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5/2/2017 2:36:11 AM EDT
I've been using Mint for a few years now, before that i used Ubuntu. I'm very happy with Mint, but was wondering if there are any better distros out there. System requirements won't be an issue.

I've heard good things about Fedora...
5/2/2017 2:45:16 AM EDT
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No such thing as best. It's all subjective. Try them all, stick with the one you like best.
5/2/2017 2:49:19 AM EDT
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This.

Best depends on what you plan to use it for.

I happen to like sparkylinux, but a lot of people have never even heard of that

A second flavor of linux that sees regular use is called Kali, again - not so popular outside of certain circles.

5/2/2017 2:50:06 AM EDT
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Windows 10
5/2/2017 2:50:43 AM EDT
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I liked Zorin, but had issues with it randomly freezing up. I might try it on another machine.
5/2/2017 2:57:24 AM EDT
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Never heard of it. I'm not interested in a buggy, clunky, poorly supported OS.
5/2/2017 3:05:29 AM EDT
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Not my experience at all.


Anyways.. I use Mint when I want a Linux machine and I run Lubuntu on one of my old netbooks as it smokes XP/7/10 on the ole 1.6ghz atom processor lol.
5/2/2017 3:14:29 AM EDT
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There isn't one.  They all suck.

Windows and OSX are the desktop operating systems that run the world.
5/2/2017 3:14:56 AM EDT
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5/2/2017 3:26:59 AM EDT
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Then why are you using Linux?
5/2/2017 3:28:19 AM EDT
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If you've been using either of the two biggest Linux distros for years on the desktop then I'm not sure if there's a better one to tell you about. Maybe if you want to experiment there is more out there, but I'm not sure if you could call it better. If you're just bored there is all kinds of stuff, for instance some salty old sysadmins forked Debian (calling it "Devuan") and finally released their stable version a little over a week ago.

Worse comes worse you can just install Arch and spend all your free time fixing and making pointless tweaks to your OS without ever getting any real work done.
5/2/2017 4:28:31 AM EDT
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Thanks for your input.
5/2/2017 4:43:20 AM EDT
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If you've been using either of the two biggest Linux distros for years on the desktop then I'm not sure if there's a better one to tell you about. Maybe if you want to experiment there is more out there, but I'm not sure if you could call it better. If you're just bored there is all kinds of stuff, for instance some salty old sysadmins forked Debian (calling it "Devuan") and finally released their stable version a little over a week ago.

Worse comes worse you can just install Arch and spend all your free time fixing and making pointless tweaks to your OS without ever getting any real work done.
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Install Gentoo

No seriously, just use *Buntu or Mint... everyone else does (that doesn't use OSX or Windows)
5/2/2017 5:02:40 AM EDT
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Skip that garbage for TempleOS.
5/2/2017 5:38:12 AM EDT
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What he said. None are "best". It's choice.

Personally, I stay with Fedora, since it's the closest to RedHat, which I work with professionally most of the time. I do some Ubuntu, but I don't like it as much. I'm not as familiar with it as well. It's not worse.. it'll do pretty much all the same things.
5/2/2017 5:45:06 AM EDT
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Actually Slackware is the best

Purist distro out there, most unix like. Stil has a package system if you need your hand held.

Best part is, no systemd.
5/2/2017 5:46:19 AM EDT
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He has arrived!
5/2/2017 5:51:17 AM EDT
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Been running Mint for few years, works great.

Have windows 10 on CAD box, good god does it suck. They replaced that stupid fucking paperclip popup with a stupid fucking onedrive popup everytime I save something. Blow it out of the policy and it comes right back. Fuck microsoft and their anti-American workforce too.
5/2/2017 5:57:38 AM EDT
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I think you should use the distribution that you're used to, and works for you. Mint, in your case. 

It's just personal preference. It's still a Linux box, so you're free to make it behave any way you wish, without regard for the distribution you started with once upon a time. 

I stopped using it as a desktop OS quite a while ago. 
5/2/2017 7:14:53 AM EDT
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There's a lot of choice, but there are a few base distributions from which the other ones are derived. I'd start from there and find out the differences between them.
You'll find the largest difference between the base distributions.
The derived distributions usually just have different default package combinations and such but retain the main features from base distribution.
The Wikipedia article has a yuge picture showing the families:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution

Slackware
Debian
SuSE(originally derived from Slackware, but it's own thing now)
Redhat(Fedora/RHEL/CentOS)
Gentoo
Arch
Ubuntu(based on Debian, but has some main differences such as Upstart, popular with new users)

Those would be what I'd consider base distributions, read about those ones to figure out the main differences.
5/2/2017 8:04:08 AM EDT
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Win95. When men were men.

5/2/2017 8:05:06 AM EDT
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i always used Fedora when i used a distro
5/2/2017 8:12:10 AM EDT
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Regular old Ubuntu works perfectly for me.
5/2/2017 8:14:41 AM EDT
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Then stay away from Linux.  I've yet to find a desktop replacement for 10 in any Linux distro.
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This.

Best depends on what you plan to use it for.

I happen to like sparkylinux, but a lot of people have never even heard of that

A second flavor of linux that sees regular use is called Kali, again - not so popular outside of certain circles.

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This again.
Try them all --- I used Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora and am now currently running Zorin and Chapeau and Win 10 on a triple booting laptop.
5/2/2017 8:39:09 AM EDT
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Kali but then again it all depends on what you are doing with it/
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In my opinion, ANY Linux desktop is better than Win 10. Linux doesn't force you to update and it doesn't brick older hardware.
I've had a lot of friends that took that "Free upgrade to Windows 10" to a laptop that was unusable. Rescued them with Linux and
they've been happy ever since.
5/2/2017 8:46:27 AM EDT
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If you live in a very small world, that doesn't include the internet, wall street, the cloud, all telco companies, or the largest retailers in the entire world.  

The desktop OS is irrelevant and it's stupid to focus on it, because it actually doesn't run jack shit that really matters.  

Are you okay with the very likely possibility that the NSA has served those companies with a letter ordering them to install any back doors they demand, not fixing certain vulnerabilities, broken encryption, and ordering those companies to not disclose it?  

Because you'll just never know.
5/2/2017 8:47:36 AM EDT
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5/2/2017 8:51:41 AM EDT
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Purists bash it, but Ubuntu is pretty straight forward and rock solid. Not much more you can ask of an OS. In my opinon the best way to get started with Linux and the Amazon drama can be fixed, so I dont get all the crying about it.
My son is the Linux geek in the house though, he runs some bare bone stuff, mostly commands it seems. I use Windows 7 though.
5/2/2017 8:51:52 AM EDT
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In my opinion, ANY Linux desktop is better than Win 10. Linux doesn't force you to update and it doesn't brick older hardware.
I've had a lot of friends that took that "Free upgrade to Windows 10" to a laptop that was unusable. Rescued them with Linux and
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I had a cousin's kid (13 yo) do a bunch of yard work for me last summer in exchange for a laptop. he got a basic acer laptop, it was 8.1. he upgraded to 10 and it immediately had problems, wouldn't detect the touch pad and no settings or patch we could find would fix it.

swapped it over to Ubuntu and its worked great ever since. I mean, it wasn't an expensive computer, it wasn't old either. win 10 broke the fucker right away.

its also been giving me HELL with my printers at work. sharing fucking doesn't work, and it often thinks the printer location file is a shockwave file and I have to clear the print que and restart the computer before it will print again. which is a fucking pain in the ass when your trying to print checks for parts delivery and they're standing there watching you fiddle with the fucking piece of shit computer.
5/2/2017 8:55:03 AM EDT
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I like Kali
5/2/2017 8:57:53 AM EDT
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In my opinion, ANY Linux desktop is better than Win 10. Linux doesn't force you to update and it doesn't brick older hardware.
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I've had Windows PCs since 3.1.  There's been plenty of shitty versions of Windows, but 10 isn't one of them.  I run multiple versions of Windows and Linux at the house, including Ubuntu, RHEL, Raspbian, CentOS, and Mint.  I've yet to run a desktop Linux that was remotely close to Windows in terms of usability, compatibility, and reliability.  I've had many more Linux desktop crashes than Windows.  The only "plus" to Linux is that you can run older hardware a little while longer.
5/2/2017 9:04:12 AM EDT
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If you live in a very small world, that doesn't include the internet, wall street, the cloud, all telco companies, or the largest retailers in the entire world.  

The desktop OS is irrelevant and it's stupid to focus on it, because it actually doesn't run jack shit that really matters.  

Are you okay with the very likely possibility that the NSA has served those companies with a letter ordering them to install any back doors they demand, not fixing certain vulnerabilities, broken encryption, and ordering those companies to not disclose it?  

Because you'll just never know.    
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There isn't one.  They all suck.

Windows and OSX are the desktop operating systems that run the world.
If you live in a very small world, that doesn't include the internet, wall street, the cloud, all telco companies, or the largest retailers in the entire world.  

The desktop OS is irrelevant and it's stupid to focus on it, because it actually doesn't run jack shit that really matters.  

Are you okay with the very likely possibility that the NSA has served those companies with a letter ordering them to install any back doors they demand, not fixing certain vulnerabilities, broken encryption, and ordering those companies to not disclose it?  

Because you'll just never know.    
The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here.

And to your silly security point, the NSA built the security model for what you think is Linux. Probably didn't even know that, did you?  When was the last time you read the source code for the kernel?  Or any utility you use?  Open source is a nice theory, but it security benefits are not realized in the real world.

If you truly cared about security you would be running openBSD - but even there you're counting on deRaadt to be incorruptible because I know you don't know enough to audit that source code.  And of course BSD isn't packaged up like mint to be all pretty and friendly and such.
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The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here.

And to your silly security point, the NSA built the security model for what you think is Linux. Probably didn't even know that, did you?  When was the last time you read the source code for the kernel?  Or any utility you use?  Open source is a nice theory, but it security benefits are not realized in the real world.

If you truly cared about security you would be running openBSD - but even there you're counting on deRaadt to be incorruptible because I know you don't know enough to audit that source code.  And of course BSD isn't packaged up like mint to be all pretty and friendly and such.
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You don't know what SELinux even is.  It's not a 'security model', it's a mandatory access control layer.  

I was debugging a vmcore a half hour ago.    Is that recent enough?   And I am a contributor to more than one open source projects.  

I see you can't address the likelihood that the NSA already pwnz your toylike desktop operating system, while SELinux ironically keeps them the fuck out of mine.  

Have you audited the source code for YOUR desktop OS?   Has anyone?  

"The real world" runs on Linux baby.   Unless your cubicle is so small that it doesn't include the internet, wall street, public/hybrid cloud, telcos, or any large retailer.  

"The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here. "    

Actually we're talking about the Linux desktop/distro.  So please take your brokeass toy and leave.   Adults are talking now.
5/2/2017 9:38:04 AM EDT
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You don't know what SELinux even is.  It's not a 'security model', it's a mandatory access control layer.  

I was debugging a vmcore a half hour ago.    Is that recent enough?   And I am a contributor to more than one open source projects.  

I see you can't address the likelihood that the NSA already pwnz your toylike desktop operating system, while SELinux ironically keeps them the fuck out of mine.  

Have you audited the source code for YOUR desktop OS?   Has anyone?  

"The real world" runs on Linux baby.   Unless your cubicle is so small that it doesn't include the internet, wall street, public/hybrid cloud, telcos, or any large retailer.  

"The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here. "    

Actually we're talking about the Linux desktop/distro.  So please take your brokeass toy and leave.   Adults are talking now.  
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The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here.

And to your silly security point, the NSA built the security model for what you think is Linux. Probably didn't even know that, did you?  When was the last time you read the source code for the kernel?  Or any utility you use?  Open source is a nice theory, but it security benefits are not realized in the real world.

If you truly cared about security you would be running openBSD - but even there you're counting on deRaadt to be incorruptible because I know you don't know enough to audit that source code.  And of course BSD isn't packaged up like mint to be all pretty and friendly and such.
You don't know what SELinux even is.  It's not a 'security model', it's a mandatory access control layer.  

I was debugging a vmcore a half hour ago.    Is that recent enough?   And I am a contributor to more than one open source projects.  

I see you can't address the likelihood that the NSA already pwnz your toylike desktop operating system, while SELinux ironically keeps them the fuck out of mine.  

Have you audited the source code for YOUR desktop OS?   Has anyone?  

"The real world" runs on Linux baby.   Unless your cubicle is so small that it doesn't include the internet, wall street, public/hybrid cloud, telcos, or any large retailer.  

"The only thing we're talking about is the desktop here. "    

Actually we're talking about the Linux desktop/distro.  So please take your brokeass toy and leave.   Adults are talking now.  
Did you read the OP?  

Anyone who thinks ubuntu and mint are Linux is not talking about servers.

You pretend that your toy grad school project os that runs software the NSA designed is secure because maybe somebody somewhere might have published some source code for it (although you clearly have no idea if the binaries you're running could ever be built from that source) and then proclaim all others cannot be secure because you think it might be possible that the NSA somehow forced Microsoft and Apple to do what they probably did to Linux a decade ago.

It would be comical if it weren't such a ridiculous fantasy.

Adults. Indeed. None on this site for a very long time, especially when this subject comes up and the holy Linux zealot social justice warrior commies come out.

Oh. Btw. Debugging a Vmcore doesn't answer my question.

How much of the Linux Kernel have you audited?  Do you have any idea if the kernel you are running is actually built from that source, with a compiler somebody didnt compromise?
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Tell that to Apple

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Well, i was talking about openBSD although I didn't say it explicitly in that statement...  



I use everything, I'm not an OS zealot, I just think the "let's put grandma on Linux, it's cooler" people are fucking retarded.  Along with the "the whole internet is Linux, so we should all run Linux on the desktop" crowd.

If you want to run Linux go for it.  If you want to make a religion out of it and claim everybody ought to because it's secure and safe from the NSA and whatever other dumbfuckery, I'm going to call people out on it because that's simply provably false.

People who are really and truly concerned about actual security run openBSD.  People who want ease of use for the desktop along with consumer acceptable security run Windows(well, 90% of them do.  The rest run OSX).  Developers tend to run whatever they need to in order to get the job done.  I run just about everything, I've got a ton of VMs set up and I'm running everything from Kali to Windows 10 to openBSD and OSX on this machine right now.
5/2/2017 10:50:19 AM EDT
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Linus Torvalds is suposedly prefers Fedora...

That and I I freaking hate Unity, but the next version of Ubuntu will use gnome as its default desktop enviroment.  I know there is a gnome 3 spin for Ubuntu but it "feels" clunky to me.

The really funny thing is is when Unity was the netbook remix I loved it.