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Posted: 5/27/2003 7:10:50 PM EDT
2 Grocery Workers Charged In Robber Shooting May 27, 2003 6:55 am US/Eastern (1010 WINS) NEW YORK Two workers at a grocery store in Harlem have been given weapons charges in the shooting death of a 19-year-old man who attempted to rob them on Sunday night, police said. Jose Acosta, 69, and Victor Alejandro, 23, were both charged with second degree criminal possession of a weapon, after a botched robbery attempt resulted in the death of Luquarn Washington, 19. Police said Washington and an accomplice entered the store on Eighth Avenue and 130th Street at 9:39 p.m. Sunday and attempted to rob it at gunpoint. But Acosta and Alejandro were both working at the store at the time. Acosta produced a weapon and fired it, striking Washington who was pronounced dead at Harlem Hospital. The other robber fled the store. A .22 caliber revolver was recovered at the scene, said Det. Carolyn Chew, a police spokeswoman. Published reports in Tuesday editions of The New York Times, Newsday, The Daily News and The New York Post said that Washington has been absent without leave from the U.S. Army for several months. An investigation into the robbery is continuing, police said.
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Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:13:53 PM EDT
Fucking [bs].........
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:18:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 7:20:24 PM EDT by Merril_B]
Each time i've gone to NYC, i've packed. Each time I pack in a place where the law says I'm not supposed to, I understand that I am taking a chance. But I would rather suffer a "weapons charge" than suffer through a stab or gunshot wound. It's a all a personal choice. Senior Acosta and Alejandro made that same choice.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:22:39 PM EDT
It's so nice to live in a city that gives you the freedom to go to jail for defending yourself.....
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:23:43 PM EDT
I posted it yesterday. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=188316&w=myTopicPop[/url]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:27:40 PM EDT
At least it didn't hold more than 17 rounds [rolleyes]. Man I WOULD NOT live in a gun free area such as that. Saw your post SkeetandTrap. That woman's an idiot. CRC
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:36:28 PM EDT
House-by-house, slowly but surely, one gunowner at a time...
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:38:35 PM EDT
I would have shot them both, wiped down the weapon, dropped it on the floor, and continued to say "what gun"...."I don't own a gun"...."I've never touched that gun"......
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 7:51:36 PM EDT
How much jail time did the guy who defended himself on the subway get? Bernard Goetz?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 8:06:40 PM EDT
the City of NY is here to protect you! [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:11:15 PM EDT
Originally Posted By cnatra: the City of NY is here to protect you! [rolleyes]
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Yes, I know you're being sarcastic, but I [url=http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003_05_18_smallestminority_archive.html#94721269]wrote this[/url] a few days ago, and it has bearing on this. How the hell does NYC get away with denying people the right to protect themselves when they have no legal duty to do it themselves? Because they have a [i]permit process??[/i] Like these two guys had the time and money required to go through it?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:43:45 PM EDT
Too bad he didn't live long enough to rat out his accomplice. Why was the younger guy, Victor Alejandro, charged?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:46:28 PM EDT
Luquarn Washington, 19. was obviosly a hard working member of the underprivilaged minority caste. He was gunned down in cold blood by the rich capitalistic shop owners. Sounds like a job for the good Rev. Al Sharpton!
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 9:58:28 PM EDT
I left NYC in 1995 [bounce] and NEVER looked back!!!!!!!!!
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:04:44 PM EDT
Gotta applaud the two guys for sticking up themselves. I wonder what they told the cops. "Damn right, this is my gun and this is the SOB who tried to rob me." Civil disobediance at it finest. I've talked to enough old timers to know he is NOT in a minority.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:06:00 PM EDT
Did Washington go AWOL because he was afraid of being shot?
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:42:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Merril_B: Each time i've gone to NYC, i've packed. Each time I pack in a place where the law says I'm not supposed to, I understand that I am taking a chance. But I would rather suffer a "weapons charge" than suffer through a stab or gunshot wound. It's a all a personal choice. Senior Acosta and Alejandro made that same choice.
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It is your choice, but if you are caught you are looking at 3-8 years in jail and a standing policy in the DA's office of no plea bargains unless you agree to a minimum 1 year jail sentence.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:43:20 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Juntau: How much jail time did the guy who defended himself on the subway get? Bernard Goetz?
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Bernie served a year on Criminal Weapons Possession 3rd.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:46:09 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KBaker:
Originally Posted By cnatra: the City of NY is here to protect you! [rolleyes]
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Yes, I know you're being sarcastic, but I [url=http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003_05_18_smallestminority_archive.html#94721269]wrote this[/url] a few days ago, and it has bearing on this.
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nice job!
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 10:52:06 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen: It is your choice, but if you are caught you are looking at 3-8 years in jail and a standing policy in the DA's office of no plea bargains unless you agree to a minimum 1 year jail sentence.
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Yup. And there might come a time when I am facing 20 years for owning an , and hopefully, I will disregard that stupid law just as I disregard the stupid laws in NYC.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 11:40:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By KBaker: I [url=http://smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003_05_18_smallestminority_archive.html#94721269]wrote this[/url] a few days ago, and it has bearing on this.
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Well done. You're a busy boy!
Originally Posted By KBaker: How the hell does NYC get away with denying people the right to protect themselves when they have no legal duty to do it themselves?
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Well because you see, once [b]ALL[/b] the dogs in the kennel are de-fanged, then there's no need to worry about protecting any [u]particular[/u] dog because none of them will be able to harm another! And in this story, three dogs have just been de-fanged (though one had to be euthanized). So now New York is a just little bit safer with three more "threats" eliminated. See? [:)] Oh sure, it's a slow process, but they'll get there... eventually. The wheels of justice grind slowly - slowly but surely.
Link Posted: 5/27/2003 11:41:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/27/2003 11:43:53 PM EDT by Phil_A_Steen]
Originally Posted By Merril_B:
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen: It is your choice, but if you are caught you are looking at 3-8 years in jail and a standing policy in the DA's office of no plea bargains unless you agree to a minimum 1 year jail sentence.
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Yup. And there might come a time when I am facing 20 years for owning an , and hopefully, I will disregard that stupid law just as I disregard the stupid laws in NYC.
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I respect your right to choose that path. In my case, having been to the Tombs, Rikers, Attica, Auburn and Sing Sing (never as an inmate) I would rather risk getting mugged or worse while unarmed rather than risk a year or more in any of those places. They are not fun places and your chance of getting killed or infected with HIV in prison are a lot higher than dying from street crime.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 12:51:09 AM EDT
And if I could get bodyguards paid for by the taxpayers like Chuckie and Hillary do, I probably wouldn't pack either... Maybe Ok..I still would We'll see if Chuckie still has bodyguards after he gets booted out of office...10 to 1 he'll be packing!
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:00:15 AM EDT
NY the home of the rotten apple.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:26:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Originally Posted By Merril_B:
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen: It is your choice, but if you are caught you are looking at 3-8 years in jail and a standing policy in the DA's office of no plea bargains unless you agree to a minimum 1 year jail sentence.
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Yup. And there might come a time when I am facing 20 years for owning an , and hopefully, I will disregard that stupid law just as I disregard the stupid laws in NYC.
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I respect your right to choose that path. In my case, having been to the Tombs, Rikers, Attica, Auburn and Sing Sing (never as an inmate) I would rather risk getting mugged or worse while unarmed rather than risk a year or more in any of those places. They are not fun places and your chance of getting killed or infected with HIV in prison are a lot higher than dying from street crime.
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Well Phil...you could always "GET THE HELL OUT" I went to NYC once to serve Governor's extradition warrant on a guy that was serving life on Rikers...he was going to be sent to FL and could possibly face lethal injection...He told me...and this is the honest truth....He would rather die by lethal injection than spend one year at Rikers.... I love New York.....from here!!! [snoopy] [sniper]
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 1:35:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Ar15sniper01: Well Phil...you could always "GET THE HELL OUT"
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I would if I could, believe me. Unfortunately in my line of work I am restricted to New York or Los Angeles. You choose which one you would take.
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 2:19:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/28/2003 2:20:32 AM EDT by nwatson99]
That is [bs], they were only defending themselves, fucking New York is becoming little Kalifornia. [bs2]
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 2:38:39 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Phil_A_Steen:
Originally Posted By Merril_B: Each time i've gone to NYC, i've packed. Each time I pack in a place where the law says I'm not supposed to, I understand that I am taking a chance. But I would rather suffer a "weapons charge" than suffer through a stab or gunshot wound. It's a all a personal choice. Senior Acosta and Alejandro made that same choice.
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It is your choice, but if you are caught you are looking at 3-8 years in jail and a standing policy in the DA's office of no plea bargains unless you agree to a minimum 1 year jail sentence.
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"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
Link Posted: 5/28/2003 6:05:05 AM EDT
Wait a second. They shoot and kill a robber, and the best charge that is offered is unlawful possesion of a gun. Think about that for just a second. If there was a reason to charge for the actual shooting they would. They didn't. I know many of you won't like that. But then again they all had free will, and chose to be in NYC, where guns=bad.
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