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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:06:01 PM EDT
I found two timed artillery fuzes and a solid projectile in a tin can yesterday. My father in law owned a factory that made munitions and various other military items but I don't know why he had these. The fuze looks to me like they are WW1 German, but I don't know anything about these things so I'm guessing.
There was also a solid steel projectile with a brass ring swagged on it to engage the rifleing. It has been cut to show this ring. Anyone know anything about this stuff? (more info and pics below) Fuze 1 Below Stamped on it: Dopp . Z . 92 o Vorst. Sp 18 29 The time ring goes from 2 - 40    Fuze 2 H . Z . 05 . 17 . Sonr Sb 18 Time ring goes from 3 -70    Here's the solid steel projectile cutaway. It measures 25MM at the raised brass ring X 99MM long.   
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:07:36 PM EDT
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Dibs on guns. And that is pretty neat
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:09:42 PM EDT
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Ever heard of a 'StarGate'? 
Well don't fuck with the time rings or we're all doomed. 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:09:44 PM EDT
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Does a artilery fuse have any type of explosive in it? Hit it with a hammer numerous times to make sure it is inert....
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:09:57 PM EDT
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Can't tell you anything about them, but cool find
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:12:45 PM EDT
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Quoted: Does a artilery fuse have any type of explosive in it? Hit it with a hammer numerous times to make sure it is inert.... I don't think so... I found them by knocking the tin can from a shelf that was about 7 feet from a concrete floor. 
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:15:22 PM EDT
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I hope those fuzes dont have the Boosters in them. Especially being that old.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:16:18 PM EDT
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I wouldn't fuck with em, but thats just me.
I'm lucky I still have all 9 fingers considering my past history with gun related stuff blowing up in me face. ETA: 10! I have 10 fingers! |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:18:34 PM EDT
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We found this at work at the old Charleston Navy base.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:21:56 PM EDT
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Ummm yeah.
There could still be a few grams of something very nasty in those units. Just because they did not detonate when they hit the deck the first time means nothing. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:22:26 PM EDT
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Quoted:
We found this at work at the old Charleston Navy base.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/strycnine/0315090650-1.jpg And I'd go "HAHA Fuck you, I'm walking thataway." Old ordnance, especially unidentifiable does not make Freerider a happy person. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:26:35 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
We found this at work at the old Charleston Navy base.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e333/strycnine/0315090650-1.jpg And I'd go "HAHA Fuck you, I'm walking thataway." Old ordnance, especially unidentifiable does not make Freerider a happy person. An employee was turning the fuse . I got the fuck out of there.
Airforce guys came by and got it. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:30:01 PM EDT
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I wouldn't fuck with em, but thats just me. I'm lucky I still have all 9 fingers considering my past history with gun related stuff blowing up in me face. wat? |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:39:55 PM EDT
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No, but I found this old one in St. Micheals MD, my wife wont let me bring it in the house.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:41:33 PM EDT
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Do NOT fuck with UXO unless you want the nickname 'stumpy'.
Kharn |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:45:24 PM EDT
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The steel projo is probably a training cutaway, of an early anti-tank rifle round...
The cavity in the back would be for tracer compound... |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:48:22 PM EDT
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Messing with UXOs is so a bad idea.............
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:48:54 PM EDT
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Quoted:
Quoted:
I wouldn't fuck with em, but thats just me. I'm lucky I still have all 9 fingers considering my past history with gun related stuff blowing up in me face. wat?
My 10 fat fingers apparently don't work together with my brain when typing |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:57:37 PM EDT
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I have 8 fingers and 2 thumbs....so far.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 5:58:51 PM EDT
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Does a artilery fuse have any type of explosive in it? Hit it with a hammer numerous times to make sure it is inert.... Uh . . . yeah. Former artillery officer here. Yes, fuses have a small amount of HE in them, they are the initiator for the explosive chain and they detonate the primary charge. That's more or less the whole point of a fuze. Now, on a modern fuze you can play baseball with it and you would be OK, because the fuze only arms after it spins for a little bit after the shell is fired. On a fuze this old who knows? Obviously, as you said you already knocked it off a shelf and still have all your fingers and toes. It's either inert by design or you got lucky or it needs to be fired and spin first before it arms. Anyway, you are better off having it properly disposed of. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 6:00:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: lulzI wouldn't fuck with em, but thats just me. I'm lucky I still have all 9 fingers considering my past history with gun related stuff blowing up in me face. ETA: 10! I have 10 fingers! |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:14:08 PM EDT
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The two fuzes are powder train time fuzes probably used in front ejecting shrapnel rounds. Hot gases from the projectile propellant ignite a pyrotechnic composition in the fuze which has the burn length adjusted by turning the rings. I don't have my WWI German ordnance pubs at home so I can't look up the exact identification/functioning. The second fuze is very similar to the fuze found in US/French 75mm shrapnel projectiles.
I've graduated EOD school in 1980 and only have 8 fingers. And two thumbs. |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:16:53 PM EDT
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The stamping definitely looks German.
If you can't get an answer here. These chaps can help British Ordnance Collectors Network Forums |
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:17:11 PM EDT
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The brass ring on the small projectile is known as the "rotating band" despite the fact that it isn't supposed to rotate. To determine the size of the projectile you have to measure at the widest part of the steel body, not the outside of the rotating band.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 7:21:45 PM EDT
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To Metalman - if your cannon ball has a brass plug-like thing in it, it probably contains a black powder filler and is still very dangerous. The plug is about the size of a nickel or quarter and should be obvious. If the ball is all iron with no plug it still has a DDOT hazard associated with it.
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Posted: 9/13/2010 8:03:45 PM EDT
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Fuze 1 Below Stamped on it: Dopp . Z . 92 o Vorst. Sp 18 29 The time ring goes from 2 - 40 "Fuze 1" Dopp. = Doppel Zunder: Time & Percussion Fuse Z. = Zunder: Fuze 92 = 1892 (year adopted) 17=? O Vorst. Vorstecker means "safety pin". I believe the O may be an abbreviation for "Ohne" which means "without". So without safety pin? The time graduations are 6/8 to 28 in seconds and eights of of a second. When the setting mark is opposite the cross, the fuse is set for percussion 
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Fuze 2 H . Z . 05 . 17 . Sonr Sb 18 Time ring goes from 3 -70 The H.Z. 05 is listed under "Obsolete German Artillery Fuzes." pg.4 (c) Fuzes for Universal Shell. "Fuze 2" H.Z. = Haubitz-ziinder: Howitzer Fuse 05 = 1905 (year adopted) Schr not "scnr". Schr = Schrapnel: Shrapnel Source: "Notes of German Fuzes 1918" |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 4:36:27 AM EDT
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Quoted: The two fuzes are powder train time fuzes probably used in front ejecting shrapnel rounds. Hot gases from the projectile propellant ignite a pyrotechnic composition in the fuze which has the burn length adjusted by turning the rings. I don't have my WWI German ordnance pubs at home so I can't look up the exact identification/functioning. The second fuze is very similar to the fuze found in US/French 75mm shrapnel projectiles. I've graduated EOD school in 1980 and only have 8 fingers. And two thumbs. Not that this means much, but the second fuze has a wax pencil marking on it in two places that says "75". More than likely written by my father in law. His company made things like this during WWII and there was a pile of old stuff like this that they had around for examples. Most was disposed of long ago but some of it is still turning up. I know they made hand grenades, I found a whole 55 gallon drum of them years ago in a backroom of the plant. The lid was marked "dispose". They weren't live, just the main part, no paint, no go boom stuff. |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 4:40:46 AM EDT
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Quoted: The brass ring on the small projectile is known as the "rotating band" despite the fact that it isn't supposed to rotate. To determine the size of the projectile you have to measure at the widest part of the steel body, not the outside of the rotating band. That part measures 24.89mm. An odd size. The actual diameter on the raised ring is 25.54. |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 4:42:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Fuze 1 Below Stamped on it: Dopp . Z . 92 o Vorst. Sp 18 29 The time ring goes from 2 - 40 "Fuze 1" Dopp. = Doppel Zunder: Time & Percussion Fuse Z. = Zunder: Fuze 92 = 1892 (year adopted) 17=? O Vorst. Vorstecker means "safety pin". I believe the O may be an abbreviation for "Ohne" which means "without". So without safety pin? The time graduations are 6/8 to 28 in seconds and eights of of a second. When the setting mark is opposite the cross, the fuse is set for percussion http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/4540/pg114fromnotesongermanf.jpg Quoted: Fuze 2 H . Z . 05 . 17 . Sonr Sb 18 Time ring goes from 3 -70 The H.Z. 05 is listed under "Obsolete German Artillery Fuzes." pg.4 (c) Fuzes for Universal Shell. "Fuze 2" H.Z. = Haubitz-ziinder: Howitzer Fuse 05 = 1905 (year adopted) Schr not "scnr". Schr = Schrapnel: Shrapnel Source: "Notes of German Fuzes 1918" Thank you for the info. So I guessed right? They are WWI German. And THANK YOU to all that replied. |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 5:10:44 AM EDT
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Would he not be able to see any material through the hole/holes in the bottom with a bright light?
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Posted: 9/14/2010 10:53:15 AM EDT
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To Metalman - if your cannon ball has a brass plug-like thing in it, it probably contains a black powder filler and is still very dangerous. The plug is about the size of a nickel or quarter and should be obvious. If the ball is all iron with no plug it still has a DDOT hazard associated with it. Some cannonballs also used wooden fuses. I know that I got sick of inerting cannonballs, with both brass and wood fuses, when I was with the 45th EOD at Ft Polk in 1966. They had been under water for over a hundred years and some still had dry powder inside. I know someone wants to ask. DDOT means "don't drop on toe." |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 11:16:20 AM EDT
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I know someone wants to ask. DDOT means "don't drop on toe."
In my line of work, we call that a FYFPOSTFH (fuck! you fucking piece of shit! that fucking hurt!) that hazard. I guess yours is a bit easier |
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Posted: 9/14/2010 11:32:45 AM EDT
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Quoted:
To Metalman - if your cannon ball has a brass plug-like thing in it, it probably contains a black powder filler and is still very dangerous. The plug is about the size of a nickel or quarter and should be obvious. If the ball is all iron with no plug it still has a DDOT hazard associated with it. There is no brass plug but it does look like there might be a cast iron plug about the size of a quarter corroded into it. I do think it is solid though, it weighs 29 lbs 5 ounces. A little back story St. Michaels was "The town that fooled the British" during the War of 1812, I don't now for sure this is from then but it is neat to think it might. |
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