Anybody have experience with Moog parts?

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Anybody have experience with Moog parts?

VTJosh Joined Feb 2009 Posts 536 EE Offline VT, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:10:15 PM EST I'm looking to replace a bunch of tired old parts in my Silverado and keep reading about Moog. I've never used any of there parts but it seems that there quite popular. I'm wanting to hear some first hand experience to see if there worth the extra cost.

Bob243 Mean and Disagreeable Joined Jun 2001 Posts 10522 EE Offline PA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:10:50 PM EST A bunch of times, I never had any problems with them

mongreltude Joined Mar 2010 Posts 731 EE Offline FL, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:17:23 PM EST GTG.

TdK71 Ya gotta be jackin me ! Joined Aug 2005 Posts 1267 EE Offline MI, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:18:46 PM EST Yup top quality with lifetime replacement on some parts.
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Quintin Goes snicker-snack, it leaves them dead. Joined Sep 2004 Posts 20876 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:23:11 PM EST If you want your front end parts to fit properly and last a long time, you want them to come in yellow and blue boxes that say MOOG on them.
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DamascusKnifemaker Don't drink the Koolaid!!!!! Joined Aug 2005 Posts 5460 EE Offline NV, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:25:36 PM EST They worked well when I rebuilt the front end of my 74 Javelin.
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insptech Member Joined Jan 2011 Posts 19 EE Offline MD, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:25:50 PM EST Originally Posted By Quintin: If you want your front end parts to fit properly and last a long time, you want them to come in yellow and blue boxes that say MOOG on them. THIS

ImpulseTaco Joined Jan 2007 Posts 75 EE Offline TX, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:27:33 PM EST Moog is better than AC Delco...why??

Hillbilly69 Team Member Joined Apr 2006 Posts 2652 EE Offline KY, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:28:35 PM EST Originally Posted By insptech: Originally Posted By Quintin: If you want your front end parts to fit properly and last a long time, you want them to come in yellow and blue boxes that say MOOG on them. THIS Yep. They are (or were) the good stuff.
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USMCBuckWild Member Joined Jan 2009 Posts 545 EE Offline NC, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:29:58 PM EST Originally Posted By Quintin: If you want your front end parts to fit properly and last a long time, you want them to come in yellow and blue boxes that say MOOG on them. This

Notched Member Joined Oct 2009 Posts 2030 EE Offline MN, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:32:45 PM EST if you use MOOG parts your truck should be able to make all kinds of cool sounds

AeroE Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts 35686 EE Offline MO, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:36:42 PM EST My wife worked for Moog for about 5 years. Her vehicles were used by the lab for long term real world mixed traffic testing. We got free brakes and other parts, they got data.
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VTJosh Joined Feb 2009 Posts 537 EE Offline VT, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:49:03 PM EST Good to know. Looks like Summitracing has Moogs pitman arm for just a few bucks more than Autozones Duralast one

insptech

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Posted: 10/2/2011 5:54:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By ImpulseTaco:
Moog is better than AC Delco...why??

AC Delco makes parts to OE specs. Moog tends to improve upon the design and "seem" to last longer. AC Delco warrants the parts for 3 to 12 months, Moog warrants many for life. Also in many cases the OE parts do not have grease fittings whereas almost all Moog replacement parts do. As long as the vehicle is PROPERLY lubed a greasable part will last almost forever.

insptech Member Joined Jan 2011 Posts 21 EE Offline MD, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 5:55:57 PM EST Originally Posted By Notched: if you use MOOG parts your truck should be able to make all kinds of cool sounds I see what you did there.....

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Posted: 10/2/2011 5:59:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By ImpulseTaco:
Moog is better than AC Delco...why??

I can't speak for anyone else, but Ford and GM have a couple of different parts lines, similar to most chain parts stores honestly.

When talking front end parts, the "lower end," AC Delco and Motorcraft, they're typically made in the same Chinese shithole as mass produced chain store house brand parts. If I remember right, for example, when I was at the dealer the Motorcraft branded part was not really approved for use in performing warranty repairs. That oughta tell you something. AC Delco and Motorcraft branded suspension and brake parts were designed to compete with the chain store parts, offering a decent part at a similar price that came in nice packaging that lead you to believe you were buying factory parts, which you were, kinda, but you weren't.

Motorcraft brake pads for example have base part numbers like 2V200 or 2V001 (I think). The "V" stands for "value," and these brake pads come in pretty red, gray and white boxes that look suspiciously like the boxes chain store brake pads come in, and they usually don't have the backing shims and clips and whatnot with them. Real deal OEM Ford brake pads come in plain jane brown cardboard boxes, usually with all the shims and anti rattle hardware, and they omit the "V" in the base part number. Circa early 2000s, I remember the Motorcraft pads listed at like $38.95 a set, while the same Ford brake pads started at about $80 a set. There's a reason for that.

Now, don't get me wrong, AC Delco and Motorcraft branded parts are good shit for certain applications. Electrical stuff, good to go, just not the greatest for front end and brakes, IMO.

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ApacheScout A one man wolfpack Joined May 2006 Posts 7999 EE Offline CA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:01:46 PM EST Moog was the go to front end parts when I worked in a gas station 35 years ago. I just put some of their stuff on the front end of Ford pu. Fit like a champ and didn't have that cheap crap look about it.

Kuraki Pavlov's deaf dog Joined May 2007 Posts 15291 EE Offline WI, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:08:14 PM EST Greaseable Moog ball joints make the Ford Superduty's biggest failing a thing of the past.
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2tom2 Joined May 2006 Posts 2302 EE Offline GA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:09:25 PM EST MOOG is good stuff you will not be disappointed

gwitness Live...from the Temples of Syrinx. Joined Jul 2005 Posts 18284 EE Offline WA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:09:26 PM EST Originally Posted By Quintin: If you want your front end parts to fit properly and last a long time, you want them to come in yellow and blue boxes that say MOOG on them.
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pale_pony The only John Wayne left in this town. Joined Oct 2002 Posts 16511 EE Offline OK, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:14:44 PM EST They are generally considered the most expensive "Top Shelf" front end replacement parts. Well worth the few extra bucks IMHO. I don't like having to redo front end work. Do it once and do it right. Follow the install with a good alignment and be done with it.
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olekennyroy Member Joined Dec 2009 Posts 638 EE Offline LA, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:50:33 PM EST I can't speak for what is being produced presently, but 5 years ago Moog was about the best you could get. Most of the parts were engineered to be an improvement over the factory part.

jeep450 sniper cat it watching you Joined May 2006 Posts 5735 EE Offline MS, USA	Posted: 10/2/2011 6:50:43 PM EST Moog fixes alot of OE problems. They are GTG. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile

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Posted: 10/2/2011 7:42:54 PM EST

[Last Edit: 10/2/2011 7:44:01 PM EST by ImpulseTaco]

Originally Posted By Quintin:

Originally Posted By ImpulseTaco:
Moog is better than AC Delco...why??

I can't speak for anyone else, but Ford and GM have a couple of different parts lines, similar to most chain parts stores honestly.

When talking front end parts, the "lower end," AC Delco and Motorcraft, they're typically made in the same Chinese shithole as mass produced chain store house brand parts. If I remember right, for example, when I was at the dealer the Motorcraft branded part was not really approved for use in performing warranty repairs. That oughta tell you something. AC Delco and Motorcraft branded suspension and brake parts were designed to compete with the chain store parts, offering a decent part at a similar price that came in nice packaging that lead you to believe you were buying factory parts, which you were, kinda, but you weren't.

Motorcraft brake pads for example have base part numbers like 2V200 or 2V001 (I think). The "V" stands for "value," and these brake pads come in pretty red, gray and white boxes that look suspiciously like the boxes chain store brake pads come in, and they usually don't have the backing shims and clips and whatnot with them. Real deal OEM Ford brake pads come in plain jane brown cardboard boxes, usually with all the shims and anti rattle hardware, and they omit the "V" in the base part number. Circa early 2000s, I remember the Motorcraft pads listed at like $38.95 a set, while the same Ford brake pads started at about $80 a set. There's a reason for that.

Now, don't get me wrong, AC Delco and Motorcraft branded parts are good shit for certain applications. Electrical stuff, good to go, just not the greatest for front end and brakes, IMO.

I used to work for a major automotive aftermarket parts chain. We sold ACDelco and Motorcraft branded parts (although not specifically brake pads that I remember, except for the emergency brake shoe/ring things on the GMT-800 trucks) in addition to various store brands and I always had much less in the way of customer complaints/problems with the ACD/Motorcraft parts whenever I could talk the customers into using them. This was especially true with bigger ticket items like compressors, starters, alternators, batteries, etc. I was taught a lesson pretty early on, that the guys who design cars are pretty smart, and you're better off not messing with their design unless you are smarter than they are (including aftermarket parts with inferior components, altered design, or chinese garbage).

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