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10/26/2007 8:29:50 AM EDT
I am applying for my FFL & SOT and just spoke with an agent who will be visiting me Nov. 6th for the inspection.  I just want to know what to expect from their visit.  She told me on the phone that a Brownells log book would be good to have and that should be arriving soon.  Any advice from FFL folks would be great.

10/26/2007 8:30:34 AM EDT
[#1]
Watch yer corn hole bud.
10/26/2007 8:31:13 AM EDT
[#2]
hide your dogs
10/26/2007 8:32:36 AM EDT
[#3]
10/26/2007 8:33:07 AM EDT
[#4]
Temporarily relocate the dogs.  Remember who you're dealing with.

Burn
All
Them
Fuckers
10/26/2007 8:33:47 AM EDT
[#5]
if they're coming for a visit then you're as good as approved so long as your zoning and property/storage is as you described it to them in the application

when they visited me it was basically a 3 hour chat about what i'm responsible for on my end

good luck
10/26/2007 8:34:02 AM EDT
[#6]
BATFEces.

(good luck)
10/26/2007 8:34:08 AM EDT
[#7]
Dogs will be gone

Just a little nervous.  Getting into the gun business so this is all new to me.  Never have had any experience with the ATF before.  Just want everything to go smooth.
10/26/2007 8:35:53 AM EDT
[#8]
Do I need 4473's or will they have some for me?
10/26/2007 9:02:46 AM EDT
[#9]

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Do I need 4473's or will they have some for me?


They will send you a bunch of 4473s.

Expect to talk for awhile about the secure storage of your firearms.  You need a good safe and controlled access to the building to keep them happy.  Also, if you have any questions about bound book procedures, NOW is the time to ask.

Be yourself, be friendly, they will be friendly.  They are looking to give you a license here and its just part of the job to them.  There is NO reason to be afraid or even nervous.  They will talk to you for a bit about what you can and cannot do with the license you've applied for.  Don't joke about zombie invasions or Red Dawn, or wear a tshirt that says "The South Will Rise Again".  Make sure that you indicate that you want the SOT for research and development and law enforcement sales, not because you always wanted an M16 since you were a kid and this is the only way you can afford one.

If you aren't OBVIOUSLY inappropriate they will issue you the license.  Be cool.


Thanks for the advise.  I plan on wearing dress slacks and a dress shirt.  I want to represent my business as professional as I can.  I do have a fireproof Liberty safe that only I have access to, that will be used for storing firearms for the business.  I have been approved for zoning in the city I live in for business out of my home and I have a valid business license.  I also have a website that I will be using for business, not sure if they will need that information or not.  

So it sounds like if everything goes well with the agents I should be up and running soon.  How long after the visit does it take to get my FFL?  

After that it is the fun part of paying someone to build my site, which costs a pretty penny!!
10/26/2007 9:08:55 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Do I need 4473's or will they have some for me?


They will send you a bunch of 4473s.

Expect to talk for awhile about the secure storage of your firearms.  You need a good safe and controlled access to the building to keep them happy.  Also, if you have any questions about bound book procedures, NOW is the time to ask.

Be yourself, be friendly, they will be friendly.  They are looking to give you a license here and its just part of the job to them.  There is NO reason to be afraid or even nervous.  They will talk to you for a bit about what you can and cannot do with the license you've applied for.  Don't joke about zombie invasions or Red Dawn, or wear a tshirt that says "The South Will Rise Again".  Make sure that you indicate that you want the SOT for research and development and law enforcement sales, not because you always wanted an M16 since you were a kid and this is the only way you can afford one.

If you aren't OBVIOUSLY inappropriate they will issue you the license.  Be cool.


Thanks for the advise.  I plan on wearing dress slacks and a dress shirt.  I want to represent my business as professional as I can.  I do have a fireproof Liberty safe that only I have access to, that will be used for storing firearms for the business.  I have been approved for zoning in the city I live in for business out of my home and I have a valid business license.  I also have a website that I will be using for business, not sure if they will need that information or not.  

So it sounds like if everything goes well with the agents I should be up and running soon.  How long after the visit does it take to get my FFL?  

After that it is the fun part of paying someone to build my site, which costs a pretty penny!!



since now is the time to ask questions.. .

is mentioning the website a good idea..  

I always thought they didnt think highly of gunshow/websales only dealers ?


just asking since there seems to be people with experience in the matter here,,  

10/26/2007 9:12:30 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Do I need 4473's or will they have some for me?


They will send you a bunch of 4473s.

Expect to talk for awhile about the secure storage of your firearms.  You need a good safe and controlled access to the building to keep them happy.  Also, if you have any questions about bound book procedures, NOW is the time to ask.

Be yourself, be friendly, they will be friendly.  They are looking to give you a license here and its just part of the job to them.  There is NO reason to be afraid or even nervous.  They will talk to you for a bit about what you can and cannot do with the license you've applied for.  Don't joke about zombie invasions or Red Dawn, or wear a tshirt that says "The South Will Rise Again".  Make sure that you indicate that you want the SOT for research and development and law enforcement sales, not because you always wanted an M16 since you were a kid and this is the only way you can afford one.

If you aren't OBVIOUSLY inappropriate they will issue you the license.  Be cool.


Thanks for the advise.  I plan on wearing dress slacks and a dress shirt.  I want to represent my business as professional as I can.  I do have a fireproof Liberty safe that only I have access to, that will be used for storing firearms for the business.  I have been approved for zoning in the city I live in for business out of my home and I have a valid business license.  I also have a website that I will be using for business, not sure if they will need that information or not.  

So it sounds like if everything goes well with the agents I should be up and running soon.  How long after the visit does it take to get my FFL?  

After that it is the fun part of paying someone to build my site, which costs a pretty penny!!



since now is the time to ask questions.. .

is mentioning the website a good idea..  

I always thought they didnt think highly of gunshow/websales only dealers ?


just asking since there seems to be people with experience in the matter here,,  



Good question!  Thanks for the feedback guys.  Just want to do things RIGHT!!  If anybody can think of anything or has feedback please chime in.
10/26/2007 9:13:09 AM EDT
[#12]

Quoted:
Make sure that you indicate that you want the SOT for research and development and law enforcement sales, not because you always wanted an M16 since you were a kid and this is the only way you can afford one.


Don't you need a letter from a LE agency in order to get post '86 "samples"?

And does one letter let you acquire all the post samples you wish, from M16s to Tommy guns to a Lewis?  Or does the letter need to specify makes/models?
10/26/2007 9:35:47 AM EDT
[#13]

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No tips but here is to good luck wotuh your new business. May you make piles of cash!


as an FFL?

10/26/2007 9:40:04 AM EDT
[#14]

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I would leave out a little snack plate with cigarettes and beer.


Who's coming,Santa ?

Good Luck
10/26/2007 9:41:50 AM EDT
[#15]

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No tips but here is to good luck wotuh your new business. May you make piles of cash!


as an FFL?



Damn, I hate to agree with TexRdnec, but there it is.  2 1/2 years, thousands of man hours, lots of stress, and not a dime in any of our pockets.  Yay.
10/26/2007 9:43:18 AM EDT
[#16]

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I would leave out a little snack plate with cigarettes Cuban cigars and beer moonshine.
10/26/2007 9:48:56 AM EDT
[#17]

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No tips but here is to good luck wotuh your new business. May you make piles of cash!


as an FFL?



Damn, I hate to agree with TexRdnec, but there it is.  2 1/2 years, thousands of man hours, lots of stress, and not a dime in any of our pockets.  Yay.


I agree that not a lot will be made from firearms sales.  The markup isn't a whole lot.  Its all the other stuff that I will be selling that I should turn a profit on.  This will be a part time gig until it I can justify doing it full time.  I will remain optimistic in my future endeavors!!

10/26/2007 9:58:47 AM EDT
[#18]

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No tips but here is to good luck wotuh your new business. May you make piles of cash!


as an FFL?



Damn, I hate to agree with TexRdnec, but there it is.  2 1/2 years, thousands of man hours, lots of stress, and not a dime in any of our pockets.  Yay.


I agree that not a lot will be made from firearms sales.  The markup isn't a whole lot.  Its all the other stuff that I will be selling that I should turn a profit on.  This will be a part time gig until it I can justify doing it full time.  I will remain optimistic in my future endeavors!!



by all means remain optimistic and i wish you the best of luck in it.

however, be prepared.  for every good customer there are 10 cumgargling monkeymounting sonsofbitches waiting around the corner that will have you waste days getting them prices and information so that they can then buy something online and save 5%................... or any other of the wonderful scenarios i've run across.  
10/26/2007 9:59:03 AM EDT
[#19]
You probably spoke to an inspector, who does not have arrest authority.


You have it made, they will have a little interest in your business plan and it sounds like you have all bases covered.


Charge 50 for transfers and that will pay for your FFL and yearly SOT in no time.
10/26/2007 10:02:34 AM EDT
[#20]

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by all means remain optimistic and i wish you the best of luck in it.

however, be prepared.  for every good customer there are 10 cumgargling monkeymounting sonsofbitches waiting around the corner that will have you waste days getting them prices and information so that they can then buy something online and save 5%................... or any other of the wonderful scenarios i've run across.  


Witness the recurring BOTACH Tactical thread.

1st post:  Has anyone heard of BOTACH?  They have great prices!

2nd post:  AGNTSA

3rd post:  They suck, run away!

4th post:  They still owe me either a product or money, dammit....

5th post: (OP) I placed my order and saved $10 on an EOtech.  Sweet!

6th post: (OP again)  I resurrected this thread because its been six weeks and I still haven't gotten my EOtech.  All my friends had theirs at the shoot and I didn't have mine yet.  Is there anything I can do?

Repeat every six weeks, in perpetuity.
11/5/2007 9:39:02 PM EDT
[#21]
Treat ATF with respect, and they will do the same.

you sound like a level headed guy. you'll be good to go.

don't bust thier balls, and i say this to everybody.
11/5/2007 10:07:05 PM EDT
[#22]
What's the easiest way to end up with a Million Dollars in the retail firearms business?
Start out with TWO Million dollars!


lol


11/5/2007 10:11:03 PM EDT
[#23]

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Dogs will be gone

Just a little nervous.  Getting into the gun business so this is all new to me.  Never have had any experience with the ATF before.  Just want everything to go smooth.


KY jelly, a lot of it.
11/5/2007 10:16:05 PM EDT
[#24]
Just remember,  if they start chit chatting about little shit, Keep it Professional. They are not your friends. Keep your conversation on track with the reason they are there.
11/6/2007 5:31:20 AM EDT
[#25]

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Just remember,  if they start chit chatting about little shit, Keep it Professional. They are not your friends. Keep your conversation on track with the reason they are there.


turns out my inspector was the brother of the guy who voices John Redcorn in King of the Hill..................we had a pretty good laugh about that one
11/6/2007 11:18:26 AM EDT
[#26]
Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  


11/6/2007 11:25:25 AM EDT
[#27]

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Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




That's because she is not an agent. Agents do not visit for this type of thing. It was an Inspector.
11/6/2007 11:27:21 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

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Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




That's because she is not an agent. Agents do not visit for this type of thing. It was an Inspector.


They must train for raids and such too, right?
11/6/2007 11:28:15 AM EDT
[#29]
Congrats!!
11/6/2007 11:29:45 AM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

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Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




That's because she is not an agent. Agents do not visit for this type of thing. It was an Inspector.


They must train for raids and such too, right?


Inspectors? No, they are not armed and generally do not do the raid stuff. They do the audits of your records and inventroy. They also audit people who use explosives; mines, quarries, etc.
11/6/2007 11:29:56 AM EDT
[#31]

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by all means remain optimistic and i wish you the best of luck in it.

however, be prepared.  for every good customer there are 10 cumgargling monkeymounting sonsofbitches waiting around the corner that will have you waste days getting them prices and information so that they can then buy something online and save 5%................... or any other of the wonderful scenarios i've run across.  


Witness the recurring BOTACH Tactical thread.

1st post:  Has anyone heard of BOTACH?  They have great prices!

2nd post:  AGNTSA

3rd post:  They suck, run away!

4th post:  They still owe me either a product or money, dammit....

5th post: (OP) I placed my order and saved $10 on an EOtech.  Sweet!

6th post: (OP again)  I resurrected this thread because its been six weeks and I still haven't gotten my EOtech.  All my friends had theirs at the shoot and I didn't have mine yet.  Is there anything I can do?

Repeat every six weeks, in perpetuity.


Yeah...I am still waiting on my flashlight bulb.  Bastards.
11/6/2007 11:30:35 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:
Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




Sweet!  That seems easier than I expected it would be!
11/6/2007 11:32:22 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

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Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




That's because she is not an agent. Agents do not visit for this type of thing. It was an Inspector.


They must train for raids and such too, right?


Inspectors? No, they are not armed and generally do not do the raid stuff. They do the audits of your records and inventroy. They also audit people who use explosives; mines, quarries, etc.


Gotcha.  I don't think she was carrying either.  Hard to tell with the sweater she was wearing.  
11/6/2007 11:38:10 AM EDT
[#34]
Glad everything went according to plan.
11/6/2007 3:10:44 PM EDT
[#35]
Congrats on getting the FFL!

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After that it is the fun part of paying someone to build my site, which costs a pretty penny!!
Just out of curiosity how much does this cost?
11/6/2007 3:22:33 PM EDT
[#36]

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Well the AFT agent just left (dogs are safe ).  Everything went well and I am approved!  Should have my FFL in 2 to 4 weeks she said.  The gal was very pleasant and professional.  She was dressed very casual and did not "look" like an ATF agent.  Glad that is out of the way now.  Next on my list is my Class3/SOT form once I get my FFL  




How was the anal-probing?

11/6/2007 3:43:16 PM EDT
[#37]
when you get a chance go to subguns to the danbrews section and print off 2 copies of "when the ATF comes a calling " take one home keep one on your desk or in your file cabinet of your store
11/7/2007 8:15:10 AM EDT
[#38]

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Congrats on getting the FFL!

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After that it is the fun part of paying someone to build my site, which costs a pretty penny!!
Just out of curiosity how much does this cost?


Thanks.

I have a guy that is going to charge around 3k for what I want.  In town where I live it was as high as 10k.
11/7/2007 8:18:18 AM EDT
[#39]

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when you get a chance go to subguns to the danbrews section and print off 2 copies of "when the ATF comes a calling " take one home keep one on your desk or in your file cabinet of your store


Found the site, but not "when the ATF comes calling",  do you have a link to it?
11/7/2007 8:21:57 AM EDT
[#40]
When the ATF Comes A-Callin' by James H. Jeffries, III, Esq.
11/7/2007 8:24:40 AM EDT
[#41]
A good to at least a few responses have been helpful. This is arfcom some you have to weed thru the immaturity.

They will want to verify your stated business addy is zoned for business. If you are working from your home they will want a copy of your sub division covenants (if applicable).

She will review some thjings you need to knoiw and give you some sample documents and review how to fill them out. She will also review your location for security and generally get to know you (make an accessment) as to wether yoiu are a good guy.

Mine was very laid back and the "agent" was very friendly and helpful. In fact all of my dealings with the ATF have been positive (despite the immature comments to the contrary).

IM if you want more specific info as I'm sure some of the kiddies will want to flame me.

Bomber
11/7/2007 9:38:19 AM EDT
[#42]

Quoted:
When the ATF Comes A-Callin' by James H. Jeffries, III, Esq.


I've read that before.  I think it needs an annnual reading.

TXL
11/7/2007 11:15:43 AM EDT
[#43]

She will also review your location for security and generally get to know you (make an accessment) as to wether yoiu are a good guy.


In my case the inspectors actually noted my "plentitude" of dogs as a security plus.  Now I have a total of TEN (although 6 are still neel nippers and would rather lick you to death).

Anybody need a Basset hound?  
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