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Posted: 11/21/2003 2:11:24 PM EDT

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Before I say what the stink is, I want members to see if they "get" it. Because I do think this guy was taking a pot-shot, albiet a well deserved on.

If you're stumped, consider whether there's any religious criticism going on here.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:14:56 PM EDT

[#1]

I don't get it.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:15:11 PM EDT

[#2]

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:16:33 PM EDT

[#3]

Slam on Islam! Note the moon on the door.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:17:09 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

OK. What am I missing?

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:20:00 PM EDT

[#5]

I get it, I get it. Oh, no I don't.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:20:40 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Quoted:

OK. What am I missing?

The crescent moon has been a symbol of Islam for ~~hundreds~~ thousands of years...As I recall, Green was the favored color of the crescent moon/the flags it may fly on, but I could be mistaken.

(edited to strike out hundreds and replace with thousands; forgot what year it was.

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Posted: 11/21/2003 2:21:01 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Slam on Islam! Note the moon on the door.

i dont know about you, but I've seen lots of shitters in the woods with moons in the door.

Add me to the huh? list.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:23:18 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Slam on Islam! Note the moon on the door.

i dont know about you, but I've seen lots of shitters in the woods with moons in the door.

Add me to the huh? list.

I was thinking the same thing.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:23:47 PM EDT

[#9]

The moon on the outhouse door and the moon in the sky are symbols of islam, I guess he is saying that Islam is crap. The BC guy is some kind of holy roller.

I haven't seen that cartoon in awhile, I didn't realize it was still around.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:26:52 PM EDT

[#10]

Well, considering it was published the day after a bombing in Saudi, I saw it as an jab at "Islam"

The CAIR folks have their panties in a wad too, free speech notwithstanding.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A2184-2003Nov20.html

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:30:37 PM EDT

[#11]

Cartoon Raises a Stink
Some See Slur Against Islam in a 'B.C.' Outhouse Strip
By Gene Weingarten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 21, 2003; Page C01

Did Johnny Hart -- the beloved creator of "B.C." and one of the most widely read cartoonists on Earth -- sneak a vulgar defamation of Islam into the comics pages last week?

The question was raised yesterday by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), a Washington-based civil rights group, in an e-mail to its membership.

Hart and his syndicate say no -- that a simple, straightforward joke is being misconstrued. That may well be true, but the 73-year-old cartoonist's history of evangelizing his Christian beliefs through his comic cavemen have left many people doubtful.

The cartoon, which appeared Nov. 10 in more than 1,200 newspapers worldwide -- including The Washington Post -- shows a caveman entering an outhouse at night, and then saying, from inside, "Is it just me, or does it stink in here?"

The first public questioning of this cartoon arose in a washingtonpost.com chat Tuesday, when a reader noted that the cartoon seemed to make no sense, except metaphorically. The reader noted that the cartoon contained six crescent moons -- three in the sky, and three on the outhouse door -- and wondered if this might have been a veiled slur on the world's 1 billion practicing Muslims.

The CAIR e-mail mentioned the moons, and also noted that Hart had drawn a prominent sound effect -- "SLAM" -- between two frames to accompany the closing of the outhouse door. The SLAM was stacked vertically, in the shape of an I, and could be seen to signify "Islam." The cartoon appeared on the 15th day of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month.

In the past, Hart has gotten into trouble for religious-themed strips -- most notably on one recent Easter Sunday when his strip showed the seven candles of a Jewish menorah being extinguished, one by one, with each image accompanied by one of Jesus Christ's last utterances. As the last flame disappeared, and the words "It is finished" appeared, the menorah became a cross.

Many Jewish readers were outraged, claiming Hart was making the argument that Christianity had extinguished Judaism as a "better" religion. Hart denied it, protesting that the cartoon was intended to honor both religions. To many, his explanation seemed hollow.

Asked about the outhouse strip this week, Hart denied that it was about Islam at all. He said that interpretation stunned him.

"My goodness. That's incredible. That's unbelievable!"

He said it was just a "silly" bathroom joke, wrapped around the cliche "Is it just me, or . . . ?" According to Hart, the joke was about the ambiguous authorship of a bad smell. The SLAM, Hart said, was simply there to show that the caveman had walked into the outhouse. The crescent moons were there to indicate it was nighttime, and because outhouses have crescent moons.

"This comic was in no way intended to be a message against Islam -- subliminal or otherwise," he said. "It would be contradictory to my own faith as a Christian to insult other people's beliefs. If you should have any further silly notions about malicious intent from this quarter, you can save yourself a phone call."

Richard S. Newcombe, the president of Creators Syndicate, said any religious interpretation is "reading too much into it."

Hart, he said, often uses sound effects in his strips, and crescent moons to indicate nighttime. Plus, he has never been at all subtle in his religious strips, Newcombe said; "Why would he suddenly become Hercule Poirot, secretly planting clues?"

I would just write it off to coincidence with anyone else, but this is kind of his style, I suspect he is just being more subtle after he got in trouble for the jewish thing (which he also denied)

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:39:43 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:

OK. What am I missing?

The crescent moon has been a symbol of Islam for ~~hundreds~~ thousands of years...As I recall, Green was the favored color of the crescent moon/the flags it may fly on, but I could be mistaken.

(edited to strike out hundreds and replace with thousands; forgot what year it was. )

You were right the first time. It is a POST CHRIST religion. That means under 2000 years. Not sure of the exact date, but I think its 500ad or so.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:41:55 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
You were right the first time. It is a POST CHRIST religion. That means under 2000 years. Not sure of the exact date, but I think its 500ad or so.

Still over 1000 years, depending on which calander you follow...but true, it hasen't crossed the 2k mark yet.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:44:58 PM EDT

[#14]

The man who does that cartoon is a Christian.

I saw an artical about him years ago. He often vents about hipocracy, & anti God ideas therough B.C. Kinda of ironic given the name of the cartoon huh?

I would have to agree 100% with what he's saying in this one, but some folks(non of us)Will just never be able to figure out why Sheite stinks.Kinda like where there is stink, there is shite.

Posted: 11/21/2003 2:52:03 PM EDT

[#15]

So whats the stink ?
Freedom of speech , freedom of the press, and freedom of religon are still intact.
Aren't they?

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:02:35 PM EDT

[#16]

Eric The(AmenCorner)Hun

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:05:54 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

The CAIR folks have their panties in a wad too, free speech notwithstanding.

Pretty much anything that annoys CAIR is a-okay by me.

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:20:09 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Cartoon Raises a Stink
Some See Slur Against Islam in a 'B.C.' Outhouse Strip
By Gene Weingarten
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, November 21, 2003; Page C01

In the past, Hart has gotten into trouble for religious-themed strips -- most notably on one recent Easter Sunday when his strip showed the seven candles of a Jewish menorah being extinguished, one by one, with each image accompanied by one of Jesus Christ's last utterances. As the last flame disappeared, and the words "It is finished" appeared, the menorah became a cross.

Many Jewish readers were outraged, claiming Hart was making the argument that Christianity had extinguished Judaism as a "better" religion. Hart denied it, protesting that the cartoon was intended to honor both religions. To many, his explanation seemed hollow.

Outraged by that? That's insane! The fact that Jesus was born Jewish (from the house of David) and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice, thus establishing a new covenant with God, is a fundamental tenet of every Christian denomination. It is taught every week in countless thousands of churches throughout the world. And they get upset because it is procalimed in a comic strip? Sheesh!

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:23:33 PM EDT

[#19]

They better live with it. Freedom of the press and all.

Cresents have been on outt houses for a hundred years in America so I think they are trying to hijack an American symbol.

I doubt there are many outhouses left in the hills of KY & TN. However, I would strongly suggest unless the moslems have a death wish they refrain from playing moslems and hillbillys!!

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:29:01 PM EDT

[#20]

Now why the heck did they choose a shithouse door to symbolize their religon

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:48:21 PM EDT

[#21]

He gets it right.

Posted: 11/21/2003 3:59:39 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:
Now why the heck did they choose a shithouse door to symbolize their religon

Could be one branch is Shi'ite.....(do the math there...)

Could also be, well, it's a collection point for waste.

But, hey, I'm no professional at the intrepretation of another person's thoughts...

Posted: 11/21/2003 4:09:43 PM EDT

[#23]

Even if you don't think the Islamic symbol reference was intentional, there's still a comment there regarding people.

Most people think their own shit doesn't stink. Well, it does.

That would be the most obvious non-religious interpretation.

This gives me a great idea: I'm going to start painting the bowls of toilets with the Islamic crescent moon, in utterly water-and-chemical proof DuPont Imron paint, in bright green.

Be patriotic! Buy one of these toilets, and when you have to take a shit, shit on Islam!

I'm sure I could sell a shitload, pardon the pun.

The problem is that it wouldn't be fair. Not all Islamics are terrorists, and not all terrorists are Islamic. Just enough to forge a bad stereotype.

I'd STILL sell a lot of paintjobs...and be the subject of my very own fatwa, too!

CJ

CJ

Posted: 11/21/2003 4:28:56 PM EDT

[#24]

Why, yes! Islam does stink. WTF is the problem here?

Posted: 11/21/2003 10:36:14 PM EDT

[#25]

That's some deep shit.

Posted: 11/22/2003 3:55:11 AM EDT

[#26]

i have been reading Johnny Harts cartoons ever since they appeared in comic strips, & he has used crescent moons long before those A-Rabs attacked us on Sept. 11, 2001

those damn muslims just want to whine as do the scumsucking liberals....!!!

Posted: 11/22/2003 4:18:46 AM EDT

[#27]

The The Council on American-Islamic Relations is actually a front for insensitive culturally ignorant asshats that thinkby being offended they will generate sympathy and money.

They only shows their own ignorance of, and their bias against american cultural history. They should be sent back to some muslim shithole and left to rot.

Posted: 11/22/2003 2:35:08 PM EDT

[#28]

Isn't CAIR the bunch tht recomended the "chaplins" for Gitmo that have been arrested as traitors?

Posted: 11/22/2003 2:36:03 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
They better live with it. Freedom of the press and all.

Cresents have been on outt houses for a hundred years in America so I think they are trying to hijack an American symbol.

I doubt there are many outhouses left in the hills of KY & TN. However, I would strongly suggest unless the moslems have a death wish they refrain from playing moslems and hillbillys!!

If I was from TN or KY I would demand an apology from CAIR for Islam defaming my character.

Posted: 11/22/2003 6:13:24 PM EDT

[#30]

Thats the stupidest thing I ever heard, a moon on a shit house door is pretty common, look for pics of an outhouse over the last 75 years.

For a nasty Islamic hate group to be offended is not suprising. They can use it as an excuse to kill some helpless guy driving down the street.

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