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Posted: 8/16/2005 1:00:17 PM EDT
Just took my wheels and tires for the new H3 in to be mounted and balanced. The tech told me because of the size and wheel design, that they could not be balanced the traditional way, and they would have to use a product called "equal" which goes inside the tire and then balances the tires as they spin? Anyone ever heard of this? Opinions? Thanks
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:01:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 1:01:53 PM EDT by leelaw]
I think he's trying to tell you that your tires are really off-balance.

H3? Why? There are plenty of real trucks/SUVs out there.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:01:47 PM EDT
I use sweet n low myself.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:01:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:02:31 PM EDT
Never heard of such a thing.


Does the stuff move inside the tire?


What is it made out of?

I would find another tire shop and confirm it.

I bet it costs more...am I right?

Sgat1r5

PS And I sent years in the tire biz...ofcourse, that was a while ago...
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:02:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:03:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:04:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I use sweet n low myself.

Bah. Real Sugar's the only way.



Splenda is the wave of the future!
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:04:33 PM EDT
there are two ways to balance a tire that I know of.

1 is where you put lead weights on EACH side of the rim as needed. This is the best way.

@: is to add weights only on the INSIDE ONLY of the rim. This is usually only on mag wheels so the weight won't be seen. Not as effective IMHO.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:06:01 PM EDT
Sounds like a gimmick. An EXPENSIVE gimmick. I hate oil change/tire places for this reason.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:06:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
www.imiproducts.com/equal/tire-balancing.aspx

This?



I would NOT use that crap.

No way in hell.

SGat21r5
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:08:24 PM EDT
Nevermind.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:09:01 PM EDT
Thank you for the input
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:09:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:
www.imiproducts.com/equal/tire-balancing.aspx

This?



I would NOT use that crap.

No way in hell.

SGat21r5



Do you have experience with or knowlege about this?
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:10:40 PM EDT
Real sugar for me.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:13:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 1:16:44 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By Johninaustin:
Sounds like a gimmick. An EXPENSIVE gimmick. I hate oil change/tire places for this reason.



Its like an engine flush. Sounds like un needed bunk to get more money out of you.

I would get a second opinion for sure.

ETA looked at the link. Looks like snake oil to me. If they tell you its mandatory they are thieves and incompetent. Never go back there again. If you can afford an H3 you can afford the stealership. May as well go there.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:16:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Do you have experience with or knowlege about this?



I have no experience with that product per se. But I have broken down MANY tires that had fix-a-flat in them. And it made a HUGE mess PLUS the propellant was flamable IIRC.

Anytime you are spraying anything INSIDE you tire THRU the value stem other than air and you are asking for trouble. If this stuff REALLY was a good idea then all the tire makers would be reccomending it.


Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:20:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 1:22:26 PM EDT by 89grand]
I doesn't sound like anyone knows anything about this product at all, let alone being able to tell you NOT to use it.

Do some more research somewhere else before you decide that this idea sucks...somewhere like maybe a truck forum.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:21:12 PM EDT
Here we go.

do you know anything about H3's ?

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:21:25 PM EDT
At the company I worked for back east they used it in our Dump truck fleet, steering tires only (early 90's). They never balanced drive tires at all.

I never heard of it being used in passenger vehicles, but with the size tires have evolved into these days, it doesnt surprise me.

Kinda like a sand, our head mechanic, who was a very sharp knife, swore by it.


Knowing what I learned about it from him, I would probably try it, back then, iirc, it was $25 aa packets (read per truck tire), and put in the tire at rim install time.

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:23:58 PM EDT
I hear golf balls work.......
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:24:55 PM EDT
Super bogus stuff. Especially when they put the requirement to use dry air. I would sense that an exchange between you and the tire shop would go like this in 6 months.


mknherhappy: My H3 is vibrating worse than Jenna Jameson's personal collection.

tire shop: Ok we'll take a look at it.

(Two Hours Later)

tire shop: Was one of your tires low on air, and did you top it off?

mkn: Yeah I had to put 5 lbs in each tire.

tire shop: Sorry sir, the air you put in there wasn't "dry air" and now the equal is all clumped up. You could have brought it in and we would have serviced all the tires for a nominal fee of 14.99 per tire plus tax. Now we're going to have to de mount the tires and re mount them that'll bee 49.99 per tire for labor plus another 18.99 per tire for new equal.

mkn: &%&&&^% %^&^^%$#$%^&*&^%$$%%^^&&&%$$$%^&&*#@@@!@#$%^
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:25:08 PM EDT
I believe it is a powder, often used to balance tires on highway buses and OTR trucks. After inserting it into the tire, the powder is tossed around for a short time, then eventually finds the out-of-balance spot and remains there.

Need to service the tires with dry nitrogen instead of shop air, because moisture in shop air can allow the powder to become a solid mass of material and flop around, causing a serious imbalance.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:26:48 PM EDT
Google Motherfuckers!

EQUAL Tire Balancer

EQUAL is a dry polymer tire balancer that can be injected into tires directly through the valve stem. Once inside the tire cavity, EQUAL granules are forced across the tread width and around the circumference of the tire, responding to force variations caused by non-uniformities within the tire, the road and even the load. EQUAL balances as the load and speed change to maintain a vibration-free, stable footprint.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:28:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GAU5-A-A:

Need to service the tires with dry nitrogen instead of shop air, because moisture in shop air can allow the powder to become a solid mass of material and flop around, causing a serious imbalance.



So that means you can never add air to it yourself right?


That would be a MAJOR problem IMHO.

Sgat1r5
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:30:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mknherhappy:
Just took my wheels and tires for the new H3 in to be mounted and balanced. The tech told me because of the size and wheel design, that they could not be balanced the traditional way, and they would have to use a product called "equal" which goes inside the tire and then balances the tires as they spin? Anyone ever heard of this? Opinions? Thanks



I would say the fact that they told you they cannot balance the traditional way is reason enough to stay away from them. Its not like GM had to use their product the first time.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:32:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/16/2005 1:34:04 PM EDT by darwindog]
Take you brand new $40k truck to the dealership to get the tires balanced. Don't go to Jimmy down the road.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:39:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By darwindog:
Take you brand new $40k truck to the dealership to get the tires balanced. Don't go to Jimmy down the road.



You REALLY think the guy balance tires at the dealership is ASE certified or knows any more than the dealer?

Because you would be wrong.

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:40:32 PM EDT
Why a damn H3?

Get a real Hummer an H1.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:46:22 PM EDT
They work. Same principle as using sand or antifreeze.

They have been doing stuff like this in big trucks for quite a while.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:52:15 PM EDT
What brand of tires are you mounting? I've seen some new tires with excessive runout.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:55:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 1:56:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 6:06:22 PM EDT
i have 36" tsl tires on my bronco, i have a bad vibration around 65.
i have looked into several differnent methods of fixing this problem.
i was going to use golf ball, then steel bb's, but decided on using 12 gram airsoft pellets instead.
they are smaller than golf balls, so should do a better job, they wont rust like the bb's will.
search on pirate4x4.com. you should find some more information about this on there.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 6:09:42 PM EDT
I run 35's on my 85' blazer. I rotate every 5k, and balance. Big tires are harder and require more weight but I see it done all the time.
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:43:12 PM EDT
33 X 12.5 X 20" Toyo Open Country MT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:46:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DnPRK:
What brand of tires are you mounting? I've seen some new tires with excessive runout.



33 X 12.5 X 20" Toyo Open Country MT
Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:47:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sgtar15:

Originally Posted By darwindog:
Take you brand new $40k truck to the dealership to get the tires balanced. Don't go to Jimmy down the road.



You REALLY think the guy balance tires at the dealership is ASE certified or knows any more than the dealer?

Because you would be wrong.

Sgatr15



That post made no sense. Are you questioning the ability of the dealer mechanic or of "jimmy down the road"?

Link Posted: 8/16/2005 7:53:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/17/2005 3:17:10 AM EDT by entropy]
I use it in my class A motorhome. 19.5 inch tires, 8 of 'em.

Works great. Thing weighd 17,000 LB, and the balance is excellent.

What is even better is that you can rotate the tires without having them rebalanced.



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