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9/19/2017 7:27:10 PM
Posted: 6/19/2001 5:29:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2001 1:40:55 PM EDT by garandman]
I don't understand why all Europeans don't have a HUGE arsenal of weapons at their houses. After WWII you would think they learned their lesson and would always be prepared. Throw into the mix all the fighting over there in Bosnia, Northern Ireland etc. any of those people could be attacked at any time. They are asking to be robbed and shot by not getting a clue and protecting themselves. It just doesn't make any sense.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 5:30:15 AM EDT
Best as I can figger, they LIKE having someone be "the man" over them.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 5:43:26 AM EDT
It's their history of being subjects. They have it ingrained that there is a class that is superior to them that has the responsibility of taking their money and giving them orders. They obviously aren't qualified to run a country. [sniper]
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 5:48:47 AM EDT
Yes and ignorant.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 5:52:07 AM EDT
Thanks for applying the tactic of the anti and doing the same most of my fellow countrymen are doing. Stereotyping based on ignorance... Kuiper
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 5:54:05 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuiper: Thanks for applying the tactic of the anti and doing the same most of my fellow countrymen are doing. Stereotyping based on ignorance... Kuiper
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Okay, your complaint has been forwarded to the "Complaint Dept." Give us a BETTER explanation for what is a VERY legitimate question. This is Not intended to be a flame.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 6:05:25 AM EDT
My complaint? Who's complaining? Starting to get a bit sick and tired of all the Euro bashing. For people who continuously claim they are not interested in Europe it sure as hell gets a lot of attention now does it? Kuiper
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 6:12:27 AM EDT
While watching a program on the History channel about the Holocaust, I was getting pissed because these people did little to protect themselves. They were continually stripped of their rights and did nothing. At least organize, arm yourselves and take a few with you. Once is unacceptable, but then to allow yourself to learn nothing and not arm yourself for future problems deserves no pity. Hell, if they were able to defend themselves we never would have lost so many US lives bailing their sorry asses out. Get a freaking clue already and defend yourself. If that isn't stupid I don't know what is.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 6:19:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By garandman: Best as I can figger, they LIKE having someone be "the man" over them.
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The Russians got very used to it and of course some would complain to a point, but in my opinion they did like it to a degree, too. In a perverse way, having the cloud of socialism over them actually felt good. Sorta like some battered spouses have trouble breaking free, or the "Stockholm Syndrome" We're well on our way, in the USA [red][size=4]P.R.K.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 7:11:45 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kuiper: For people who continuously claim they are not interested in Europe it sure as hell gets a lot of attention now does it? Kuiper
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If Europe weren't sticking their nose into American affairs, we'd all get along famously. Which is NOT to say America hasn't stuck its mose into European affairs. But MOSTLY, Americas intervention has been in teh form of saving Europes keister. The Europeans, instead of just saying "Thank you" for the US military, financial etc aid, they have been sending over a NON-STOP barrage of criticism of American ideals. They criticise our gun ownership. They criticise our relative sexual restraint. They criticise our President. They criticise our health care systems. They criticise our free speech rights. They criticise our nuclear power plants. They criticise our missile defense systems. They criticise our environmental policy. They criticise our EVERYTHING. When was the last time any American politcal leader EVER criticised europe anywhere near their constant bashing of us??? NEVER. No, we just keep sending them more financial aid, more military support against their dictator du jour. And what thanks do we get?? A daily pissing on. And the occasional major defication. I wouldn't care one whit about Europe, if they didn't seem to have as their goal the criticism, even the destruction, of EVERYTHING that I hold dear. Frankly, ALL I want from Europe is a simple "Thank you" - followed by silence. Alternatively, they can send over a waiver of our responsinility from giving them ANY MORE help. Their choice.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 7:15:45 AM EDT
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what do you call someone who can speak two languages? bilingual. what do you call someone who can speak three languages? trilingual what do you call someone who can speak four languages? poly or multi-lingial what do you call someone who can speak only one language? an american! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ha - cough! come on guys- have you ever walked the streets of a major european city? or the countrysides? having a gun alone does not asure safety. the mindset is what counts! you don;t need to have a huge arsenal at your house - against what? whom? gay aggressive woodchucks? calling europeans stupid is like calling all americans[blue] ****-****[/blue]. on the whole - the average 'stupid' european is better eduacted in history, geography, maths, the arts, languages, etc etc. they are more globaly aware than your average [blue]****-****[/blue]. what i learned to 3rd form (9th grade for all who don't know) in the british school system carried me from 10th grade to almost my 2nd year of college with out having to open a book!!!!!!! what does this say of the u.s. system??????????????????? geez guys! come on! wake up! travel! - quit making asses out of yourselves infront of our friends! steve [blue]I'm not sure what you meant by that remark. If it means what I think it means..it doesn't belong here. If it means something else I apologize for erroring on the side of caution.[/blue]
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 7:35:52 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 7:49:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By steve m: what do you call someone who can speak two languages? bilingual. what do you call someone who can speak three languages? trilingual what do you call someone who can speak four languages? poly or multi-lingial what do you call someone who can speak only one language? an american! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ha - cough! come on guys- have you ever walked the streets of a major european city? or the countrysides? having a gun alone does not asure safety. the mindset is what counts! you don;t need to have a huge arsenal at your house - against what? whom? gay aggressive woodchucks? calling europeans stupid is like calling all americans ****-****. on the whole - the average 'stupid' european is better eduacted in history, geography, maths, the arts, languages, etc etc. they are more globaly aware than your average ****-***. what i learned to 3rd form (9th grade for all who don't know) in the british school system carried me from 10th grade to almost my 2nd year of college with out having to open a book!!!!!!! what does this say of the u.s. system??????????????????? geez guys! come on! wake up! travel! - quit making asses out of yourselves infront of our friends! steve
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I have been to England as a matter of fact. Thank you for bringing up a very important point about schools. Naturally the countries with the "best" schools are the worlds economic super powers right? No, well that doesn't make any sense. Americans are the hardest working people in the world PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We work more hours! We take less vacation! We are the most productive! "against what? whom? gay aggressive woodchucks?" What was the name of that well educated highly cultured country that killed millions of people? Give me a minute, ummm it was ahhh, Germany yeah that's it. And there isn't ANY fighting in Ireland, or the former Soviet countries, or Bosnia.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 7:50:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By steve m: what do you call someone who can speak two languages? bilingual. what do you call someone who can speak three languages? trilingual what do you call someone who can speak four languages? poly or multi-lingial what do you call someone who can speak only one language? an american!
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True. But drive six hours in any direction on the continent of Europe and you will traverse at least three international borders. Do it here, and you may not get out of Texas. What language should we learn? Most of us don't have an opportunity to speak any other language than English (American). I live in Arizona. I studied Spanish for 4 years. I remember "como frijole" (How'ya bean?)
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha hah ha - cough! on the whole - the average 'stupid' european is better eduacted in history, geography, maths, the arts, languages, etc etc. they are more globaly aware than your average ****-***. what i learned to 3rd form (9th grade for all who don't know) in the british school system carried me from 10th grade to almost my 2nd year of college with out having to open a book!!!!!!! what does this say of the u.s. system???????????????????
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It says that our educational system sucks, something I have never denied. I've actually concluded that it couldn't possibly have gotten this bad by accident. It's been done on purpose so that the population will be easier to lead around by the nose. However, the point in question is why, after a century of continuous warfare in Europe, don't the individual citizens understand that being armed is the only sure way to remain free? The Swiss seem to be the only ones who've figured that out. I restate my opinion: Centuries of being told that government is the job of their "betters" has had it's effect.[sniper]
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:01:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By DK-Prof: Thanks to steve m. Boo-hoo, so "the Europeans" all criticise the U.S. Well, let me tell you just a little bit about a European country, because of course, despite all the anti tactics of trying to stereotype ALL Europeans into the same mould, there is no such thing as a European - it is just a geographic label. Norwegians and Swedes have more in common with polar bears than they do with Italians or Greeks, so stop with this stereotyping crap. In Denmark, violent crime and murder rates are ridiculously low, corruption in the police force is virtually nonexistent, and very few guns exist in the hands of criminals. We don't have to worry about some sudden invasion because we have a national guard that actually works - in that all members (and there are a lot) keep their weapons at home, along with a significant cache of ammunition. When I lived in Denmark, I had an MG-42(59) in my closet, along with about 600 rounds. It is also funny to hear how many complain that "the Europeans" are always criticising this and that. How many of you have been over there and actually noticed how many people give a rat's ass about the U.S.? The answer is VERY FEW! Where do you get this impression that "the Europeans" care so much about the U.S.? Are you talking about politicians or about people? When something noteworthy happens like O.J. killing two people and walking away, or a massacre at a high school, or a Rodney King riot, or a bungled presidential election, or a banana republic inside the US going nuts over a cuban boy, then the rest of the world, including all of the European countries, take notice, and laugh. Keep in mind, because Denmark is such a wondeful utopia (kidding!), we laugh at pretty much everyone. [>]:)]
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Yeah Denmark is a freaking powerhouse, I'm pretty sure Denmark almost defeated the German's by themselves, NOT! It is strange that they don't give a rat's ass because they sure seem to like our Movies, Books, TV, Clothes, Music, MTV etc, etc, etc. That's interesting that you get US events in your papers, maybe if Denmark wasen't the size of a small state something news worthy would happen there. Lets not forget there are 275 million people here. Considering California ALONE would be the worlds 5th largest economy tells you why Demark is not even a speck on the radar. So when ANY European Country is the world's Military and Economic super power maybe we will start to listen. And by the way keep in mind that everyone on that WHOLE continent is free because of us. We bailed your asses out plain and simple so what ever you are today is because of us.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:05:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By GeoffM24: And by the way keep in mind that everyone on that WHOLE continent is free because of us. We bailed your asses out plain and simple so what ever you are today is because of us.
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I agree with you that we saved their ass but you might want to rephrase that last sentence. We are not responsible for the socialist mess they got themselves into. We are just responsible for liberating them from oppression...twice!
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:07:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:10:27 AM EDT
But, England was on the verge of defeat and without US supplies and forces the would have lost the war in a matter of months. So the only reason the Allieds were even able to regroup was because of us.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:12:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:20:38 AM EDT
"Were YOU there on Utah beach" I was the one on the left.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:23:36 AM EDT
LETS GO TO WAR WITH EUROPE!!!!! [whacko]
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:43:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Striker: Just to add my .2¢ here. The US did not win WWII. The Allied Forces won WWII of which a lot of European countries and European soldiers where part of.
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Actually, an AWFUL lot of well-respected historians are of the opinion that teh US won WWII ******** IN SPITE OF *********** alot of allied foot dragging by Montgomenry and others. Heck, half the time the USGI's wanted to shoot the Brits for not holding up their end of the deal. Montgomery's moment in the sun, Operation MarketGarden was a HUGE flop. Nearly disasterous, and ALMOST turned the tide of the war in Hitler's favor. It was the US commercial infrastructure that built the Sherman tank, the B17, the Iowa class battleships, the Higgins boat landing craft, and paid for MOST of the stuffs with which the war was won. let's see - what did the brits supply?? Oh yeah, the mulberry floating harbor, which when it was destroyed by weather on teh D-Day beaches, THEY were ready to pack it in and go home. But US ingenuity rebuilt the harbors, and otherwise improvised to get the LST's directly to the beach. The US supplied a large percentage of the small arms that the Allies used. make NO mistake about it - the US WON WWII. And don't bother flaming me for the above FACTS. flame teh historians that reported them.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:51:00 AM EDT
IM GETTING SICK OFF THIS BULLSHIT. You guys slam all us Europeans in the same pile. "No great arsenal at home", fuck here in Finland we have a little over 5mil people, over 2 mil weapons around. Our society is still something where you dont have to carry your pistol everywhere you go just to stay alive. Take a moment and look what is wrong out there before dicking around with our politics. I do not anything against you guys or any Amercian personnaly but im getting tired of this motherfucking bullshit now.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 8:55:36 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Tuukka: . Take a moment and look what is wrong out there before dicking around with our politics. I do not anything against you guys or any Amercian personnaly but im getting tired of this [redacted]now.
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Interesting. Quite the same argument, less the expletives, that I made about the recent rash of "European" bashing of the US and President Bush during Bush's recent "European Big Adventure.". If they quit with their attacks on us, I would be MORE than happy to quit pointing out historical facts about them.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:00:10 AM EDT
No one needs to carry a pistol around in the US. I can carry concealed but I choose not to. The crime rate in the US has been dropping like a rock and is at it's lowest levels in decades. People see the news on Columbine or Waco and assume it is a war zone. What they are forgetting is that there are 275 million people here. Maybe 10 people have been killed in school shootings out of 30-40 million kids. Our point is that the socialist news paints this inaccurate picture. Think of it this way, there hasen't been a single school shooting in the Northeast which includes Boston, New York etc. With 5 million people in Finland you are smaller then a few boroughs of NYC. There are 10-20 times the people in the Northeast then there are in your whole country and we haven't had a single school shooting. A real freaking war zone, huh? See my point.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:09:25 AM EDT
10 kids killed in school shootings, yeah right. We haven´t had a SINGLE school shooting type crime here also. But which country do you think as a more violent nation judging with your own knowledge, The United States Of America or Finland. World politics will be fought by politicians as long there are people around, couldnt care less. But what bugs me is some members around here start bashing us all Europeans as somesort of communists and people without rights. Take LOOOONG hard look at the goverment tightening the net over people there.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:11:00 AM EDT
Sorry about the profanity garandman, but i get my RPMs up when we are gategorized so quick. Will try to avoid it in the future.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:19:10 AM EDT
"the crime rate in Finland is low compared to the U.S. and most European countries, it has increased approximately 15 percent since 1998" Catching up now, aren't we.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:26:51 AM EDT
Well, atleast we dont have 13 year olds shooting each other :)
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:41:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:45:00 AM EDT
You are missing the point. Let me put it this way. I live in Massachusetts, we have not had any school shootings. There are more people in Massachusetts then your whole country. There have been as many school shootings around me as around you. Understand? Let me out it another way for you. If you included an equal area in terms of land and population in Europe compared to the US, it would include many areas of civil unrest like Bosnia for example. So when you compare apples to apples the US is a much safer area. We don't have ethnic cleansing for example.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:46:37 AM EDT
OK, this topic is getting regoddamndiculous. So some Europeans don't like us... so what.... La de [size=4]FRICKEN DA!
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:48:21 AM EDT
Are Europeans just stupid? Are blacks just lazy? Are jews just greedy? Are southerners just white trash? Are yankees just liberals? Are hispanics just car thieves? Are Irish just drunks? Are Italians just gangsters? Does Liz Hurley have bad teeth? Is Bob Denard a socialist pussy?
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:50:16 AM EDT
Thanks DBAR15, that is my point also, some of the Europeans do not like the USA, some of the Americans do not like Europe. Like we will loose our sleep over it. Let´s just keep babbling about guns, girls and other pleasures in life and let the airhead politicians fight each other.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:50:52 AM EDT
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Kupier has is right. You guys are defending yourselves as if you indeed feel inferior. Bureaucracy is a worldwide plague! The history that most of us learned was taught when the Soviets were the bad guys. Hence, few accounts of the Eastern Front were ever widely discussed. Our reported history, like any countries', is full of propaganda. You cannot deny that what you were taught from '50-90 was way over the top with the "Mom, baseball and apple pie" stuff. In my opinion the two most important things that the US did in the European theater were the destruction of German industry (US and British bombing), and landing and advancing far enough to keep the Soviets from rolling right up to the Atlantic. (Though that last one is hindsight) I personally doubt that we would have been so keen on landing on the mainland if the Germans defeated the Soviets in 1942. Total respect must be given to TUUKKA and his clan for maintaining independence through this nightmare.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 9:56:59 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 10:11:14 AM EDT
For some reason I like to start threads with a nice hook. I blame the English Gossip magazines for this. [;-)]
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 11:45:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 11:57:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Forest: Finally, lets not forget while we (the US) bailed out the Europeans twice in the 20th century; a couple of European nations (like Spain and France) help us to gain our freedom (any of you remember the Battle of Yorktown? How about a guy name L'Enfant?). Ok Rant Mode off, lets get to talking AR-15s!
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You are right, we SHOULD be talking AR15's. But this skewed historical info kinda riles me. REMEMBER- Spain and France aided during the War for Indep. ONLY because it was a chance for a free shot at England. They had self-serving interests in doing so. We helped England, France, etc during WW1 and WW2 out of something MUCH more close to pure motives, without thoughts of how WE could benefit from it.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 12:30:17 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/19/2001 1:26:16 PM EDT
Tuukka Well, atleast we dont have 13 year olds shooting each other :)
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You are absolutely right. Finland has long been revered as the ultimate society for United States citizens to emulate. I fondly recall the evenings spent as a boy sitting around the dinner table with my family. All that we ever wanted was to be just like Hans-Eric Tuukka, Janne Kruunupyy and Berndt Juntunen when we grew up. But alas, it was not to be. Instead here we are, stuck in the greatest superpower in the world, far from the 70 days of darkness each year and sub zero temperatures that we still pine for.
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 1:31:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bud: All that we ever wanted was to be just like Hans-Eric Tuukka, Janne Kruunupyy and Berndt Juntunen when we grew up.
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Who?
Link Posted: 6/19/2001 1:43:21 PM EDT
Okay, its getting ugly. I only wish I could let Tuuka respond to that rwther unseemly post, but I can't. See Rule #4 in teh Code of Conduct. This thread has run its course. Locked.
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