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Posted: 3/27/2009 4:46:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/27/2009 4:47:26 PM EDT by Mister44]
As per another thread, they are going through stuff in my grandparents basement. My mom found these two manuals for aircraft engines. My grandpa worked on planes for the Navy in WWII.

One is an operators handbook, and the other is an Overhaul manual. Both are in great shape. Both must have been printed on good paper - as its still very white. The both have pull out schematics of the engine - the overhaul one has every nut and bolt listed it looks like.

Any idea on worth? Looking around it looks to me they might be worth a few hundred each.

If it were up to my mom, she would just give them to me - but the others think they might get something for it at an estate sale.

Also - what were the Wasp and Hornet engines put into?

Sorry for the shitty quality. My digital camera run out of batteries, and my cell phone sucks. I tried to brighten and sharpen things up.






Link Posted: 3/27/2009 4:52:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:00:10 PM EDT


Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:04:47 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mister44:


Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.


I had a dyke Great Aunt that was a WASP.

Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:07:10 PM EDT
the P&W WASP was a common engine, neat books you have their.

Make sure they go to someone who can use them, as radials are becoming more of a art to maintain as opposed to a skill.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:08:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mister44:


Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.

P&W's radials owned the aircraft engine market in the US military, circa WWII. Other than the V- block designs (RR Merlins, and Allison), or smaller horizontally opposed aircraft engines (for spotter aircraft like Cubs) from Lycoming or Continental, I can't think of a more prolific manufacturer.

Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:13:34 PM EDT
Keep them. You obviously need to get a Wasp and Hornet.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 5:26:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GunnyG:

Originally Posted By Mister44:


Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.

P&W's radials owned the aircraft engine market in the US military, circa WWII. Other than the V- block designs (RR Merlins, and Allison), or smaller horizontally opposed aircraft engines (for spotter aircraft like Cubs) from Lycoming or Continental, I can't think of a more prolific manufacturer.



.... Wright and Continental, anyone? AFAIK, the only two engines ever put in any model of Corsair are the Pratt and Whitney R-2800 Twin Wasp (NOT a Wasp) and the P&W 4360.
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 8:29:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rick-OShay:

.... Wright and Continental, anyone? AFAIK, the only two engines ever put in any model of Corsair are the Pratt and Whitney R-2800 Twin Wasp (NOT a Wasp) and the P&W 4360.


Yup!! I forgot a few...

From http://www.uswarplanes.net/engines1.html

PISTON ENGINES

1st Column Number of engines / manufacturer.
2nd Column Engine name / engine designation + (civil designation).
3rd Column Maximum power output range across aircraft production run.
4th Column Configuration & number of cylinders / cooling method / extra notes.
T.C. Turbo Compound.
T.S.C. Turbo-Supercharger.
W.I. Water Injection.
Grasshopper Series

L-2, L-3, L-4, NE, L-8 Production
1 / Continental O-170 65hp Opposed 4 / Air
L-2, L-3, L-4 Impressments
1 / Continental O-170 65hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Continental A75-9 (civil) 75hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Franklin O-150 65hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Franklin O-175 65hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Lycoming O-145 65hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Lycoming GO-145 100hp Opposed 4 / Air
L-16 Production
1 / Continental O-190 85hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Continental O-205 90hp Opposed 4 / Air
HE Production
1 / Lycoming O-235 104hp Opposed 4 / Air
L-14, L-21 Production
1 / Lycoming O-290 125hp - 135hp Opposed 4 / Air
L-18 Production
1 / Continental O-205 90hp Opposed 4 / Air
L-6 Production
1 / Franklin O-200 100hp In-line 4 / Air
Beechcraft C-45 Expeditor

Civil Model 18 Production (pre WW2)
2 / Wright J3 Whirlwind R-760 320hp Radial 7 / Air
2 / Jacobs L-5 R-830 285hp Radial 7 / Air
2 / Jacobs L-6 R-915 330hp Radial 7 / Air
2 / Wright J6 Whirlwind R-975 365hp Radial 9 / Air
2 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
C-45, AT-7, AT-11, F-2, JRB, SNB Production
C-45G, TC-45G, C-45H, AT-11A, JRB-6, SNB-5 Conversions
2 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
Civil Model 18 Production (post WW2)
2 / Continental R-9A* 525hp Radial 9 / Air
2 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
* developed from the Wright Whirlwind R-975.
Bell P-39 Airacobra / P-63 Kingcobra

P-39 Production / XP-39B Conversion
1 / Allison V-1710 1100hp - 1325hp V-12 / Liquid
P-63 Production
1 / Allison V-1710 1325hp - 1425hp V-12 / Liquid
Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress

Model 299 Production
4 / Pratt & Whitney Hornet R-1690 750hp Radial 9 / Air
B-17*, Model 307 Stratoliner (C-75) Production
4 / Wright Cyclone GR/R-1820 900hp - 1380hp Radial 9 / Air
* B-17F, B-17G with T.S.C.
Model SB-307B Stratoliner Production
4 / Wright Twin Cyclone GR-2600 1600hp Radial 14 / Air
XB-38 Conversion
4 / Allison V-1710 1425hp V-12 / Liquid
Boeing B-29 Superfortress / C-97 Stratofreighter / B-50 Superfortress

B-29 Production / YB-29J Conversion
4 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 2200hp Radial 18 / Air / T.S.C.
XB-39 Conversion
4 / Allison V-3420 2600hp V-24 / Liquid
XB-44 Conversion (XB-29D - B-50 prototype)
4 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major R-4360 3500hp Radial 28 / Air / T.S.C.
XC-97 / YC-97 Production
4 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 2200hp - 2325hp Radial 18 / Air / T.S.C.
YC-97A to KC-97G, Model 377 Stratocruiser Production*
4 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major R-4360 3000hp - 3800hp Radial 28 / Air / T.S.C.
* KC-97L conversion with 2 General Electric J47-GE, 5200lbst, jet-pods.
B-50 Production*
4 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major R-4360 3500hp Radial 28 / Air / T.S.C.
* KB-50J conversion with 2 General Electric J47-GE, 5200lbst, jet-pods.
Boeing-Stearman PT-13 / PT-17 Kaydet

Model X70, Export Model 73, 75, PT-13, PT-17,
PT-27, N2S Production / Model X75L3 Conversion
1 / Continental R-670 220hp Radial 7 / Air
1 / Lycoming R-680 200hp - 220hp Radial 9 / Air
Export Model 73, 75, Model X75 Production
1 / Wright J3 Whirlwind R-760 225hp - 320hp Radial 7 / Air
NS-1 Production
1 / Wright J5 Whirlwind R-790 220hp Radial 7 / Air
PT-18 Production
1 / Jacobs R-755 225hp Radial 7 / Air
Model 76 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 320hp - 400hp Radial 9 / Air
1 / Wright J3 Whirlwind R-760 320hp Radial 7 / Air
1 / Wright J6-9 Whirlwind R-975 420hp Radial 9 / Air
Model A75L5 Conversions
1 / Lycoming O-435 190hp Opposed 6 / Air
Brewster F2A Buffalo

F2A & export Buffalo Production
1 / Wright Cyclone GR/R-1820 950hp - 1200hp Radial 9 / Air
Consolidated B-24 Liberator

B-24, AT-22, C-87, PB4Y, RY, R2Y Production
XB-24B, XB-24K Conversions
4 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1200hp - 1350hp Radial 14 / Air
Consolidated B-32 Dominator

B-32 Production
4 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 2200hp Radial 18 / Air / T.S.C.
Consolidated PBY Catalina

PBY, PBN, PBV, PB2B, Canso Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 900hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
Consolidated PB2Y Coronado

XPB2Y-1 to PB2Y-3 Production / XPB2Y-3,
PB2Y-3R, XPB2Y-5, PB2Y-5 Conversions
4 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1050hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
XPB2Y-4 Conversion
4 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1700hp Radial 14 / Air
Curtiss C-46 Commando

CW-20 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1700hp Radial 14 / Air
C-46 Production / XC-46B Conversion
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2000hp - 2100hp Radial 18 / Air
XC-46L Conversion
2 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 2500hp Radial 18 / Air
Curtiss P-40 Warhawk

P-40 to P-40N Production / XP-40Q, P-40R Conversions
1 / Allison V-1710 1160hp - 1425hp V-12 / Liquid
P-40F, P-40L Production
1 / Packard Merlin 28, 29, 31 (V-1650) 1300hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-40F Conversion
1 / Rolls Royce Merlin 28 1300hp V-12 / Liquid

Curtiss SB2C Helldiver

SB2C, SBF, SBW, A-25 Production
1 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1700hp - 2100hp Radial 14 / Air
Douglas A-20 Havoc

Model 7B, DB-7 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1100hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
DB-7A/B/C, A-20 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1600hp - 1700hp Radial 14 / Air
Douglas A-26 Invader

A-26 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2000hp Radial 18 / Air
YB-26K, B-26K Conversions
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2500hp Radial 18 / Air / W.I.
Douglas DC-1 / DC-2 Military Series

DC-1, DC-2, C-32, C-33, C-34,
C-39, C-42, R2D Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 690hp - 1200hp Radial 9 / Air
DC-2A Production / DC-1A Conversion
2 / Pratt & Whitney Hornet R-1690 700hp - 720hp Radial 9 / Air
DC-2B Production
2 / Bristol Pegasus VI 690hp Radial 9 / Air
C-41 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
B-18 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 930hp - 1000hp Radial 9 / Air
B-23 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1600hp Radial 14 / Air
Douglas DC-3 / C-47 Skytrain

DST, DC-3, DC-3B, C-49, C-50, C-51,
C-52, R4D Production / C-84 Conversion
2 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1000hp - 1200hp Radial 9 / Air
DST-A, DC-3A, DC-3D, C-41, C-47*, C-48,
C-52, C-53, C-68, C-117, R4D Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1000hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
* C-47B with high-altitude S.C.
Super DC-3, YC-129, R4D-8X Conversions
2 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1475hp - 1535hp Radial 9 / Air
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-2000 1450hp Radial 14 / Air
Douglas DC-4 / C-54 Skymaster

DC-4 (DC-4E) Production
4 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Hornet R-2180 1400hp Radial 14 / Air
C-54, DC-4 Production
4 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-2000 1350hp - 1450hp Radial 14 / Air
XC-54K Conversion
4 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1425hp Radial 9 / Air
XC-114, XC-116 Production
4 / Allison V-1710 1620hp V-12 / Liquid
Canadair North Star, Argonaut Production
4 / Rolls Royce Merlin 620, 622, 624, 626 1725hp - 1760hp V-12 / Liquid
Canadair Model CL-5 Production
4 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-2800 2100hp Radial 18 / Air
Douglas SBD Dauntless

SBD, A-24 Production / XSBD-6 Conversion
1 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1000hp - 1350hp Radial 9 / Air
Fairchild PT-19 / PT-23 / PT-26 Cornell

Model M-62 Production
1 / Ranger L-410 (6-410) 165hp In-line 6 / Air
Model M-62, M-62A, PT-19, PT-26 Production
1 / Ranger L-440 (6-440) 175hp - 200hp In-line 6 / Air
Model M-62B Production
1 / Warner Super Scarab R-500 165hp Radial 7 / Air
PT-23 Production / XPT-23 Conversion
1 / Continental R-670 220hp Radial 7 / Air
Cornell Mk. III Conversion
1 / Lycoming R-680 220hp Radial 9 / Air
Grumman F4F Wildcat

F4F, FM-1, Martlet Production / XF4F-3 Conversion
1 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1050hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
XF4F-5, XF4F-8, FM-2, Martlet Production
1 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1200hp - 1350hp Radial 9 / Air
Grumman F6F Hellcat

F6F Production / XF6F-2, -4, -6 Conversions
1 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 1700hp - 2200hp Radial 18 / Air
Grumman JF / J2F Duck

XJF-1 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp Junior R-1535 700hp Radial 14 / Air
JF-1 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 950hp Radial 14 / Air
JF-2, JF-3, J2F-1 to J2F-6 Production
1 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 750hp - 1050hp Radial 9 / Air
Grumman JRF Goose / J4F Widgeon

Model G-21, XJ3F, JRF, OA-9 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
Model G-44, J4F Production
2 / Ranger L-440 (6-440) 200hp In-line 6 / Air
Model G-44A Production
2 / Lycoming R-680 300hp Radial 9 / Air
Grumman TBF / TBM Avenger

TBF, TBM Production / XTBF-2, -3,
TBM-2, XTBM-3 Conversions
1 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1700hp - 1900hp Radial 14 / Air
Lockheed Hudson / Lodestar / Ventura Series

Hudson series, A-28,
Lodestar series Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1050hp - 1200hp Radial 14 / Air
Super Electra series, Hudson series, A-29,
AT-18, Lodestar series, B-34 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 900hp - 2000hp Radial 9 / Air
Super Electra series, Lodestar series Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Hornet R-1690 750hp - 875hp Radial 9 / Air
Ventura series, PV Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 1850hp - 2000hp Radial 18 / Air
B-37 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 2000hp Radial 14 / Air
Lockheed C-69 / C-121 Constellation

L-049, L-1049, L-1649, C-69,
C-121, PO, R7V, WV Production
4 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 2200hp - 3400hp Radial 18 / Air / T.C.
XC-69E Conversion
4 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2000hp Radial 18 / Air
Lockheed P-38 Lightning

P-38, F-4, F-5 Production / XP-38K Conversion
2 / Allison V-1710 1150hp - 1425hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-49 Production
2 / Continental XIV-1430 1350hp (inverted) IV-12 / Liquid
XP-58 Production
2 / Allison V-3420 2600hp V-24 / Liquid
Martin B-26 Marauder

B-26, AT-23 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 1850hp - 2000hp Radial 18 / Air
Martin PBM Mariner / P5M Marlin

PBM-1 to PBM-3 Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1600hp - 1900hp Radial 14 / Air
PBM-5 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2100hp Radial 18 / Air
P5M Production
2 / Wright Cyclone R-3350 3400hp - 3450hp Radial 18 / Air / W.I.
North American AT-6 Texan

NA-16, BT-9 Production
1 / Wright J6-9 Whirlwind R-975 400hp Radial 9 / Air
BT-14 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
NA-26, NA-44, NJ, BC-1, AT-6, SNJ, AT-16,
Harvard, Wirraway Production / BT-10 Conversion
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp R-1340 500hp - 600hp Radial 9 / Air
XAT-6E Conversion
1 / Ranger SGV770B-3 R-770 575hp V-12 / Liquid
XSN2J-1 Production
1 / Wright Cyclone R-1820 1100hp Radial 9 / Air
North American B-25 Mitchell

NA-40 Production
2 / Pratt & Whitney Twin Wasp R-1830 1100hp Radial 14 / Air
B-25 Production / NA-40B Conversion*
2 / Wright Cyclone R-2600 1700hp / 1350hp* Radial 14 / Air
North American P-51 Mustang / P-82 Twin Mustang

NA-73, P-51 to P-51A Production
1 / Allison V-1710 1150hp - 1325hp V-12 / Liquid
P-51B to P-51M Production / XP-51B Conversion
1 / Packard Merlin 68, 69 (V-1650) 1380hp - 1490hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-51G Production
1 / Rolls Royce Merlin 45M 1675hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-51J Production
1 / Allison V-1710 1500hp V-12 / Liquid
P-51D Australia Production
1 / Rolls Royce Merlin 66, 70 1375hp - 1400hp V-12 / Liquid
1 / Packard Merlin 61 (V-1650) 1450hp - 1590hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-82, P-82B, P-82F Production
2 / Packard Merlin 68 (V-1650) 1860hp V-12 / Liquid
XP-82A, P-82E, P-82G Production
2 / Allison V-1710 1900hp V-12 / Liquid
Northrop P-61 Black Widow

P-61, F-15 Production / XP-61D Conversion*
2 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2000hp - 2100hp Radial 18 / Air
* with T.S.C.
Republic P-47 Thunderbolt

P-47 Production / XP-47E, YP-47M, XP-47N Conversions
1 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 2000hp - 2800hp Radial 18 / Air / T.S.C.
XP-47H Conversion
1 / Chrysler XIV-2220 2300hp (inverted) V-16 / Liquid
Stinson L-5 Sentinel

Model V-75 Production
1 / Lycoming ? 100hp Opposed 4 / Air
1 / Franklin ? 125hp Opposed 4 / Air
Model V-76, L-5 Production
1 / Lycoming O-435 175hp - 190hp Opposed 6 / Air
Vought F4U Corsair

F4U, AU, F3A, FG Production
XF4U-3, -3B, -4, -5, XF2G-1 Conversions
1 / Pratt & Whitney Double Wasp R-2800 1800hp - 2450hp Radial 18 / Air / T.S.C. or W.I.
F2G Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Major R-4360 3000hp Radial 28 / Air / T.S.C.
Vultee BT-13 / BT-15 Valiant

BC-3, Model V-54 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp R-1340 600hp Radial 9 / Air
Model V-54A, BT-13 Production
1 / Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior R-985 450hp Radial 9 / Air
BT-15 Production
1 / Wright Whirlwind R-975 450hp Radial 9 / Air
Link Posted: 3/27/2009 9:18:33 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Mister44:
Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.


Those engines were all single row small displacement radial engines.
They never powered a Corsair.

You can buy the Hornet manual on line in DVD format for $250.
http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-1760/Pratt-&-Whitney-R-dsh-985/Detail

You can buy the Wasp manual on line in DVD format for $165.
http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-1759/Pratt-%26-Whitney-R-dsh-1340/Detail

You can buy (as far as I can tell) a reproduction of the Wasp manual for $28.
http://www.esscoaircraft.com/Pratt_Whitney_Aircraft_Wasp_Ops_p/7490.htm

And you can probably buy the other there too.

My guess would be that unless it's stamped by some .gov agency or some .airline they are reproductions of the original manuals if they are in as good of shape as you say they are.

I have reproductions of the YB-40 operators manual and a reproduction of the Corsair operators manual.

Personal opinion - Your family should be ashamed of themselves for getting rid of your Grandfather's stuff like that.
I wish that my family had not gotten rid of my grandfathers stuff (both sides of the family), in my case they were both dead before I was born though.
Link Posted: 3/28/2009 10:23:18 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KA3B:
Originally Posted By Mister44:
Sweet. Looks like it was for trainer craft... or maybe even Corsairs as it shows up that a variant of the wasp were in them.


Those engines were all single row small displacement radial engines.
They never powered a Corsair.

You can buy the Hornet manual on line in DVD format for $250.
http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-1760/Pratt-&-Whitney-R-dsh-985/Detail

You can buy the Wasp manual on line in DVD format for $165.
http://www.sicuropublishing.com/servlet/the-1759/Pratt-%26-Whitney-R-dsh-1340/Detail

You can buy (as far as I can tell) a reproduction of the Wasp manual for $28.
http://www.esscoaircraft.com/Pratt_Whitney_Aircraft_Wasp_Ops_p/7490.htm

And you can probably buy the other there too.

My guess would be that unless it's stamped by some .gov agency or some .airline they are reproductions of the original manuals if they are in as good of shape as you say they are.

I have reproductions of the YB-40 operators manual and a reproduction of the Corsair operators manual.

Personal opinion - Your family should be ashamed of themselves for getting rid of your Grandfather's stuff like that.
I wish that my family had not gotten rid of my grandfathers stuff (both sides of the family), in my case they were both dead before I was born though.


I HIGHLY doubt they are 'reproductions'. They are on quality paper, one in a 3 ring binder, one bound. There is also a leather folder with papers marked 'restricted' that were instructional papers for the training he had in Corpus Cristi. These binders were probably manuals from that training - as they are in such great shape. No doubt they are vintage, because he didn't work on planes after the war.

They aren't totally bad for wanting to sell stuff - the money is going for my grandmas care and bills. Still - I might have my mom make the case to my grandma for the manuals. They would make a good birthday present.
Link Posted: 3/30/2009 8:35:27 AM EDT
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