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Posted: 3/19/2006 4:56:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:00:04 PM EDT by Zippy_The_Wonderdog]
Quite some time ago a did a bit of research on global warming and the general consensus seemed to be that the global warming trend was in all likelihood not attributed to the actions of man rather general gobal climatic changes and the bursts of a few volcanos.

I happen to personally know a respected meterologist, and this was his viewpoint as well.

They guy on 60 min. tonight was portrayed as having very good credentials, and it was his opinion that we have 10 years to seriously curb our greenhouse gas emissions or the shit is really gonna start hitting the fan.

Anyone with a good grasp on this topic care to comment?

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:04:53 PM EDT
Ask Ozone Al Gore, he thinks he's the expert.

Otherwise, much ado about nothing, IMO. As you mentioned, nature runs in cycles. Otherwise, we'd still have dinosauers, no?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:07:43 PM EDT
I believe it is a real threat. I think our grandchildren are in trouble.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:08:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:10:24 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By BobCole:
Ask Ozone Al Gore, he thinks he's the expert.

Otherwise, much ado about nothing, IMO. As you mentioned, nature runs in cycles. Otherwise, we'd still have dinosauers, no?



That might have been caused by an asteroid impact, but I know what you are saying.

I believe that humans are just speeding the cycle up, not changing it. Basically, it doesn't matter what we do, climate change is inevitible. Nature also has a way of correcting itself, a disease (or ice age) that wipes out half or more of the population would certainly lower pollution and other man-made problems.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:13:56 PM EDT
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:15:09 PM EDT
I've a cousin who's theory is its simply a cycle. The bad storms and warm weather comes every 30-100 years or so. But last time it happend there wasnt the technology to really notice and keep track like we are now.

I think he has a good idea and hope its true, he thinks warm weather and bad storms will last 5-10 years.



I think he studied into it a bit and such so he just might be right, scientists think the same way, although some are stuck on the greenhouse gasses stuff.

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:17:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
I've a cousin who's theory is its simply a cycle. The bad storms and warm weather comes every 30-100 years or so. But last time it happend there wasnt the technology to really notice and keep track like we are now.

I think he has a good idea and hope its true, he thinks warm weather and bad storms will last 5-10 years.



I think he studied into it a bit and such so he just might be right, scientists think the same way, although some are stuck on the greenhouse gasses stuff.




We have ice cores that go back 10s of thousands of years, this allows us to measure things such as atmospheric content and annual snowfall.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:18:01 PM EDT
I broke the dam.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:20:39 PM EDT
A) Why are you wasting your time watching 60 Minutes?

B) The people who think that we are having such a huge effect on the earth have an overinflated view of their own importance. Individually, we are insignificant. As a species, the human race is just a minor speck upon the planet.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:20:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:21:40 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:22:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



Makes sense to me.

Hmmm... I gotta remember to keep my balls away from lightbulbs.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:24:13 PM EDT
I think its just cycles but I think we still should curb greenhouse gases. Better to be safe than sorry.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:25:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hipster:

B) The people who think that we are having such a huge effect on the earth have an overinflated view of their own importance. Individually, we are insignificant. As a species, the human race is just a minor speck upon the planet.



Humans are one of the few animals that changes the environment to suit themselves rather than adapting themselves to suit the environment. We have had an effect. However, to think that we are going to be here forever is overinflating out own importance.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:26:20 PM EDT
25 years ago these same "scientists" said we had 20 years until SHTF.



BTW, there's more and more evidence that Earth is experiencing global cooling not warming.

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:36:08 PM EDT
These folks that keep whining about global warming should just be damn glad that we are not in an ice age which is the earth's normal state. There are about four cycles that have a noticable effect on the earth's climate. One of which is solar activity which has exceptionally active in recent years, yet no one seems to connect this with "global warming". There are not too many real climatologists who really believe that man is causing a catastrophic warming of the planet. A good book on global warming, although a fiction, is State of Fear. The author did a great deal of research into global warming and includes many footnotes and references in the novel.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:44:54 PM EDT
I think my great great great great great great great grandchildrens grandchildrens grandchildren will be in trouble if they don't get the bird flu.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:45:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:46:27 PM EDT by Skibane]

Originally Posted By Flushdraw:
25 years ago these same "scientists" said we had 20 years until SHTF.



Yep, around 15 years ago, I remember reading claims that we only had 10 years to save the planet.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:47:27 PM EDT
Global warming is an excuse for communist and socialist to shut down capitalism and private industry. They won't be happy until we are all living in squaller like the late 1880's.

Man made global warming is complete bull shit.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:48:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Skibane:

Originally Posted By Flushdraw:
25 years ago these same "scientists" said we had 20 years until SHTF.



Yep, around 15 years ago, I remember reading claims that we only had 10 years to save the planet.




What they meant was we had 10 years to give them tons of grant money.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:51:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:53:10 PM EDT by IndianaDean]
The science pieces I have seen say there is just as much evidence the earth will go into another ice age as there is for global warming. It also said if you concentrated every human on earth into one land mass on the globe, they wouldn't even affect the climate/weather for that concentrated area, much less the entire planet. If the planet is headed toward global warming, there's no credible evidence to suggest humans are causing or accelerating it.

Even so, I agree we need to cut back on the greenhouse effects, and we need to find cheaper, alternative sources of energy.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:52:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Skibane:

Originally Posted By Flushdraw:
25 years ago these same "scientists" said we had 20 years until SHTF.



Yep, around 15 years ago, I remember reading claims that we only had 10 years to save the planet.



You really have to look at the credentials behind these "scientists". The serious ones usually refrain from giving timeframes.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:53:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 5:53:59 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By IndianaDean:
The science pieces I have seen say there is just as much evidence the earth will go into another ice age as there is for global warming. It also said if you concentrated every human on earth into one land mass on the globe, they wouldn't even affect the climate/weather for that concentrated area, much less the entire planet. If the planet is headed toward global warming, there's no credible evidence to suggest humans are causing or accelerating it.



I have heard that global warming actually causes us to enter a cooling period (ice age). It's really funny to hear people arguing that humans don't effect the environment and that we can't possibly cause a large scale climate change.

It's funny because we'll all be dead before we find out who is right and who is wrong.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:53:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 5:56:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 6:01:15 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth (and it's at the same distance from the sun as the earth). Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:01:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth. Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.



Not saying that the atmosphere makes no difference...just saying that we are BOUND to gain some heat from the scource, and temperature fluctuations over time...I realize I am simplifying it
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:05:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 6:05:38 PM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth. Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.



Not saying that the atmosphere makes no difference...just saying that we are BOUND to gain some heat from the scource, and temperature fluctuations over time...I realize I am simplifying it



I know, but this is simple thermodynamics. Energy flows. The earth does not just absorb all energy, it radiates as well. The biggest temperature fluctuations do not appear to be caused by the sun, but Earth's atmosphere and tilt in relation to the sun.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:09:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth. Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.



Not saying that the atmosphere makes no difference...just saying that we are BOUND to gain some heat from the scource, and temperature fluctuations over time...I realize I am simplifying it



I know, but this is simple thermodynamics. Energy flows. The earth does not just absorb all energy, it radiates as well. The biggest temperature fluctuations do not appear to be caused by the sun, but Earth's atmosphere and tilt in relation to the sun.



Ill buy that...Just wont buy the whole "Man is causing global warming" schpeel.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:13:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth. Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.



Not saying that the atmosphere makes no difference...just saying that we are BOUND to gain some heat from the scource, and temperature fluctuations over time...I realize I am simplifying it



I know, but this is simple thermodynamics. Energy flows. The earth does not just absorb all energy, it radiates as well. The biggest temperature fluctuations do not appear to be caused by the sun, but Earth's atmosphere and tilt in relation to the sun.



Ill buy that...Just wont buy the whole "Man is causing global warming" schpeel.



And neither will I.

Man is making it work faster...but like I said, it's inevitible. Also, volcanic eruptions could happen at ANY TIME that would cause much more catastrophic climate changes than we could ever dream of cooking up.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:13:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:

Originally Posted By blacklisted:

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



If you have a tennis ball with an atmosphere sitting in a vacuum and covered with >70% water and it rotates on a tilted axis that changes over time...

You see why it isn't so simple?



Still going to get warmer...its been rotating on that rotisseri for billions of years.



No. Go to the moon and it is like -200 degrees in the shade. The interior of the moon is cold and lifeless, and the moon has been here for about as long as the earth (and it's at the same distance from the sun as the earth). Earth's atmosphere makes a big difference. It is not as simple as you are making it sound. The earth is actually much cooler now than it was during the time of the dinosaurs. Venus is 800 degrees because of its thick atmosphere. Mars is -100 because it barely has an atmosphere.



The highlighted portion in red says it all. Climate change is a reality. We are currently coming out of an ice age. Human activity has zilch to do with it.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:15:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
Quite some time ago a did a bit of research on global warming and the general consensus seemed to be that the global warming trend was in all likelihood not attributed to the actions of man rather general gobal climatic changes and the bursts of a few volcanos.

I happen to personally know a respected meterologist, and this was his viewpoint as well.

They guy on 60 min. tonight was portrayed as having very good credentials, and it was his opinion that we have 10 years to seriously curb our greenhouse gas emissions or the shit is really gonna start hitting the fan.

Anyone with a good grasp on this topic care to comment?




When I was in college back in the 80s, a few of my classes had textbooks (new) that were stating that if some Manhattan-style project was NOT initiated, then we would:

Run out of water

Run out of food

Run out of oxygen

Run out of ozone

The ice caps would melt

We'd enter a new Ice Age

Blah, blah blah.

ALL within the next 25 years.

Guess what? Here it is, 25 years later, and NONE of that shit has happened.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:22:39 PM EDT
My thoughts are that it has been proven that the world has gone through temperature cycles throughout it's history. So obviously, our world is a self-correcting system or it would have tipped and extinguished all life long ago without the need for an asteroid impact.
We may be speeding things up, but I doubt we are going to turn the world into the apocalyptic nightmare of science fiction without an all out nuclear war.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:23:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ragnaroc:
My thoughts are that it has been proven that the world has gone through temperature cycles throughout it's history. So obviously, our world is a self-correcting system or it would have tipped and extinguished all life long ago without the need for an asteroid impact.
We may be speeding things up, but I doubt we are going to turn the world into the apocalyptic nightmare of science fiction without an all out nuclear war.



That's exactly how I feel.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:35:08 PM EDT
So, will bird flu save us from global warming?
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 6:55:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 6:57:10 PM EDT by Greenhorn]

Originally Posted By madmedic:
Well...If you hang a tennis ball next to a 100 watt lightbulb, wont the heat of the lightbulb slowly make the tennis ball warmer, and warmer over time?
Seems to me it is only natural for the earth to slowly get warmer.



After it reaches equilibrium (when the heat lost from the ball by convection and radiation equals the heat gained by the radiation from the bulb), the temperature will stablize.

If you up the power of the bulb a bit, the temperature of equilibrium will be a bit higher.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 8:45:46 PM EDT
This is my gut reaction as well.


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Global warming is an excuse for communist and socialist to shut down capitalism and private industry. They won't be happy until we are all living in squaller like the late 1880's.

Man made global warming is complete bull shit.

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:00:22 PM EDT
Climate is a complicated subject, most everybody on either side tries to simplify the issue to the point that their statements are ludicrous.

A basic logic 101 course would help too, since so many people seem to habitually make logical errors in statements.

Climate change is fact, climate has changed, and there are cycles in that change.

That doesn't mean we're incapable of contributing to or causing change, it means change is normal.

Human activity ABSOLUTELY, without doubt, has global impact on the environment, there's no particular reason to believe we cannot impact the climate as well.

Individually we're specks, but there are 6billion+ of us and collectively we can and do alter our environment.

Change is inevitable, but it's rapid change that kills people. As population grows so does our ability to influence the climate, and the rate of change to which we can adapt slows as we tax our resource base heavier.

In many ways the warnings from 20 years ago were correct, we are running short on water in many places around the world, ocean fish are seriously depleted, soils are significantly degraded wherever agriculture is practiced, etc.

The change in greenhouse gas levels is pretty small really, but it still amounts to levels humanity has never seen before, highest levels in hundreds of thousands of years.

Even if you're right, and humanity doesn't degrade the systems on which we depend to the point where we suffer a significant population reduction, we certainly will suffer a reduction in the quality of our life, as resources become scarce liberty is restricted, the higher the population the less freedom the individual has.

I don't really think it matters much whether people believe in GW, resource depletion or whatever, human nature being what it is we'll continue to exceed maximum sustainable resource utilization and crash, just like all the top predators have from time to time, regardless.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:03:50 PM EDT
According to the eco-idiots in the 70s and 80s, we're all dead right now.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:05:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Flushdraw:
25 years ago these same "scientists" said we had 20 years until SHTF.



BTW, there's more and more evidence that Earth is experiencing global cooling not warming.




Bingo. Winner! Winner!
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:12:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
This is my gut reaction as well.


Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Global warming is an excuse for communist and socialist to shut down capitalism and private industry. They won't be happy until we are all living in squaller like the late 1880's.

Man made global warming is complete bull shit.





+1...



- georgestrings
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:20:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/19/2006 10:26:02 PM EDT by Planerench]

Originally Posted By blacklisted:
Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
I've a cousin who's theory is its simply a cycle. The bad storms and warm weather comes every 30-100 years or so. But last time it happend there wasnt the technology to really notice and keep track like we are now.

I think he has a good idea and hope its true, he thinks warm weather and bad storms will last 5-10 years.



I think he studied into it a bit and such so he just might be right, scientists think the same way, although some are stuck on the greenhouse gasses stuff.


We have ice cores that go back 10s of thousands of years, this allows us to measure things such as atmospheric content and annual snowfall.



The cores are not as old as they once thought. As it turns out, the "annual rings" are not such but just warm and cold periods which cannot be predicted as to length. They could be days, months or decades.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:32:36 PM EDT
Do I think that we CAUSE global warming? nope. Do I agree that we need to cut greenhose gasses? yup. A lot of respatory(sp?) problems are cause by all the crap in the air in large citys. Ever seen the air in a large city in china? that alone is a good reason to cut greenhouse gasses.
Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:43:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By K2QB3:
Climate is a complicated subject, most everybody on either side tries to simplify the issue to the point that their statements are ludicrous.

A basic logic 101 course would help too, since so many people seem to habitually make logical errors in statements.

Climate change is fact, climate has changed, and there are cycles in that change.

That doesn't mean we're incapable of contributing to or causing change, it means change is normal.

Human activity ABSOLUTELY, without doubt, has global impact on the environment, there's no particular reason to believe we cannot impact the climate as well.

Individually we're specks, but there are 6billion+ of us and collectively we can and do alter our environment.

Change is inevitable, but it's rapid change that kills people. As population grows so does our ability to influence the climate, and the rate of change to which we can adapt slows as we tax our resource base heavier.

In many ways the warnings from 20 years ago were correct, we are running short on water in many places around the world, ocean fish are seriously depleted, soils are significantly degraded wherever agriculture is practiced, etc.

The change in greenhouse gas levels is pretty small really, but it still amounts to levels humanity has never seen before, highest levels in hundreds of thousands of years.

Even if you're right, and humanity doesn't degrade the systems on which we depend to the point where we suffer a significant population reduction, we certainly will suffer a reduction in the quality of our life, as resources become scarce liberty is restricted, the higher the population the less freedom the individual has.

I don't really think it matters much whether people believe in GW, resource depletion or whatever, human nature being what it is we'll continue to exceed maximum sustainable resource utilization and crash, just like all the top predators have from time to time, regardless.



That's what I've been saying here all along. No need to worry, things will get bad and the population will be reduced to sustainable levels.

Link Posted: 3/19/2006 10:52:19 PM EDT
Ignore it and it will go away...
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 12:59:30 AM EDT
I was gonna yell a lot and have a lot of that rolleyes icon but ive kinda took a deep breath and realised i better say something constructive. All you people who seem to want to expound your opinion on Global warming should really do some reasearch first, i mean really, this is pathetic. Some of the lamest crap i've ever heard in a long time. When some fool talks about "creationism" i dont really care cause what he belives really does'nt hurt anyone. But when people say that man is not causing greenhouse gas emmissions to warm the planet, that, in the end, could do harm to everyone as we end up living on Venus. Start with college level text books on Geology, Chemistry, Oceanography, Climatology etc. No dont use the internet. It's too "unreliable", just cause some dumb ass blogger says that the greenhouse effect is "a liberal conspiracy" does'nt make it so! Just because "someguy" who's a fiction writer wrote a great book about how the green house effect is bullshit does'nt mean he is qualified to make that assesment. He's a fucking novel writer not a scientist. When 95% of scientists agree on something you better belive there is something to that. As to if weather "living things" like humans can change the earth's atmosphere, it's already been done. Originally the earths atmosphere was all CO2 with little O2. The original primiative creatures were all Anaerobic, meaning they breathe in CO2 and convert that to O2. but with no oxygen breathers to eat up the O2 it built up in the atmosphere to create the oxygen rich atmosphere we have today. so little critters the size of ameobae managed to generate trillions of tons of O2 and change the entire atmosphere. Oh also - volcanoes and "meteor strikes" do NOT warm up the planet they cool it down.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:27:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 1:29:34 AM EDT by blacklisted]

Originally Posted By t-stox:
I was gonna yell a lot and have a lot of that rolleyes icon but ive kinda took a deep breath and realised i better say something constructive. All you people who seem to want to expound your opinion on Global warming should really do some reasearch first, i mean really, this is pathetic. Some of the lamest crap i've ever heard in a long time. When some fool talks about "creationism" i dont really care cause what he belives really does'nt hurt anyone. But when people say that man is not causing greenhouse gas emmissions to warm the planet, that, in the end, could do harm to everyone as we end up living on Venus. Start with college level text books on Geology, Chemistry, Oceanography, Climatology etc. Done all of the above No dont use the internet. It's too "unreliable", just cause some dumb ass blogger says that the greenhouse effect is "a liberal conspiracy" does'nt make it so! Just because "someguy" who's a fiction writer wrote a great book about how the green house effect is bullshit does'nt mean he is qualified to make that assesment. He's a fucking novel writer not a scientist. When 95% of scientists agree on something you better belive there is something to that. As to if weather "living things" like humans can change the earth's atmosphere, it's already been done. Originally the earths atmosphere was all CO2 with little O2. The original primiative creatures were all Anaerobic, meaning they breathe in CO2 and convert that to O2. but with no oxygen breathers to eat up the O2 it built up in the atmosphere to create the oxygen rich atmosphere we have today. so little critters the size of ameobae managed to generate trillions of tons of O2 and change the entire atmosphere. Oh also - volcanoes and "meteor strikes" do NOT warm up the planet they cool it down. Who said that they warmed the Earth up?



The truth is that people just don't want to believe what they don't like. Religious people (most, from my experience) especially want to believe that the world is unchanging and will stay that way. No amount of scientific evidence will change their mind. Since most people are like this, there will be no preventing "global warming". We can't change our ways.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:43:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/20/2006 1:45:09 AM EDT by SouthHoof]

Originally Posted By RustedAce:

What they meant was we had 10 years to give them tons of grant money.



RustedAce nailed the correct answer. Follow the money.


My thoughts, let's see.....

Ice cap melts & floods New York, Boston, LA & Cuba displacing hundreds of thousands of Commies. What's not to like?

3-5 degrees in annual temperature increases lengthen the growing season. Peaches will be grown in Virginia, Oranges in Georgia. It'll lengthen my shooting season too.

For my own research I just checked the thermometer. The sunrise temp is 19.5 degrees here near Saginaw Bay USA. That's about 8 degrees BELOW average. Additionally the portion of the GLOBE in my back yard is still frozen down to 18 inches. That also is deeper than average for this time of year.

Global Warming is a myth. Now be good little SHEEPLE and go outside and play.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 1:54:11 AM EDT
Global warming predictions are a bunch of politically driven nonsense with the goal to extort money from the U.S. industry.

Remember Al Gore supporting the Kyoto Global Warming Protocol and their proposed “pollution credits” that the industrial nations were to pay to the emerging nations? If we stayed with the Kyoto protocol, the U.S. would have to reduce energy consumption by 30 percent in 2010 or be forced to pay billions to the U.N. through pollution credits.

Total human contribution to global warming is 0.11 percent. This accounts for all human activity including industry, agriculture and transportation. Human activity does impact global warming but pales in comparison the carbon dioxide emissions naturally given off by the oceans which account for 75 percent of global warming.

This world is in a cyclic pattern, it was warmer globally during the middle ages than it is now.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:05:19 AM EDT
Fuck all this global warming shit.

I just want to try some BBQ flavored Soylent Green.

Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:48:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
Global warming is an excuse for communist and socialist to shut down capitalism and private industry. They won't be happy until we are all living in squaller like the late 1880's.

Man made global warming is complete bull shit.



+1.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 2:52:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Zippy_The_Wonderdog:
They guy on 60 min. tonight was portrayed as having very good credentials, and it was his opinion that we have 10 years to seriously curb our greenhouse gas emissions or the shit is really gonna start hitting the fan.




I remember back in 1991 seeing Ted Dansen (that esteemed and reknowned scientist) going on and on in an infomercial about how in 10 years we were not going to have any oceans left, that everything in them would be dead, and how the planet would never recover.

Here we are FIFTEEN years later, and the oceans are going strong.

Forgive me if I don't run around screaming that the sky is falling, because it isn't.
Link Posted: 3/20/2006 8:33:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
I broke the dam.


It's global warming!! Outside, right now! It's headed right for us!
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