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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:00:22 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm quite content with the standard trigger.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:01:10 AM EDT
[#2]
how heavy is the pull? i'd hate to have a 3 pound trigger in a shtf situation...
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:02:16 AM EDT
[#3]
standard trigger. plus spare parts, triggers are cheap enough.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:07:06 AM EDT
[#4]
JARD 3lb.
Because it is very easy for me to aim bumpfire the hell out of it......if I need to. 
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:07:43 AM EDT
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I've heard too many questionable things about match triggers. Don't get me wrong, I'ma gadget guy, but I know from experience that things that work like a charm in training have ahabit of failing when you really need them. Standard GI-style is my way to go.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:14:31 AM EDT
[#6]
I have a Bushmaster and didn't like the stock trigger so I replaced it with the Bushmaster 2 stage trigger.
I like the 2 stage trigger much better and I don't think I would have a problem with it in a SHTF situation. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:18:27 AM EDT
[#7]
IF I were to put a match trigger on a SHTF rifle, it would have to be nonadjustable, like a RRA.
Murphy's Law applies, even to locktited set screws. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:21:13 AM EDT
[#8]
I would not use a trigger that uses adjustable screws for my "go to" rifle. One of the screws on my Jewell trigger came loose. Twice.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:23:29 AM EDT
[#9]
The CMC triggers are very nice, and don't have any sort of adjustment / set screws.
Honestly I think there are other parts which are a bigger failure risk than any trigger. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:33:46 AM EDT
[#10]
The Bushmaster two stage is renowned for crapping out. Us highpower shooters have found that one out. I have seen no less than a dozen of them go at our local club. The Bushmaster is a knock off of Frank White's (CLE) but without the hardened carbide insert. Good luck. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:34:51 AM EDT
[#11]
THIS is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:39:01 AM EDT
[#12]
That may be true. It is why I keep certain replacement parts (e.g. complete bolt, carrier, charging handle, etc.) in my range bag. I could encounter a failure of one of those parts and be back in business. If a screw fell out of your trigger... Then again, I keep a fire control group in my spare parts too.  On another note, I took a Ken Hackathorn CQB class with a rifle in which I had installed a RRA two-stage trigger. I wanted to see if it would make a difference during some of the drills. On a couple drills I sent the second round downrange a little sooner than I was expecting.  I guess practice will fix that though.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:42:27 AM EDT
[#13]
I wouldn't put the Jewell in a SHTF rifle. Jewell says right in the directions to NOT use his trigger with military ammo. It batters the trigger which is NOT hardened.
The Jewell is a great trigger. I selected it for my Match rifle; which is where it belongs, NOT in a SHTF or otherwise mil. spec. rifle. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:43:12 AM EDT
[#14]
That's my plan as well. Keep a spare FCG and a punch and you're in bidness. I like the CMC and you can't tear it away from me. I'll keep a spare CMC trigger on hand if that's what it comes to. That's a real quick swap too with his drop-in set. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:44:16 AM EDT
[#15]
All depends on what I grab when the S hits TF, doesn't it?
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:45:42 AM EDT
[#16]
RRA match on all 'cept my 9mm.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:45:53 AM EDT
[#17]
I use the original trigger, but I had a good gunsmith smooth it up. It breaks really nice @4 pounds. I didn't want it any lighter for a shtf firearm.
eta... I've got the Jewell on my AR varmint rig. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 10:47:48 AM EDT
[#18]
Another reason to not use a Jewell in a SHTF rifle is that the Jewell hammer spring is notorious for not having the strength of the USGI hammer spring. If you notice, it is a proprietary spring and is nothing at all like a USGI hammer spring. It does not have the strength to reliably ignite hard military primers. It is also not advised to use a Jewell in a .22LR upper. I have tried with both the Air Force kit and the Army 261, to no use. It was unreliable at best. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:03:03 AM EDT
[#19]
Rock River two-stage.
No problems after 5000+ rnds. What kind of wear/damage should I look for? |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:15:47 AM EDT
[#20]
Some guys have reported "loosing the first stage" with the RRA trigger. The only first-hand knowledge I have of one doing this was on a friend's rifle that didn't get cleaned very well. The trigger was just filthy. He sent the trigger back to RRA and they sent him, IIRC, a new trigger. Maybe they just cleaned his up. All I know was it worked again and he was happy. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:43:00 AM EDT
[#21]
good afternoon.
no offense meant, and i hope none taken, but i would be afraid of an aftermarket trigger and/or fire control parts on a 'fighting gun'. i have fired rifles with them and liked them, but i guess i am old/old fashioned and like to stick with the proven stuff. i might consider a different trigger if i were shooting long range or varmints a long way off, but for now i am happy with a 4# trigger that breaks cleanly. peace. billr |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:44:17 AM EDT
[#22]
RRA 2-stage.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:46:46 AM EDT
[#23]
Agreed on both. Have a Rock River two-stage in all my ARs.....thus far 6...but I need MORE! Ahh...I mean I had six before the boating accident.....curse those tippy canoes! |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:47:26 AM EDT
[#24]
I don't get it - with the exception of triggers that break, why do so many people here have a problem with some aftermarket parts?
The originals (GI parts) were made on contract by the lowest bidder... Am I out of line for not thinking that USGI is always the end-all, be-all? |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:47:58 AM EDT
[#25]
Standard old Bushmaster trigger does me just fine.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:52:40 AM EDT
[#26]
Thanks for the question, bubba. Reminds me I need to add a trigger kit to my spares.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 11:56:19 AM EDT
[#27]
Agreed! I use the original trigger smoothed up for my shtf rifle and the jewell is on the Varmint rifle. 4 pounds feels 'right'! Not too light and not so hard as to require a 'jerk'. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:20:25 PM EDT
[#28]
There is more to it than that. The GI trigger feels heavier and has more pretravel FOR A REASON: the hammer and sear engage at an angle such that the hammer has to cam back before it is released (remove your upper and pull the trigger to see this happening if you don't believe me). This arrangement on the GI FCG adds a significant margin of safety when the weapon is being carried on patrol and when "palms are sweaty". Example: say the rifleman aims at a target, begins to take up the trigger, but then changes his mind (e.g. the enemy disappears behind cover) and does not fire. When the trigger is released, the hammer-sear angle on the GI FCG causes the hammer to fully relax back to the start position. With all the match triggers I have seen, the hammer remains where it is, amounting to a more dangerous "hair trigger" situation. I am a big fan of light match triggers on my match guns, and my JP has never let me down in several thousands of rounds fired in 3-gun competition, but I would NOT use anything other than a GI trigger on my SHTF rifles. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:43:32 PM EDT
[#29]
excellent post!
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:44:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Stealthyblagga: Thanks for the education. Consider me schooled.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 12:49:23 PM EDT
[#31]
I chose the standard GI trigger in my 20" go to rifle but improved it with some JP reduced power springs. i have yet to have a light primer strike or round go off useing the springs but it did indeed improve the trigger pull drasticaly.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 1:03:00 PM EDT
[#32]
Excellent post. Useful information. But...there are tons of people carrying 1911s with very light triggers with no pretravel at all. Basic firearm safety applies in either case: keep your finger off the trigger. If I'm carrying a rifle with a 3lb trigger, I have to practice the same firearm safety that I would if I have a stock GI trigger, right? This topic has come up before and a lot of folks say the same thing you do about a rifle trigger for SHTF, but some of those same folks (I'm not saying you, but others) carry 1911s with very light triggers and some have even said that their 1911 is their SHTF sidearm to back up their rifle. Why the double standard? I'm not trying to be combative, I just want to understand what it is I'm missing. |
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Posted: 2/21/2006 1:04:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Been using the LMT 2 stage and consider it a big improvement over a stock bushy trigger. Seems alot more rugged too.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 1:07:40 PM EDT
[#34]
I've seen a few match triggers go down during classes.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 2:22:10 PM EDT
[#35]
Thanks stealthyblagga. I never knew why the change in angles for the fancy triggers - I love it when I learn something new.
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Posted: 2/21/2006 2:27:39 PM EDT
[#36]
On 2 of them, 2 do not. RRA 'S
Forgot a comma. 
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Posted: 2/21/2006 4:16:16 PM EDT
[#37]
I agree. Some people do carry 1911s with 4lb triggers, which is their business, but I wouldn't. I use an STI double-stack 1911 with a 2lb trigger for competitive shooting, but would definitely NOT carry such a trigger on the street - my carry guns are a Glock M27 and a Kahr MK40. |
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