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Posted: 1/6/2006 2:15:24 PM EDT
In VA it's a class 4 misdemeanor. Punishable by a fine of up to $250. Anyone ever hear of anyone being charged with it?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:17:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 2:17:46 PM EDT by MuRDoC]
I sued for divorce on those grounds, they didn't go after her
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:18:30 PM EDT
Nope. I don't recall anyone being charged with that.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:19:55 PM EDT
Happens all the time in the military.
They don't look too kindly at tapping into other G.I.s poontang.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:20:43 PM EDT
I heard of it happening twice while I was in the Air Force. Both were Officer-Enlisted fraternization, and both times the parties involved were convicted and discharged.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:20:52 PM EDT
In the Army, HELL YES!

Guys get slammed for it all the time. Forfiture of pay, restiction to post, 45 days extra duty, and eventually a dishonorable discharge.

They don't always get the maximum punishment, but I've seen it a few times.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 2:50:04 PM EDT
Would someone who was retired from the Marine Corp risk loosing any benefits as the result of this charge?
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:03:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:10:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Would someone who was retired from the Marine Corp risk loosing any benefits as the result of this charge?



I am pretty sure that retirees fall under civil law instead of the UCMJ. I would make sure to stay away from "teenagery" if you are old enough to be retired though!
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 3:13:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/6/2006 3:16:18 PM EDT by Aviator]
Who was that female Air Force bomber pilot that got charged with it?

Aviator


ETA: Lt. Kelly Flinn



Link Posted: 1/6/2006 10:54:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Would someone who was retired from the Marine Corp risk loosing any benefits as the result of this charge?




I believe this was true 15 years ago when I was in the USAF Security police.

If I recall correctly...

Article 2 of the UCMJ listed specifically who the UCMJ applied to, which was pretty much everyone that was receiving a paycheck from a military service. This included retirees, guardsmen doing their 2 week stint, even certain members of govt medical and weather agencies while working for military units.

There were several criminal cases overturned in later years regarding ROTC cadets, guardsmen, etc, because they were not on the military payroll at the time of the crime.


The UCMJ was an interesting read back then, because NOTHING was ever deleted from it. There were still Articles against duelling, as in march ten paces, turn and fire a blackpowder pistol at your opponent. Lots of incredibly outdated laws, but still being enforced.

The USAF vigorously prosecuted everyone at my SAC base, for ever stupid possible infraction, including wrongful cohabitation, as in living with someone who is not your spouse. You were expected to live apart until after the wedding. I deliberately overlooked this nonsense when the situation allowed.

Our Sqdn communicated numerous times a day with local LE agencies, and when someone who was retired got busted by them, we turned the info over to the JAG's office for further action.

I got my first taste of SAC idiocy during my first meeting with my Chief of Security Police. He handed me a piece of paper with the names of the single female lieutenants on the base, and fully expected me to restrict my dating efforts to these three ugly wackjobs.

Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:10:07 PM EDT
"Article 2 of the UCMJ listed specifically who the UCMJ applied to, which was pretty much everyone that was receiving a paycheck from a military service. This included retirees, guardsmen doing their 2 week stint, even certain members of govt medical and weather agencies while working for military units."

Interesting. Too bad this doesn't apply to the Commander in Chief as of a few short years ago...

-Gator
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:15:35 PM EDT
I can no longer count with my fingers and toes combined how many people I know who have been guilty of adultery and lost pay, rank, and/or time (served as extra duty). Happens everyday in the military.
Link Posted: 1/6/2006 11:59:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 12:02:35 AM EDT by eodtech2000]

Originally Posted By nf9648:
I can no longer count with my fingers and toes combined how many people I know who have been guilty of adultery and lost pay, rank, and/or time (served as extra duty). Happens everyday in the military.



We had two dipshits in my EOD unit tag my friends wife, while my friend and I were on a VIP POTUS support in LA in 97. When we got back to our unit, my friend had to go to Redstone for a class and I went TDY to Ft Irwin. When I got back from Ft Irwin a week later the beans had spilled, I notice my friend doing a Memorandum of record and my Commander is tape recording conversasions with some of the guys.

This went over like a lead balloon, my friend was confined to Redstone till our Commander and Bn Commander Commander could get these shitbags moved over the mountains to Ft Lewis. Most people would say what is the big deal, well as a EOD Team Leader, my friend could go up to the ASP and our Bunkers and draw explosives UNESCORTED, sure would a make dramatic payback!!!! We always had about four to six cases of C-4 on hand.

One of the dirtbags who was a SGT got busted down to E-4, General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art 15 and a less than honorable discharge.

The other dirtbag who was PFC got busted to E-1,General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art.15, and chaptered out of the Army also with a less than honorable discharge.

The CSM over at our Battalion worked their asses from 0400 to 2359 hrs for 45 days.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 12:39:10 AM EDT
It is actually Article 134 UCMJ. Punishable by Dishonorable Discharge, forefeiture of all pay and allowances and confinement for one year. Yes it is prosecuted.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 1:17:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By nf9648:
I can no longer count with my fingers and toes combined how many people I know who have been guilty of adultery and lost pay, rank, and/or time (served as extra duty). Happens everyday in the military.



We had two dipshits in my EOD unit tag my friends wife, while my friend and I were on a VIP POTUS support in LA in 97. When we got back to our unit, my friend had to go to Redstone for a class and I went TDY to Ft Irwin. When I got back from Ft Irwin a week later the beans had spilled, I notice my friend doing a Memorandum of record and my Commander is tape recording conversasions with some of the guys.

This went over like a lead balloon, my friend was confined to Redstone till our Commander and Bn Commander Commander could get these shitbags moved over the mountains to Ft Lewis. Most people would say what is the big deal, well as a EOD Team Leader, my friend could go up to the ASP and our Bunkers and draw explosives UNESCORTED, sure would a make dramatic payback!!!! We always had about four to six cases of C-4 on hand.

One of the dirtbags who was a SGT got busted down to E-4, General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art 15 and a less than honorable discharge.

The other dirtbag who was PFC got busted to E-1,General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art.15, and chaptered out of the Army also with a less than honorable discharge.

The CSM over at our Battalion worked their asses from 0400 to 2359 hrs for 45 days.



Ive got a former BDE CSM who was forced into retirement for impregnating a PFC who worked in the S1. His wife wasnt happy either.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:29:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
In VA it's a class 4 misdemeanor. Punishable by a fine of up to $250. Anyone ever hear of anyone being charged with it?



No. In many states the real reason why it is a crime is so parties in a divorce cannot be forced to testify about it in their divorce hearings. 5th Amendment, doncha know....



The USAF vigorously prosecuted everyone at my SAC base, for ever stupid possible infraction, including wrongful cohabitation, as in living with someone who is not your spouse. You were expected to live apart until after the wedding. I deliberately overlooked this nonsense when the situation allowed.


I used to hear this from commanders all the time, "they're living together, that's wrongful cohabitation!" I'd direct them to actually READ the fucking UCMJ article: to be an offense, wrongful cohabitation requires holding themselves out as man and wife when they aren't married. Shacking up isn't a crime under the UCMJ.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 2:36:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/7/2006 2:46:59 AM EDT by FieroLoki]
NVM, maybe I shouldnt share that.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:29:12 AM EDT
I understand it's a felony here in WI. Never heard of anyone being prosecuted though.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 5:49:41 AM EDT
UCMJ
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 6:59:26 AM EDT
Only in the military, where adultery is common, but prosecution is not.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:53:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MARNESAPPER:
It is actually Article 134 UCMJ. Punishable by Dishonorable Discharge, forefeiture of all pay and allowances and confinement for one year. Yes it is prosecuted.



Yes, Article 134 - the "we can prosecute you for anything we feel like that we forgot anywhere else" clause. The origin of the book and phrase "Catch-22".
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:57:29 AM EDT
As of today, purchasing or utilizing a prostitute for sex is punishable under Art. 134, UCMJ as well.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 7:58:56 AM EDT
I would imagine that a prosecution for adultery would wind up with all sorts of legal challenges against it. Wouldn't it? Whatever you think of adultery -- does the state have any real right to enforce criminal law for fidelity in the marriage relationship?

I think these laws are leftovers of another time and they continue to exist mainly because they haven't been enforced in the modern legal environment.

Military is different. There you are talking about military morale and cohesiveness of the unit. Different issues than for civilians. (But I gotta tell you, I saw a hell of a lot of it when I was in the military.)
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:02:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By JSteensen:
As of today, purchasing or utilizing a prostitute for sex is punishable under Art. 134, UCMJ as well.



Gee, I am real glad that when I was in the military and there were open and obvious whorehouses in every city and village within driving distance of the main gate, that none of the guys I knew ever patronized those evil women.

I would hate to think that any of our boys in uniform would be caught dead doing something like that.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:15:42 AM EDT
Not sure about sarcasm...but its perfectly legal under local civillian law (here in Germany), but not UCMJ. (now)
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:27:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tc6969:

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Would someone who was retired from the Marine Corp risk loosinglosing any benefits as the result of this charge?



And would those benefits stay Loostlost?







Had to fix even though it was funny!



Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:29:47 AM EDT
Only in the military and only when you piss off a colonel.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:30:23 AM EDT
Frank Sinatra
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:30:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Would someone who was retired from the Marine Corp risk loosing any benefits as the result of this charge?



No, only with a capital crime.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:47:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:

Originally Posted By nf9648:
I can no longer count with my fingers and toes combined how many people I know who have been guilty of adultery and lost pay, rank, and/or time (served as extra duty). Happens everyday in the military.



We had two dipshits in my EOD unit tag my friends wife, while my friend and I were on a VIP POTUS support in LA in 97. When we got back to our unit, my friend had to go to Redstone for a class and I went TDY to Ft Irwin. When I got back from Ft Irwin a week later the beans had spilled, I notice my friend doing a Memorandum of record and my Commander is tape recording conversasions with some of the guys.

This went over like a lead balloon, my friend was confined to Redstone till our Commander and Bn Commander Commander could get these shitbags moved over the mountains to Ft Lewis. Most people would say what is the big deal, well as a EOD Team Leader, my friend could go up to the ASP and our Bunkers and draw explosives UNESCORTED, sure would a make dramatic payback!!!! We always had about four to six cases of C-4 on hand.

One of the dirtbags who was a SGT got busted down to E-4, General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art 15 and a less than honorable discharge.

The other dirtbag who was PFC got busted to E-1,General letter of Reprimand, Field Grade Art.15, and chaptered out of the Army also with a less than honorable discharge.

The CSM over at our Battalion worked their asses from 0400 to 2359 hrs for 45 days.




FugginA! Good! Hope that pussy was worth it, boys.

I can't stand cheaters, especially in the military. I'd love to tell you the story of the REMF who boinked one of our SGT's wives during NTC rotation, but I don't want to get in trouble Let's just say he couldn't WAIT to discharge, and his life was hell until his Article 30 (yes, 30, not 15). Don't fuck with 1st ID. Our CSM didn't like cheaters, either

Unfortunately, the SGT became a depressed wreck of what was once a great leader, and none of us could alleviate his funk. He took a hardship discharge and I don't know if he was ever able to get over what that bitch and her REMF lover did to him. Personally, I hope they bot got hit by a train and Greg is knee deep in pussy or finally found happiness in another marriage to a real lady.

A great man, ruined by the need for some strange on the part of his wife.

Ask me, cheating spouses should be shot. And if the other party knew they were married - as in this example - they should be handed over to the battalion for a beating, and then shot, and then shot again, and then hung out to rot in the formation area.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 8:56:36 AM EDT
Prosecuter in Gem county charged a girl with adultery when she went to try to collect welfare. She got probation.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 9:00:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 9:46:41 AM EDT


He was charged with Seduction, not Adultery. My bad.
Link Posted: 1/7/2006 12:33:39 PM EDT
Depends on the command .
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 6:00:20 AM EDT
In foreign countries it can be a bigger deal. I've heard of a few cases in Taiwan. It's punishable by a year in prison.

However, the law is worded so that only actual P-V intercourse counts, and you basically have to catch them in the act and get photos.

The one guy I know who (ahem) got nailed by private investigators turned around and sued the husband for unlawful breaking and entering, harrassment, and so on, and lied his ass off about how he didn't know the woman was married. The guy got off, the husband got sent to prison.
Link Posted: 1/8/2006 6:40:12 AM EDT
only in the military
i got busted and made an example of shortly after i made corporal, seems my gf forgot to tell me she was married (this was back in the day of open posts) i knocked her up, and apprently her husbands ltc came knocking on my commanders tent and "suggested" that i be dealt with with "extreme prejudice" (the shit hit the fan while we were deployed and this ltc was the task force commander).

so basically my boot licking, soldier fucking useless shitbag more of a paperpusher than soldierleading fuckstick of a commander, instead of investigating everything nailed my ass to the wall. I admitted to having sex with her (im a man i tell the truth) but was very suprised to find out she was married.

Result, reduction from cpl to pvt lots of playing park ranger in the dessert picking up "litter" with a stick, shit burning, and my favorite, relandscaping a 100ft by 100ft section of northern kuwait, on wheelbarrow full of sand at a time.

i ended up not being able to reenlist, and they pulled back my transfer to cid, for which the packet and clearances had just cleared. I had to do 2 years in the reserve to prove that i wasn't a shitbag and become eligable for a transfer back to active duty.


What pisses me off more than that is that if your wife leaves yopu, and u file for divorce or you become leagaly seperated and have divore preceding pending, you can still get nailed for adultery, even though your spouse can have sex with whoever she wants. In my last case they had to wait to finalize the divorce until they could find my x to serve her,,,that equaled no action for me for damn near 8 months.
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