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Posted: 8/18/2005 4:47:08 PM EDT
Most of you guys are probably too cool to read rec.guns...

This came from the President of VCDL:

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE), who
seem to go out of their way to alienate gun owners with their
heavy-handedness, behaved in a shameful manner this last weekend at
the Showmasters' gun show in Richmond.

I had reports from members of police going to their houses while the
member was waiting for their approval to purchase a gun at the show!
The police asked the spouse and other family members questions about
the purchases and filled in a survey! "Did you know your husband was
going to a gun show today?" "Did you know your husband was going to
buy a gun today?" and many other such questions.

If no one was home at the gun purchaser's house, the police went to
the neighbors! "Did you know that your neighbor was buying a gun
today? How do you feel about him doing so?"

One member, who was carrying a personal gun to sell, was approached
by BATFE and taken to a car while they checked him out. The officer
said in front of Showmasters' management, "Did you know you need a
business license to sell a gun at this show? I have seen you at a
lot of shows - are you in the business of selling guns? I think you
are." That's called a fishing expedition and intimidation. In the
end they let the VCDL member go because their fish hooks came up

They had over 17 BATFE agents at that show. Richmond and Henrico had
a large number of officers running to the homes of anyone purchasing
a handgun to ask questions.

I guess Mayor Wilder is flush with cash all of a sudden. Too bad he
didn't use that money to put all those cops into the rougher
neighborhoods of Richmond, instead of harassing the decent citizens
who buy guns at a gun show.

And, if you are sitting down, the main BATFE agent at the show told
Showmasters' management that Richmond was going to be the model for
this kind of behavior across the nation!!!


Steve Elliott, who heads up C&E Gun Shows and is affiliated with
Showmasters, along with Annette Gelles, who heads up Showmasters,
went to Washington with some lawyers to get this straightened out on
Monday. (BTW, Steve told me that he has spent in excess of $10,000
this year on legal fees fighting this kind of abuse.)

Steve and Annette were told by the BATFE in DC that BATFE would no
longer be sending officers to people's houses who were purchasing a
firearm and that what happened in Richmond should not have happened.

We will be watching carefully to see if BATFE keeps its word or not.
Report any such abuse immediately to VCDL, along with the officer's
name, badge number, and department.

VA-ALERT is a project of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, Inc. (VCDL).
VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization dedicated to
defending the human rights of all Virginians. The membership considers the
Right to Keep and Bear Arms to be an essential human right.

VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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I have not verified this info elsewhere, but have known VCDL to be good folks.

This does not sound very flattering to BATFE.

Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:48:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:49:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2005 4:52:16 PM EDT by DigDug]
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:49:58 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:50:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DigDug:
Sounds like BS.

Not from the VCDL, it isn't.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:52:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By DigDug:
Sounds like BS.

Not from the VCDL, it isn't.

BIG +1 VCDL is a straight shooting organization with a LOT of pull in VA.
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:53:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:56:03 PM EDT
Why leave it open The other one is still on page one?
Link Posted: 8/18/2005 4:56:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/18/2005 4:56:07 PM EDT by tc6969]
We have 4 pages going here http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=380592
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