[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Are you stocking up on P320s? (Page 2 of 5)
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Quoted: Sig will just move onto something else and abandon the platform. I am betting this will be true. Just like FN likes to do. I am glad I waited to buy one of these… while the problem could be not as big as made out on the forums, who wants to take a chance? |
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Quoted: The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn’t mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. Name some “aftermarket” solutions that guarantee a fix to a potentially lethal safety issue with a firearm. HUGE difference between selling a mod to try to make something “better” (no one is going to sue because a new trigger isn’t ACTUALLY better than a stock one), and one that promises to prevent a potentially lethal safety issue. A “improved” trigger doesn’t have nearly the liability exposure as a mod that promises to fix a well known, well-publicized safety issue. The problem isn’t so much “can it be done” but rather “who is going to invest in developing and marketing what would HAVE to be a low MSRP add-on to a pistol that is already an albatross and the manufacturer won’t even fix it? What reputable gunsmith is going to take on that liability for an $100 accessory? Are you going to trust bubba at the LGS to “fix” it? |
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Quoted: I am betting this will be true. Just like FN likes to do. I am glad I waited to buy one of these… while the problem could be not as big as made out on the forums, who wants to take a chance? Quoted: Quoted: Sig will just move onto something else and abandon the platform. I am betting this will be true. Just like FN likes to do. I am glad I waited to buy one of these… while the problem could be not as big as made out on the forums, who wants to take a chance? It's extremely unlikely a P320 is going to end your genetic line. But the chance is not zero. It MIGHT be zero on the new pistols, but SIG won't admit there was ever a problem to be fixed, so if they did fix it, they're not admitting they fixed it. If you're going to appendix carry, a HiPoint is a higher quality handgun at this point. |
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Quoted: Name some “aftermarket” solutions that guarantee a fix to a potentially lethal safety issue with a firearm. HUGE difference between selling a mod to try to make something “better” (no one is going to sue because a new trigger isn’t ACTUALLY better than a stock one), and one that promises to prevent a potentially lethal safety issue. A “improved” trigger doesn’t have nearly the liability exposure as a mod that promises to fix a well known, well-publicized safety issue. The problem isn’t so much “can it be done” but rather “who is going to invest in developing and marketing what would HAVE to be a low MSRP add-on to a pistol that is already an albatross and the manufacturer won’t even fix it? What reputable gunsmith is going to take on that liability for an $100 accessory? Are you going to trust bubba at the LGS to “fix” it? Quoted: Quoted: The above rant makes the assumption that nobody can devise a sear/striker/FPS that is immune to issues that seem to plague the current P320, and that is a VERY FLAWED assumption. A third party could devise a replacement system that could be installed into a P320 to correct the existing deficiencies. Sig would certainly not endorse it, but that doesn’t mean a better system could not be developed. You see aftermarket triggers for bolt action rifles offered all the time, and nobody thinks twice about swapping those into their rifle, if the so desire and can afford it. I see no reason why the P320 could not have something similar done. Name some “aftermarket” solutions that guarantee a fix to a potentially lethal safety issue with a firearm. HUGE difference between selling a mod to try to make something “better” (no one is going to sue because a new trigger isn’t ACTUALLY better than a stock one), and one that promises to prevent a potentially lethal safety issue. A “improved” trigger doesn’t have nearly the liability exposure as a mod that promises to fix a well known, well-publicized safety issue. The problem isn’t so much “can it be done” but rather “who is going to invest in developing and marketing what would HAVE to be a low MSRP add-on to a pistol that is already an albatross and the manufacturer won’t even fix it? What reputable gunsmith is going to take on that liability for an $100 accessory? Are you going to trust bubba at the LGS to “fix” it? There's that replacement backplate for Glocks you press the button on when you reholster. |
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Quoted: There's that replacement backplate for Glocks you press the button on when you reholster. What is the “safety defect” that that product fixes? I’m familiar with that product… from what I remember, it says it helps prevent a negligent discharge if you do something stupid like leaving your finger in the trigger guard when holstering, or you get some foreign object jammed in your holster. Either way, it does not promise to fix a “defect” in the pistol itself, but instead helps to make it more idiot-proof. Big difference. That the weapon fires when you pull the trigger isn’t a “defect”. |
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Any made in Germany? |
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Quoted: There will never be a “fix” — just less and less attention given to the problem. How can there ever be a “fix” when Sig is flatly and consistently denying there is even a problem? Sig cannot back down now after making such a staunch stance that the 320 is perfectly safe as-is — it would be corporate suicide. And I’m not going to be stupid enough to trust some shade tree gunsmith to provide a “solution” either but hey — you do you. And no reputable big name gunsmith is going to claim to fix the problem either — WAY too much liability for such a tiny amount of reward. How much would YOU pay to “fix” a problem on a cheap gun with little resale value? Sig will move on and away from the 320, and so should you. There may be a few smaller lawsuit “go away” payouts from Sig along the way “with no admission of guilt” but that will be that. Is the guy who ran Kimber still running Sig? Anyone? I'm sure the go away payouts will entail the paid person agreeing to not discuss the payout like Remington did with their rifles. |
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Quoted: And you won't. What ever issues the .mil has with them. They will just blame on Pvt. Snuffy. Quoted: Quoted: Is the military getting rid of their P320s? I've not seen anything on our armed forces issues with this pistol. And you won't. What ever issues the .mil has with them. They will just blame on Pvt. Snuffy. Try scrolling up and reading the document excerpt already posted. |
So wish I'd never traded off my stainless p22* guns  
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I bought the M17 back in 2018 time frame when it came out. I recall a few videos explaining the "problem." I never encountered any issues myself with it. Many of us, myself included, were not around for the 1911s issue that seemed to have eerily similar complaints to the p320. They shown in court that if you put the hammer in a half cocked position, and somehow hit it just right with a hammer or something, the hammer would fall and the gun would go off. Basically they were catching Colt on a technicality of the half cock being a "safety" mechanism but wasn't because it could somehow fire but only if you did an extremely unlikely strike with a blunt object like a hammer. So Colt just came out with the Series 80s vs 70s and the lawsuits went away. They put a quarter notch hammer and even if you somehow struck it and caused it to fall on the fire pin, the firepin block would block a fire and even if the fin pin block was removed and the quarter notch wouldn't have enough power to hit the primer. My thought is SIG is probably waiting for the right moment to make their change. Due to how lawsuits work, my thought is SIG is waiting on a large scale lawsuit to occur, then they can set a precedent by simply paying out the party and just making the change. That would be a heck of a lot less costly than if they make the change, which thereby admitting to a fault, and then having to pay out unlimited lawsuits as people bring suits against them. |
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I never liked the gun. I shot one and was underwhelmed. Trigger wasn't great and the angle just feels like shit. That said. The only reason to believe SIG, is because the lawsuit that would come out of this would be ten fold the eotech lawsuit. Honestly the eotech situation wasn't even bad. I've owned many early 512s, in an area where the temps go from -40 to 100 degrees from winter to summer, and I thought the thermal drift was negligible. Eotech was sued for lying about it, more-so than the effects it actually had. Compare that to lying about a gun that's going off randomly. |
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Quoted: Please, share with the class where these $250 price range Glocks can be found. https://officerstore.com/firearms/used-firearms |
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I think the issue with 320's is that there really isn't a consensus about what exactly is causing the issue, theres a few videos out there that make sense but they seem to be for slightly different reasons, and the manufacture just labels any criticsm as an antigun conspiricy. I bought one a few years back as a project gun figuring that shit happens with new gun designs and they would eventually make corrective actions, but that never happened, 10 years later 320's. are still going off in holsters, a problem that does not exist in their 365 line. i sold it to a friend who recently stopped shooting it. He replaced it with a springfield echelon and really likes it. I may pick up one as a glock replacement. |
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Quoted: Sig is dead to me now. Only if Cohen leaves along with the other dirtbags and they admit to all their BS will I consider buying anything Sig again….unless I come across a sweet German/W German gun at the right price. Both my friend and I have arrived at the same conclusion. I really like their 226 X-Five, and understand shit happens but damn, Sig pretty much destroyed any good will they had with the community. At this point, if I was to add another steel frame pistol to compliment my 2011, it would probably be a Shadow 2 or maybe a 92x variant. |
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The guns are trash, they have too many design flaws, and there are too many better alternatives, even at lower price points. Guns I’ve seen for sale, brand new, for less than $400 include the Ruger RXM, CZ P10, Beretta APX, Springfield XD, Arex Delta, about half the Canik line, and so on. What does the P320 do better than these? |