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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:42:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:42:34 AM EDT
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Convicted?
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:43:17 AM EDT
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just askin for an easy first bust eh comrade ATF?
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:45:13 AM EDT
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no, got a friend with a problem, just tring to figure out how to help him cope with it. no trolling intended. apparrently it is a 5 year miniumum if he gets a conviction and then caught with a firearm. Sounds like he will now be known as a bowhunter, but I figured you guys would help with some perspective.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:46:52 AM EDT
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Depends on your definition of felon.
I once felon a bicycle and it hurt.  |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:49:15 AM EDT
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I'm not, but one made my day very depressing.
Had a new hire come in to do paperwork. He fills out his I-9, W-4 and all other paperwork to go along with employment, and all the while, I was bsing with him, he was telling me about his days in the Corps in Vietnam and showed me a tattoo on his right forearm, he was a pretty cool guy. After I told him he could go work, I went through his supervisor's office to find his application for making his file. Well, a nice little X had been marked in the yes box under the "Have you ever been convicted of a felony?" question. I had to let him go and explain company policy, I never thought I would ever have to throw a veteran back to the street.  This all happened 15 minutes ago. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:49:36 AM EDT
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I realize I probably didn't ask it right, but it was a honest question, no intent to cause any trouble.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:49:43 AM EDT
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Double check the local laws, but if he is a hunter, inline black powder rifles may be an option. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:53:21 AM EDT
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Yes, felons hang around here and post about having firearms.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:53:49 AM EDT
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you would be surprised how easy it is to lose your firearms rights. a felony (what I am hearing) is anything punishable by over a year in jail. You can't own any firearms, antique, blackpowder, or otherwise. he is a big time gun guy, (like me and all our friends) and is having trouble coping with getting rid of all his guns. Some jokes on teh board i've heard involve a tragic boating accident, but seriously if he is caught it is a minimum of 5 years in federal prison, up to 15...just not worth it .
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:55:12 AM EDT
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What's he got, I'm always looking for a good deal
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:55:48 AM EDT
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You win the stupid fuckin question of the day award.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:57:10 AM EDT
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sigh. I hear you. this site has a few lawyers too and I was just hoping to get some perspective. He didn't know where else to go, and I know nothing about this. I was just shocked at how easy it is to find yourself outlawed from gun ownership. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 7:58:36 AM EDT
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Back off. FordGuy clarified why he asked the question. He's just trying to help a friend. No sense in beating him to death over a poor choice of words in his thread title. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:00:59 AM EDT
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since no one else asked, i will.
what did he do? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:03:35 AM EDT
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maybe so, but I thought surely this topic had come up before and maybe someone could steer us in the right direction. I think most folks would be shocked to learn how easy it is to go from being a well known gun nut to someone who can't even have one in the house. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:04:41 AM EDT
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For the record I had nothing to do with this.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:04:42 AM EDT
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he says he's about to be indicted (I don't understand what for) and trying to figure out whether to fight it or plea. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:05:37 AM EDT
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How easy? What'd he do to lose his gun rights? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:07:37 AM EDT
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I guess my question is really how to help this guy cope with a drastic change in his life. sure I could "hold" his guns for him, but in reality that might have it's own legal problems and I don't want any trouble for myself. I'd sayhe will hav to sell them all, but he asked me for guidanc e and I figured this was one place I could possibly get some information. sounds like I need to tell him to see his preacher, since there is no help for him.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:08:03 AM EDT
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domestic?
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:08:04 AM EDT
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I don't get it. If he hasn't been convicted, he hasn't lost his rights yet. What does his lawyer say. Something about this sounds funny. Need more info... |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:10:34 AM EDT
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What is considered a felony these days is so broad, it borders on the ridiculous.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:10:38 AM EDT
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Yes… why?
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:11:52 AM EDT
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he can't tell me exactly what his lawyer said, but from him it sounds like a felony conviction is on the way. just trying to help the guy deal with the consequences. it's some scary stuff, and nothing funny about it at all if you ask me. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:12:10 AM EDT
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We're posting about the same time... Be a good friend just by being there. Don't make matters worse by doing stupid things together (like taking him shooting). He needs to get a real legal opinion about what to do with the guns. I'd disagree with you about "how easy" it is to acquire a felony conviction. Somehow most people manage to avoid that. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:14:57 AM EDT
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tag the mysterious thread
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:20:47 AM EDT
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Tag for the garage sale.
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:23:14 AM EDT
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that's why I asked what he did. if it was some ridiculous firearms charge he may gain the sympathy of a fellow arfcommer who could help him out. if it was something like child molestation I doubt any would offer advice. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:32:36 AM EDT
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Just tackle him while he's sleeping and give him the royal rugged rogering to tears.....
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:35:39 AM EDT
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Do you mean to tell me that they actually ENFORCE firearms laws in SC?
Heck, here in Oklahoma it doesn't seem to make any difference at all. I have been told by a certain DA in a northeastern OK district court that they could not mention in court any prior felonies that had happened over 10 years ago if the felon had had no other convictions since. (This is, of course, complete and utter BS on the part of the DA in question...) ANYWAY, I'd contact your local DA's office and ask them, then stick with it. IMHO |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 8:43:45 AM EDT
[#32]
Yeah, try to get the lawyer to plea him to a misdemenor |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:37:37 AM EDT
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+1 Tell him to do whatever it takes legally. Maybe a different lawyer?? It's not the lawyer going to jail. Tell him to fight it with every penny he has. I know I would. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:47:20 AM EDT
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felons can petition the court to get their firearms rights back after they have served their sentence. There is no guarantee the court will grant their request, but with the right lawyer, judge, and if the felon has kept his nose clean in the few years since he got out of prison, demonstrating that he can be a contributing, law abiding citizen...then there is a possibility.
I think there are a couple people on this site that have gone through the above and have had their rights reinstated. maybe he could sell them to his brother or you for a couple bucks and you can sell them back to him if he is successful in a few (??) years. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:53:24 AM EDT
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Nope....... nothing at all. That's pretty much WHY you don't DO crimes. If you do....... Well, tough shit, I say. Reap what you sow. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:54:54 AM EDT
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From what I understand, during the debate whether a person convicted of a violent misdemeanor should loose his gun rights, it was brought out that 2/3 of all laws are considered felonies. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 9:55:28 AM EDT
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Why "can't" he tell you what his lawyer said? Do you not know what he is accused (or about to be indicted) for, or do you just not want to say? (I KNOW it's not really relevant to your question, but I'm just curious) |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:06:47 AM EDT
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No it really is relevant. If it was a violent felony, or a felony where a gun was involved he can never get his ownership rights back. If it is another kind of felony, he can petition the court to get them back later. So knowing what he did is important information |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:12:41 AM EDT
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Hell, I saw G. Gordon Liddy on some talk show(Carson, Merv Griffin ??) years ago.. He stated : "Yes, as a felon I can't own any firearms, but my wife does. She keeps some of 'em in the nightstand on my side of the bed...." (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) Is G. Gordon still amoungst the living...?? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:14:29 AM EDT
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That is discrimination pure and simple. Sgatr15 |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:15:22 AM EDT
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I'm no lawyer (thought I play one on Mexican TV), but isn't an indictment not exactly the same as a conviction?
ETA: I second (or maybe third or fourth) the idea f him 'selling' his guns to someone like family or friends to hold onto if it's a nonviolent felony. If he can get his gun rights reinstated then he can get the guns back without much trouble, and if not the holder can sell them for him. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:16:09 AM EDT
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Yep, alive and well. G Gordon Liddy Website |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:17:44 AM EDT
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I was on a plane with him and his wife a few years ago. I didn't know who he was at the time, but he was taking pictures with the stewardesses, so I had to ask. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:32:15 AM EDT
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G. Gordan has his own talk radio show on one of the stations outa Nashville, very entertaining 
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:43:11 AM EDT
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I believe you are mistaken. He could petition the court for relief from civil disabilities, but I do not believe that would prevent him from being charged federally with illegally possessing a firearm as a felon. There used to be a process you could go through with the ATF where you could file some kind of petition asking for a review to see if they would allow a felon to possess firearms (or something like that) but the funding for that was removed during some budget cutback (I think during the Klinton administration) as far as I know the applications get thrown in the thrash or stored in boxes in that warehouse with the Ark of the Convenant. I think |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:45:43 AM EDT
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Indictment just means that the grand jury reviewed the one sided case the DA presented and agreed to let the case go forward. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:46:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2005 10:57:35 AM EDT
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If you are convicted in State court and your right to possess firearms are restored at the State level your RKBA are restored at the Federal level. If you are convicted of a disqualifying felony in Federal court your only recourse is a presidential pardon. ETA: If you were convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence you may still be prohibited from possessing firearms under Federal law even if your rights are restored at the State level. |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 11:04:11 AM EDT
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You are kidding right? |
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Posted: 8/14/2005 11:04:20 AM EDT
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United States Code TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE PART I - CRIMES CHAPTER 44 - FIREARMS Section 922. Unlawful acts (d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person - (1) is under indictment for, or has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year; |
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