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Posted: 8/25/2005 8:35:24 AM EDT
THE boner gets some much needed upgrades
but remeber if elseworth afb close where would the 20 or so b1 bombers go. and the congress and af finnaly get the big picture it is the b1 bomber that will do the heavy bombing in the future not the f-22 or the f-35 read red part if you dont believe me. WARPLANES: B-1B Gets Upgrades, Work, But No Respect August 25, 2005: The U.S. Air Force is betting lots of money on its B-1B bomber, an aircraft that was the victim of many cancellation attempts, and the butt of many jokes because of that. But in the end, or at least as of today, the B-1B turned out to be a good investment. The B-1B carries more bombs than any other American heavy bomber. It can also move fast (about 1,500 kilometers an hour) if it needs to, and is stealthy. The B-1B played a major role in the 2001 campaign in Afghanistan, where eight of them dropped 40 percent of the total bomb tonnage. In Iraq in 2003, eleven B-1B's, four B-2A's and 28 B-52H's were used. These 43 aircraft flew some 500 missions, and were responsible for dropping a third of the bombs that hit targets during the campaign. More importantly, these heavy bombers were able to circle up there for hours, waiting for the ground troops to call for another smart bomb. Even though the B-1B costs, compared to the B-52, twice as much per hour to operate, it carries more bombs, and has a longer useful life than the B-52s (which are twenty years older). Most of the B-1Bs equipment is 1980s vintage. So the air force has been investing in upgrades, upgrades that make the B-1B better at doing what it does best. The 67 B-1Bs (on active duty) are being equipped with much improved fire control systems. This allows them to use the latest smart bombs (like JASSM and SDB), and makes it possible for the B-1B to use smart bombs to hit moving targets (ships or land vehicles.) B-1Bs have gotten radar, cockpit and other upgrades as well. The major reason for investing money in the B-1B is because, despite all the attention, and cash, given to the new F-22 and F-35, it’s the B-1B that will do most of the work in any future war. Congress has been so impressed with the B-1B that they have been pressuring the air force to activate the B-1Bs that were deactivated. The air force doesn’t want to do this. For one thing, it would cost over $150 million, each, to bring those aircraft back to active service (upgraded equipment must be installed, and other components refurbished or replaced). Moreover, as the Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns demonstrated, you don’t need many B-1Bs to get the job done. The air force budget is already under tremendous pressure because of the senior leadership wanting to get the F-22 and F-35 into production, and built in large numbers. But the generals know they would be in big trouble if another war came along and they did not have a dozen or so B-1Bs ready to go. It’s more likely the absence of F-22s and F-35s would not be noticed. But the B-1Bs would definitely be missed. The air force is likely to cut purchases for the new JSASSM cruise missile (which is having development problems), before it does anything to the B-1B (which can carry 24 of these missiles) upgrade budget. The JASSM is only needed if there is an opponent with a modern air defense system to hit. At the moment, only China qualifies, and only in places. Another bomber weapon having some problems is the SBD (the 250 pound Small Diameter smart Bomb). The B-1B can carry over a hundred of these, which would be real handy in a future war. The air force may sacrifice JASSM to keep the SDB alive, and ready for use in B-1Bs. The B-1B is a lot easier to use than the B-2 (with its hard to maintain “radar absorbing” skin.) The B-1B may not have gotten much respect over the years, but when there’s a war, it always gets the call. boner |
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That may be a bit of an overstatement since the B-1 was not used in combat until this century. |
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Always thought the B-1 was a beautiful aircraft. Glad to see tax dollars I paid in the 80's weren't all wasted.
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Dyess has more than enough ramp space for all the combat B-1s we still have.
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LOL +1 |
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Yes it is an overstatement. But the B-1 did get used a little in the last century, they where first used in combat against Iraq during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998. |
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The Buffs are scheduled to fly until around 2050. I don't know when the Bones are due to retire. Nobody makes planes like Boeing used to. Mark my words it will be a KC-135 that refuels the last KC-10 on it's way to AMARC. |
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You are correct sir. Must have missed that one - was living overseas at the time so I didn't have full US media at my disposal. |
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guys the people that made that headline not me i use what headline they had for the story.
now yes we all no the bone did not get to be used till 98 but from 98 -05 it is one of the hardest working bombers ever and they need to retire some big ugly fat farts better known as the b-52 and replace them with the b-1s or even a couple more b-2s. the bone and the a-10 our in good company the airfarce and the dickheads in congress swear we dont need them but sure enough a crisis arises and their the first called. |
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They were used in against Serbia aswell...I remember reading someone's flying cross citation (B1 Electronic Warfare Officer) for avoiding SAMs over Serbia. |
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Absolutely. I always liked it. Then again, I love the way the f-111 looks too. |
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No, there have been lots of B-52 retired before any B-1 were. The Air Force retired about 30 of the B-1's recently. Out of the 744 B-52's that were built, only 95 are still in service. You don't want to know what happened to most of the retired B-52s. |
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Save our B-1's.
Could be worse, though. Russia only has like 10 Tu-160's flying. |
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My son was an air traffic controller at Ellsworth AFB for 2 1/2 years. The B1's are a great plane, but do need a lot of maintenance and he never could figure out why a billion dollar plane has a $20 radio in it. Worst plane to communicate with he ever dealt with. There were a few very tense landings while he was on duty. Luckily good pilots saved the day.
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You mean the big guillotine on a crane. |
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elseworth afb has been spared so the boners will stay were they belong.
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Sadly, they would be shipped to AMARC where they would get "stored" or "recycled". |
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I saw one come in for a landing once on an exercise (the local AFB is right across from downtown, so you can always see the pretty birds flying) B-1 looks like a crane or stork in flight. Strange looking. |
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Wrong. They would be sent to the other B1 base... Cant remember the name right now. |
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So, apparently, they're planning on getting 100+ years of 'useful life' out of the B-1B, too... |
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There's plenty of room in Texas. Edit: I love the F-14 and F-16, but I'm sorry, the B-1 is simply the most beautiful plane ever designed. Driving down I-20 one day I had the honor of watching B-1's tool around Dyess and the surrounding area. I drove for probably 5 miles looking out my T-tops instead of the front windshield, just so I could watch them. |
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SO they are putting fully combat worthy B-1's out to grass while keeping the 'B-52 Flying Dinosaur' in service? WTF!!! B-52's are slow and have a bigger radar return than the Empire State Building! B-1… faster, more bombs, small radar signature and can operate in harms way. ANdy |
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There are enough B-52's in the boneyard and in museums to get parts off of for the next 40 years.
There were no "rolling parts bins" for the B-1 until they put those ones out to pasture. They say it comes down to money, but in reality when they built the B-2 they only bought so many spares, and a lot of them are gone. I had a few friends who got out of the Navy and went to work for Rockwell building the B-1. I remember that they were really hoping that the Air Force and the DOD were going to keep the production lines open for another year or so to build a bunch of spare parts kits. Never happened.
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KA3B ty for that post it is a shame to see a b-1 put to paster but i see your point there is plenty of spares for the ones that our left.
now it would be nice if the assforce pulls their head out of their asses and does bring back 10 or more bones. |
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yw for my part of it.i always liked the b-1 and the a-10 the 2 most hated plane of the airforce brass. but allways loved when a war is on. |
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brass you got to be happy they did not go to texas. they stayed where they belong.
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Very much. Captain there got me on the tarmac for photos, cockpit couldn't take pix, but it is WAY cramped for 4 guys. The odd thing about the B1 is it sort of violates basic tenets of architecture, as in being much larger inside than it looks from the outside, especially the bomb compartments. |
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brass did you try to take a free bomber flight.or borrow a bomb. |
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I am afraid of flying, but they offered to take me up in a chaser jet. Yeah, I am a pansy. |
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now that would have been cool for pictures being in the chaser plane. no comment on the pansy girl part. |
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You see, the problem with a civie in back makes the pilot want to test out his G-Suit and stuff. |
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yup they will do that to. what type of plane is the chaser plane. |
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Didn't get that far. I said "no" when they asked if I wanted to go up... |
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so let me get this straight you get to feel up a bomber but our to scared to go play with the little bitty chase plane. joking of course. |
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They like to do that with anybody that gets to ride in one, not just civilians. When I got my ride in the back seat of a F-15E the pilot sure showed me how the g-suit works. |
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Correct! I would rate it one notch below running a couple belts through a minigun... Some things are better left "un-topped" |
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