I'm tired of listening to Connie *Puke* Chung talking about this black THUG teenager. She makes it out to be that the cop was very brutal man, but wouldn't we all be ticked if some black kid just ripped a whole in the side of our face?  This whole mess is all because some dumb white boy video taped this incident.  What does this dumb white guy do all day besides run around all day recording arrests?  Some life egh?  I would be willing to bet the Cop was a prick, but this whole thing has been BLOWN WAY OUT OF PROPORTION.  If this was a white kid not a darn thing would have been said, but the likes of Jessie Jackson puts his alter ego into the image.  What a total piece of trash.  BTW, the officer should find a new job that dosen't have so much stress attached to it.  

that shitbird thug kid is why we need to support abortion up to the 35th trimester.
a real credit to his race.

Which is it? A reasonable reaction to being assaulted or is he a prick? If he's a prick, what do you base your opinion on the fact that he's a cop? If it's a reasonable reaction to being assaulted is it still reasonable if he's a cop?

I have at least a 3000 word post inside me that I can't let out...

Give us the Readers Digest version. Before a more interesting thread comes along. Besides I've got Italian sausage and caramelized onions on the stove and some beer on ice.

This is why I took a job at the attorney general's office in their law enforcement bureau.  I defend corrections officers and PO's from the shitbags that they arrest.  

They're scum of the earth, I enjoy winning the cases where I know the cops gave a warranted beating.  It joys me to no end!


Be a lawyer, you'll be able to represent the men with the men who can stomache dealing with these shitbags.

Steady lad.
You can do it...

Sukebe, I would base my opinion on a bit of both.  The VAST majority of cops that I know are pricks, but I've meet and dealt with some good ones on this board.  The officer that hit the kid was written up a few times before for excessive force.  It looks lke he would have known better than to do this even if he had the RIGHT too protect himself.  Did you see the 5 other cops around him hitting the kid?  

A couple of points:


Upon what do you base that characterization? Does he have a criminal record? The only thing I know about him is that he's "developmentally disabled." In other words, mildly retarded.


It was a scratch, not a hole. Slight difference.


Really? I thought it was because a bunch of police knocked around a black kid in handcuffs. If a few cops in Philadelphia had carried through on their threat to kick my ass for being in the wrong neighborhood, I would have prayed for a concerned citizen --or just a guy looking for a quick ten grand from the media-- with a videocamera.


I don't know anything about what kind of guy Officer Morse is, but I'll bet you'd be willing to sock in the face anyone who grabbed your family jewels. Why Morse felt he had to slam Jackson's face on the trunk of the car is anyone's guess.


If there was video of it, there would have been a stir, but nothing like what we're seeing now. Ashcroft wouldn't have sent out his top civil rights guy and there wouldn't have been 400-500 people marching on Inglewood city hall either.

Jar, anyone who fights with the police would be considered a thug in my book!  Don't you find it strange that the only part of the tape is when the kid gets his head tossed in the back of the car?  Are you sure you don't work for the ACLU? [:D]

Well, it's a pricks line of work. What do you expect of people who deal with turds like this kid the vast majority of their careers?  We start out young and idealistic with honorable intentions and end up disillusioned and burnt out in most cases.  I suppose your all about peace , love and understanding 24/7. I used to be a real sweetheart of a guy just like you. The whole world was my friend, just like you. I was open minded and tolerant, just like you.

From what I've read, the guy with the camera looked out the window and saw what was going on, and by the time he got the camera rolling Jackson was beging cuffed.

ACLU member? Me? If you have any notions of that kind, review my responses to kentstate4, our local cardcarrying ACLU member on his death penalty thread:

[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?id=108432[/url]

My remarks start at the bottom of page two, and are continued on three and four.

If the cops have to fight a "bad guy" to get him in the cuffs, I have no problem with that. I've posted on that on one of these many threads on just this topic. I can't in good conscience give thumbs up to a beating once the guy's cuffed. If you notice from the video, Morse's arm was grabbed when we tried to serve Jackson a second helping of fist salad. The cop to Morse's right, a corporal from the stripes on his sleeve, grabbed his arm and had to hold onto it. If one punch doesn't get the kid's hands off your huevos, take a step back while the other five cops hold the kid on the trunk where you slammed him.

Believe me, I'm a righteous cop's best friend, but picking the kid up and ramming his face into the trunk lid was wrong. Going back for a second helping of mashed face was wrong. Does the cop deserve to go to jail? Would you or I if we got a couple of extra shots in on someone who started a fight with us? I doubt it. Should Morse still be a cop when all this is over? I doubt that too.

The kid doesn't have a criminal record. And he looks more than just a little "developementally disabled". They said on the news that he has a lot of trouble just understanding normal conversations. I wouldn't doubt it that he takes the "short bus" to school.

The video I saw showed the kid in handcuffs, not moving and then being picked up and slammed face first onto a trunk and then sucker punched.  If any one of us did this in a fight we would be in jail.   I don't care what anybody did, this cop was way out of line and his buddies knew it.  They were getting in his way and holding their hands up to stop any more punches.  It's part of the job and if you can't hold your emotions in check better than what this cop did you need to change careers.  What he did was chicken shit and small.  You let this kind of crap go and sooner or later they'll do it to you too.  Read your history and learn that this stuff has to be stopped.

The video I saw showed the kid reaching back at the officer's groin while handcuffed.  He was definetly trying to do something.  The punch in the head was probably overkill, but if some perp was going for my balls I wouldn't be real happy about it either.  

Well said and I'll second that.

If it were a white kid, there'd also be outrage.

Before we turn this into a racial issue and wonder whether black people would march if a white kid got beat up, remember that not too many white folks marched for Rodney King.

As far as the twin shitbags Jackson and Sharpton are concerned, they're akin to Robertson and Falwell representing white Christians.

Here's the thing I don't understand, and maybe CavVet or another black member can enlighten me:
With all the influential people in the black community, from politicians, businessmen, entertainers, athletes, etc...why do black folks let Jackson and Sharpton speak for them? One is a fornicating, opportunistic, hypocrite usurping the legacy of Dr. King, and the other is just an all out race-baiter. Why isn't there open opposition to them?

Robertson and Falwell have their followers, but when they spew forth their shit like after 9/11, they get excoriated for it by everyone. Why does the black community not depose(if that's the appropriate word to use in this case) Jackson and Sharpton?

My only guess is that they benefit from the he's-a-shit-but-he's-our-shit syndrome. Jackson and Sharpton don't carry true political weight, and as long as they're allowed to represent the black community, I don't see black folks gaining any ground. Hell, even the Rev. King's family are more concerned with profiting from Dr. King's name than to actually continue is work. It's a shame.

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Heres a dumb white boy with a camera...I doubt its true, but assuming it is he got whats coming to him.


[url]http://www.gulaman.com/stuff/fingerpig.avi[/url]

As the resident token Black guy, I guess I will be the community leader here, since I was requested by name, to address the question.

Neither have ever been shown on [b]MY[/b] network. Neither ever will. In the "Black Leader" vote, I have never voted for either one of them to lead shit. JJ could only lead me to an oar-gee, and Al 'Pimp Daddy Perm' can only lead me to a good steak.

Kommie News Network, Caucasian Broadcasting System, No Black Cast and All Black Criticism Networks pick those two to "lead the masses". The news media is like the drug problem, blame as many Blacks as makes ya feel good, but we have no control over either. No networks, No boats or planes....

Let me go on the record here. As Blacks are 14% or so of the population, and 50% of all Americans are Democrats, there are just as many White idiots in this country as Blacks, if not more. To displace Jesse look at Al Gore. Al Sharpton bring up Dan Quayle. Et cetera, ad nauseum.  



Legacy? You obviously missed my tyrate on King. He is no hero. Black America was [b]MUCH[/b] better off before him than after. I grew up before him. We had Black [b]OWNED[/b] Taxi companies, movie theatres, laundrymats, bakeries, resturants, stores, ball clubs, etc. After??? Today??? ROFLMAO!  A legacy of destroying the hard work Black America did despite Jim Crow, 100 years after the emancipation 'we' were doin ok for ourselves. He just had to eat at the White lunch counters. Sorry, no legacy in my mind.


If you want a Black, Civil Rights hero, try Thurgood Marshall on for size. He took Jim Crow and fed him his own crap. And netted NO LOSS. THATS a hero. He went into the eye of the tiger, and changed the system. He changed the law, Martin only did what was legal. Sorry, MLK couldnt carry the Late Justice Marshalls jockstrap.....


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[b]CavVet[/b], no flame at all! I think the way you do concerning pre-1960's black society, but where do you come up with this:

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BTW, I sometimes spell potato, potatoe, as that was formerly considered the proper spelling.[:D]

For more on black culture before it was 'helped', read Dr. Thomas Sowell's writings, particularly those dealing with his formative years in Harlem.

Here's a little sample from a speech he gave:

"There is a story, which I hope is apocryphal, that the French police were chasing a criminal who fled into a building in Paris.  Their first thought was that they would surround the building.  But then they realized that the building was so large, and had so many exits, that they didn't have enough policemen on the scene to do that.  So they surrounded the building next door, which was smaller and had fewer exits.
   
"Much of the academic research in the social sciences follows exactly this pattern of reasoning.
   
"Often we don't have information on the variables that matter, so we surround other variables, using statistics that the Census Bureau, or the Congressional Budget Office, or someone else has supplied to us.  

"Last year, for example, both the media and the politicians seized upon statistics which showed that blacks received less prenatal care, and had higher infant mortality rates, than whites.  The obvious answer was more government spending on prenatal care. [u]Yet the very same study showed that Mexican Americans received even less prenatal care than blacks and had slightly lower infant mortality rates than whites[/u].
   
[b]Prenatal care was the building next door.[/b]"

From: [url]http://www.tsowell.com/spperson.html[/url]

Eric The(SeeWhatIMean?)Hun[>]:)]

I'm a young black male, and I am very disturbed by the way this forum has segrigated the black/white issue. Some dumb white kid with a video cam. a young black thug! We are just people! Jessie Jackass needs to go have some more bastard kids and leave this up to people with some intelligence and not turn this into a race issue. To me it was an officer arresting a man the was resisting arrest! If the young man's parents didn't teach to respect the law then just maybe he needs to get smacked around a little! What do you think?

CavVet's post made me have to post here.  It was very well thought out and made a very good point...

The media and the people who run it LOVE conflict and that's what sells.  Who's gonna run a story about a black/white/mexican neighborhood garage sale that had no drive bys and everyone likes each other?

It is a wonder why more blacks haven't denounced JJ and the 'rev' but why did the 'white democrats et al' re-elect Klinton?  It seems like the same stupidity or apathy to me.  

It's too complicated a social question to point fingers at any one source.  Maybe we need to get rid of some of the lesbian socialist college professors...

With regards to the 'beating' here's my take:

- He resisted (slow or not that's wrong, and was he driving?!?!?!  if so, WTF?)
- He may/may not have grabbed a cops dinger (either white or black that would make me wanna hit someone)
- Also as stated before this was blown WAY outta proportion, and MANY white/black/hispanic/asian/etc... arrests occur which REQUIRE force to subdue the suspect as well as many which do not.  There is a fine line and it would be easy for the officer or officers to become less aware of what's acceptable (by normal people?, by the media? who makes the rules?) because they have to deal with it EVERY DAY.