they want to continue the experiment since it was relatively easy to cure the disease.

The testing was done by the Tuskeegee Institute. Described in the book "Bad Blood" it's a horror story showing how government programs can be allowed to run amok because nobody aksed the most basic questions. Such as "Is it right to keep doing this?"
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:21:39 PM EDT
Our .gov did a lot of the same.
Makes me sad.
Link Posted: 2/15/2006 5:28:28 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:13:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 3:18:09 AM EDT by Merlin]

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Avalon01:
Remember the nuke tests in the 50's?

Nuke went off and soldiers were told to march into the dust cloud/debris.

Av



Yep.




IIRC, there was some speculatin that John Wayne's cancer was caused by exposure.
He was supposed to have witnessed an above ground test with US troops.



Right. And the 100+ cigarettes a day had nothing to do with it.

Actually, in the book "Under the Cloud", they speculate that Wayne and several of his co-stars were exposed to radiation dust during filming of a movie near St. George/Cedar City, UT. The movie called for winds and/or dust to be blowing, so they had big fans to create it. Apparently, a number of the stars later died of cancer, as did Wayne. Don't recall the movie since it was +22 years ago since I read the book.

You have to keep in mind that during that age, most adults smoke, and most, if not all, cigarettes were unfiltered. Different time back then.

Merlin

Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:42:00 AM EDT
Claims for compensation against the ministry by those veterans and Maddison's family are still being considered.

If you ever wanted to know how to say "F___ Off" in government-speak -- there's your answer.



- CD
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:49:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 3:57:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Avalon01:
Remember the nuke tests in the 50's?

Nuke went off and soldiers were told to march into the dust cloud/debris.

Av



Yep.




IIRC, there was some speculatin that John Wayne's cancer was caused by exposure.
He was supposed to have witnessed an above ground test with US troops.



yeah it certianly wasn't the 2 packs a day he smoked!
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:12:55 AM EDT
Tag for later
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:24:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 4:25:43 AM EDT by 71-Hour_Achmed]

Originally Posted By TheOtherDave:
1994 With a technique called "gene tracking," Dr. Garth Nicolson at the MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston, TX discovers that many returning Desert Storm veterans are infected with an altered strain of Mycoplasma incognitus, a microbe commonly used in the production of biological weapons. Incorporated into its molecular structure is 40 percent of the HIV protein coat, indicating that it had been man-made.


I wonder if this might have any relation to "Gulf War Syndrome". Is this for real, or is it tinfoil hat stuff??

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Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
IIRC, there was some speculatin that John Wayne's cancer was caused by exposure.
He was supposed to have witnessed an above ground test with US troops.


I don't know if he was in with the troops for a test, but while filming "The Conqueror", he and the rest of the movie crew were exposed, and 91 of the 220 crew came down with various cancers, of whom 46 died:
www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_016.html


Cecil Adams wrote:
... Of the 220 persons who worked on The Conqueror on location in Utah in 1955, 91 had contracted cancer as of the early 1980s and 46 died of it, including stars John Wayne, Susan Hayward, and Agnes Moorehead, and director Dick Powell. Experts say under ordinary circumstances only 30 people out of a group of that size should have gotten cancer. The cause? No one can say for sure, but many attribute the cancers to radioactive fallout from U.S. atom bomb tests in nearby Nevada. The whole ghastly story is told in The Hollywood Hall of Shame by Harry and Michael Medved. But let's start at the beginning.

...

The movie was shot in the canyonlands around the Utah town of St. George. Filming was chaotic. The actors suffered in 120 degree heat, a black panther attempted to take a bite out of Susan Hayward, and a flash flood at one point just missed wiping out everybody. But the worst didn't become apparent until long afterward. In 1953, the military had tested 11 atomic bombs at Yucca Flats, Nevada, which resulted in immense clouds of fallout floating downwind. Much of the deadly dust funneled into Snow Canyon, Utah, where a lot of The Conqueror was shot. The actors and crew were exposed to the stuff for 13 weeks, no doubt inhaling a fair amount of it in the process, and Hughes later shipped 60 tons of hot dirt back to Hollywood to use on a set for retakes, thus making things even worse.

Many people involved in the production knew about the radiation (there's a picture of Wayne himself operating a Geiger counter during the filming), but no one took the threat seriously at the time. Thirty years later, however, half the residents of St. George had contracted cancer, and veterans of the production began to realize they were in trouble. Actor Pedro Armendariz developed cancer of the kidney only four years after the movie was completed, and later shot himself when he learned his condition was terminal.

Howard Hughes was said to have felt "guilty as hell" about the whole affair, although as far as I can tell it never occurred to anyone to sue him. For various reasons he withdrew The Conqueror from circulation, and for years thereafter the only person who saw it was Hughes himself, who screened it night after night during his paranoid last years.


Link Posted: 2/16/2006 4:59:16 AM EDT
What about the "crop dusting" of biological substances on the east coast and elsewhere back in the day to trend disease transmission, ect. (Really)
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:27:07 AM EDT
IIRC the Gulf War syndrome was thought to be caused by a number of things.
Such as the anthrax vaccine, biological weapons, chemical weapons (nerve gas, mustard gas)
depleted uranium weapons, fumes from oil well fires, pesticides, anti-nerve gas agents.

Basically anything that troops could have been exposed to, during the Gulf War.

Not sure if any, or some of those have been proved to be a/the cause.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:37:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 8:38:39 AM EDT by streetfighter]

Originally Posted By Dracster:
Hell, they still have an entire island that's contaminated with anthrax from WW2 testing.



No, that's clear now

ETA: beaten to it by Vito

Mark
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 1:45:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By Dracster:
Hell, they still have an entire island that's contaminated with anthrax from WW2 testing.



It's been decontaminated now, Gruinard Island



Thanks for the clarification. I remember seeing a show where they were planning to spray the whole island down bit by bit with Formaldahyde(?) or something equally nasty.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 1:51:35 PM EDT
It used to be standard practice in the Army to place a drop of Mustard agent on EOD techs forearm as part of Chemical training.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 5:34:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
It used to be standard practice in the Army to place a drop of Mustard agent on EOD techs forearm as part of Chemical training.



Wow
When did they discontinue doing that?
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