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Posted: 8/9/2002 8:05:32 PM EST
Are they one and the same? 4 entries found for citizen. ----------------------------------------------- cit·i·zen Pronunciation Key (st-zn) n. A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. A resident of a city or town, especially one entitled to vote and enjoy other privileges there. A civilian. A native, inhabitant, or denizen of a particular place: “We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community” (Franklin D. Roosevelt). ----------------------------------------------- 3 entries found for civilian. ci·vil·ian Pronunciation Key (s-vlyn) n. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police. A specialist in Roman or civil law. adj. Of or relating to civilians or civil life; nonmilitary: civilian clothes; a civilian career.
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 8:31:30 PM EST
A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The civilian does not. [:D]
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 8:47:58 PM EST
According to the 2nd amendment, I'm in the militia.
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 8:51:24 PM EST
Originally Posted By DefMan: According to the 2nd amendment, I'm in the militia.
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DOH, dont say that to loud!!
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 8:56:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By schapman43:
Originally Posted By DefMan: According to the 2nd amendment, I'm in the militia.
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DOH, dont say that to loud!!
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Why? Aren't you?
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:08:10 PM EST
OK. I will say it again "According to the 2nd amendment, I'm in the militia." ( That was my 1st amendment right ) So what ????? Too many sheeple cower when a subject comes up that is too Un PC, dont be afraid to stand up. "We The People".
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:17:55 PM EST
Bla..... hate PC. And I don't mean computers.....
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:24:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/9/2002 9:28:06 PM EST by Edward_Forrester]
Originally Posted By out-a-ammo: A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The civilian does not. [:D]
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Hmmm, nothing like Naziesque Starship Troopers [devil] I love that movie edited for spelling
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:31:45 PM EST
armed citizen [;)]
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:35:38 PM EST
Ask Heinlein. I was expecting so much more out his novel, Starship Troopers, given all the hoopla I had heard before I read it. Heinlein's paradise makes you nothing more than a worker in a colony to have a voice in matters. Way too totalitarian.
Link Posted: 8/9/2002 9:38:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By Edward_Forrester:
Originally Posted By out-a-ammo: A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The civilian does not. [:D]
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Hmmm, nothing like Naziesque Starship Troopers [devil] I love that movie edited for spelling
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I was wondering how long it would take someone to catch that. [:D]
Link Posted: 8/10/2002 4:46:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/10/2002 4:47:52 AM EST by LARRYG]
Originally Posted By 73easting: Are they one and the same? 4 entries found for citizen. ----------------------------------------------- cit·i·zen Pronunciation Key (st-zn) n. A person owing loyalty to and entitled by birth or naturalization to the protection of a state or nation. A resident of a city or town, especially one entitled to vote and enjoy other privileges there. A civilian. A native, inhabitant, or denizen of a particular place: “We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community” (Franklin D. Roosevelt). ----------------------------------------------- 3 entries found for civilian. ci·vil·ian Pronunciation Key (s-vlyn) n. A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police. A specialist in Roman or civil law. adj. Of or relating to civilians or civil life; nonmilitary: civilian clothes; a civilian career.
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Per your own post, you are both. Even your definition of citizen says 'civilian'. This isn't a Second Amendment question. out-a-ammo, how the hell did you arrive at your answer? This wasn't some 'are you a Nazi' or 'is a citizen a Nazi' question. I thought it was just a simple question to which the answer is BOTH, one and the same, etc.
Link Posted: 8/10/2002 7:56:51 AM EST
Originally Posted By LARRYG: out-a-ammo, how the hell did you arrive at your answer? This wasn't some 'are you a Nazi' or 'is a citizen a Nazi' question. I thought it was just a simple question to which the answer is BOTH, one and the same, etc.
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Did you read the rest of the posts? It was a joke. Edward_Forrester got it. It is the response of the main character of the movie Starship Troopers to a question a teacher asks. RASCZAK: You. Tell me the moral difference, if any, between the citizen and the civilian ? JOHNNY: The difference lies in the field of civic virtue. A citizen accepts personal responsibility for the safety of the body politic, of which he is a member, defending it, if need be, with his life. The civilian does not.
Link Posted: 8/10/2002 7:57:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/10/2002 8:29:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog: Ask Heinlein. I was expecting so much more out his novel, Starship Troopers, given all the hoopla I had heard before I read it. Heinlein's paradise makes you nothing more than a worker in a colony to have a voice in matters. Way too totalitarian.
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I disagree. And having read just about everything Heinlein wrote, I'd say the culture in [i][u]The Moon is a Harsh Mistress[/i][/u] is probably closer to his idea of paradise than the one in [u][i]Starship Troopers[/i][/u]. I think, though, that you may have missed what I consider to be the critical passage in the entire novel (others do too, or it wouldn't be available on the web.) Read it [url=www.magma.ca/~yeti/troopers.html]here.[/url] The basic point:
Man has [i]no moral instinct[/i]. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not -- and a puppy has none. We [i]acquire[/i] moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. These unfortunate juvenile criminals were born with none, even as you and I, and they had no chance to acquire any; their experiences did not permit it. What [i]is[/i] 'moral sense'? It is an elaboration of the instinct to survive. The instinct to survive is human nature itself, and every aspect of our personalities derives from it. Anything that conflicts with the survival instinct acts sooner or later to eliminate the individual and thereby fails to show up in future generations. This truth is mathematically demonstrable, everwhere verifiable; it is the single eternal imperative controlling everything we do. "But the instinct to survive," he had gone on, "can be cultivated into motivations more subtle and much more complex than the blind, brute urge of the individual to stay alive. Young lady, what you miscalled your 'moral instinct' was the instilling in you by your elders of the truth that survival can have stronger imperatives than that of your own personal survival. Survival of your family, for example. Of your children, when you have them. Of your nation, if you struggle that high up the scale. And so on up. A scientifically verifiable theory of morals must be rooted in the individual's instinct to survive -- [i]and nowhere else![/i] -- and must correctly describe the hierarchy of survival, note the motivations at each level, and resolve all conflicts. "We have such a theory now; we can solve any moral problem, on any level. Self-interest, love of family, duty to country, responsibility toward the human race -- we are even developing an exact ethic for extra-human relations. But all moral problems can be illustrated by one misquotation: 'Greater love hath no man than a mother cat dying to defend her kittens.' Once you understand the problem facing that cat and how she solved it, you will then be ready to examine yourself and learn how high up the moral ladder you are capable of climbing.
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Heinlein insisted that he did not intend that [i]military service[/i] was the only way to achieve the right to vote, but others have shown that it sure as hell looked that way. Regardless, the point was that the only way to achieve the right to vote in that society was to prove that you had acquired a moral sense greater than devotion only to yourself. In fact, you had to prove devotion to your society. Not, I think, a bad thing.
Link Posted: 8/10/2002 8:57:55 AM EST
A solider is a citizen of the country he came from, when he is no longer a solider he is a civilian citizen, a small but important distinction. Same goes for LEO'S they are a citizen, but a LEO, and when they quit or retire they are a "civilian" or if you prefer a civilian citizen. So I guess a citizen can be someone affiliated with an organization, but a civilian is not affiliated with any government organization.
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