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7/31/2017 10:52:50 AM EDT
# 1 Sugar (synthetic and/or non-synthetic)

# 2 Tobacco

This from a CDC scientist in a seminar recently.

Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people are FAT.

So...are YOU willing to give up eating poison today and stop with the breads, salad dressings, anything with corn syrup, sodas, etc...much less...quit using tobacco?
7/31/2017 10:53:39 AM EDT
[#1]
#1 Liberal Ideology
7/31/2017 10:55:14 AM EDT
[#2]
I pound the keto drum and even I think that's retarded how it's phrased. Now I'm going to go eat some bacon and throw a Snus in
7/31/2017 10:55:17 AM EDT
[#3]
Already not using either.
7/31/2017 10:55:23 AM EDT
[#4]
So eat nothing but shit tasting food and live forever? Probably not.




If sugar, necessary for basic cellular life, is labeled as a "poison", further discussion is futile.
7/31/2017 10:58:11 AM EDT
[#5]
I would think it would be:

1. Sugar
2. Alcohol
3. Tobacco

And yes, sugar is poison.
And no, you do not need to add it to food.
7/31/2017 10:58:21 AM EDT
[#6]
I cleaned up my diet about 4 months ago (I eat very healthy now) so I can honestly answer "yes", but calling sugar a poison is leaning a little heavy on the hyperbole.
7/31/2017 10:59:41 AM EDT
[#7]
The way its looking, an Obamacare Death Panel will be my undoing, so whatev.
7/31/2017 11:02:21 AM EDT
[#8]
Hey I don't smoke!
7/31/2017 11:02:44 AM EDT
[#9]
Pretty sure that's stretching the definition of poison juuuust a little bit.
7/31/2017 11:03:26 AM EDT
[#10]
I figured number one would be water. 
7/31/2017 11:04:35 AM EDT
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I would think it would be:

1. Sugar
2. Alcohol
3. Tobacco

And yes, sugar is poison.
And no, you do not need to add it to food.
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Alcohol may be abused to the point it is a poison, but that doesn't represent a majority.  There are many fit healthy people that regularly consume alcohol moderately.  In fact a little alcohol is health benefit and ethanol is commonly used to breakdown materials and release nutrients/medicines locked in indigestible compounds.......and so it is very much embraced by some of the most healthy people too.
7/31/2017 11:05:30 AM EDT
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7/31/2017 11:05:31 AM EDT
[#13]
I don't consume sugar. I don't use tobacco.

In fact, I skip about two meals a day, and instead I have a meal replacement shake called "whiskey."
7/31/2017 11:05:50 AM EDT
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If sugar, necessary for basic cellular life, is labeled as a "poison", further discussion is futile.
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It worked with carbon dioxide.

And I dislike and avoid sugar.
7/31/2017 11:07:47 AM EDT
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So eat nothing but shit tasting food and live forever? Probably not.




If sugar, necessary for basic cellular life, is labeled as a "poison", further discussion is futile.
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If you stop eating all the sugar, your body stops craving it. Getting over the hump is difficult. But that "shit tasting food" all of a sudden becomes really good.
7/31/2017 11:07:59 AM EDT
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So eat nothing but shit tasting food and live forever? Probably not.


If sugar, necessary for basic cellular life, is labeled as a "poison", further discussion is futile.
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Having eaten lunch at the CDC for the last 10years, you would not believe the crap they serve:
No MSG, no sugar, no fat, no flavor, no texture and wash gag it down with ______________ infused water.

Rosemary, thyme, mint, etc. infused water = throw a sprig of a herb in 5 gallons of water.

Maybe the food will improve now that Dr. Tom Frieden has departed.
7/31/2017 11:09:14 AM EDT
[#17]
lol
7/31/2017 11:10:18 AM EDT
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7/31/2017 11:11:52 AM EDT
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I don't consume sugar. I don't use tobacco.

In fact, I skip about two meals a day, and instead I have a meal replacement shake called "whiskey."
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7/31/2017 11:12:17 AM EDT
[#20]
No such thing as poison just lethal dosages.
7/31/2017 11:12:31 AM EDT
[#21]
Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people are FAT.
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Soma.

...his society's methods of keeping its citizens peaceful, which includes their constant consumption of a soothing drug called soma.
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The illegality of pot and other drugs used to convince me that the Federal Government doesn't REALLY want to control all of us directly... because if it did, it would be drugging us directly.
Instead, it would be offering us mind control spectaculars like annual gladiatorial combat contests, endless programming of our young via popular media, and brainwashing our children in school.

...er...




7/31/2017 11:13:36 AM EDT
[#22]
Sugar is not a poison.  Drinking too much water too quickly can really mess you up.  That doesn't mean water is a poison. 
7/31/2017 11:15:37 AM EDT
[#23]
I was expecting caffeine to top the list.  I would guess more people ingest caffeine than tobacco, and it's substantially more toxic than sugar.
7/31/2017 11:16:01 AM EDT
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I don't consume sugar. I don't use tobacco.

In fact, I skip about two meals a day, and instead I have a meal replacement shake called "whiskey."
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7/31/2017 11:22:19 AM EDT
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Alcohol may be abused to the point it is a poison, but that doesn't represent a majority.  There are many fit healthy people that regularly consume alcohol moderately.  In fact a little alcohol is health benefit and ethanol is commonly used to breakdown materials and release nutrients/medicines locked in indigestible compounds.......and so it is very much embraced by some of the most healthy people too.
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Even moderate drinking is bad for the aging brain.

Recent research: Over a 30-year period, people in Great Britain who drank as few as four pints of strong beer or five large glasses of wine (6.2 ounces each) a week were more likely to have atrophy in their brains than people who did not drink alcohol. And the more people drank, the faster their cognition deteriorated.

The specific type of deterioration was hippocampal atrophy, which happens in a part of the brain associated with long-term memory. That kind of deterioration is commonly seen in patients with Alzheimer’s disease.

Why this is important: Previous studies suggesting that moderate drinking is associated with reduced dementia or better cognition may not be correct. This study found that moderate drinking had no protective effect on brain health or memory—and, in fact, appeared to be harmful.

Moderate drinking also has been thought to reduce the risk for heart disease, stroke and diabetes—but these new findings suggest that it is a higher-risk activity than previously believed. Previous studies may not have taken into account additional characteristics of moderate drinkers and may therefore have missed the true picture showing harm from moderate alcohol use.

Light drinking appears to be alright—for example, up to three small glasses of wine per week…or about two pints of strong beer—because the light drinkers showed no difference in brain function compared with nondrinkers.

Danger: Current US guidelines recommending up to one drink a day for women and two for men are too high—that level puts your brain at risk.

Source: Anya Topiwala, MD, PhD, clinical lecturer in old age psychiatry, department of psychiatry, University of Oxford, UK. The study Dr. Topiwala led, which was published in The BMJ, monitored 550 adults over 30 years, starting in 1985. Date: June 26, 2017 Publication: Bottom Line Health
7/31/2017 11:24:02 AM EDT
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# 1 Sugar (synthetic and/or non-synthetic)

# 2 Tobacco

This from a CDC scientist in a seminar recently.

Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people are FAT.

So...are YOU willing to give up eating poison today and stop with the breads, salad dressings, anything with corn syrup, sodas, etc...much less...quit using tobacco?
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Sorry dude. No sugar, no fake sugar, super low slow carbs, no booze no nicotine.

What else do you want me to give up? You can't have my fat.
7/31/2017 11:24:39 AM EDT
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Sugar itself isn't a poison.  What makes sugar bad is that it is addictive and is added to many foods in ridiculous quantities.

One you are on the S-train it is hard to get off of.  You eventually become a diabetic and your limbs begin to rot off.  Our pancreas just want made to handle so much sugar.
7/31/2017 11:26:42 AM EDT
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Sugar is food.  Like most other foods, too much sugar can be harmful.

Alcohol and nicotine are drugs.  Like most drugs, they have a quantifiable lethal dose often expressed as LD50, the dose (in mass of drug per unit mass of subject, e.g. mg/kg) at which half of subjects of a particular species (e.g. rat) die.

CORRECTED Sugar has an LD50 of 30 g per kilogram for rats, orally.  But I don't believe a rat would consume a lethal dose of sugar even if it could.

A typical brief LD50 table for common poisons
7/31/2017 11:26:45 AM EDT
[#29]
I try to avoid sugar, but calling it a poison is fucking retarded.
7/31/2017 11:27:50 AM EDT
[#30]
It would be nice if we all understood the terms at play here so there would be some context for these statements.

Like maybe the difference between acute and chronic toxicity.
7/31/2017 11:29:42 AM EDT
[#31]
You're not the boss of me.
7/31/2017 11:29:57 AM EDT
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Sugar is food.  Like most other foods, too much sugar can be harmful.

Alcohol and nicotine are drugs.  Like most drugs, they have a quantifiable lethal dose often expressed as LD50, the dose (in mass of drug per unit mass of subject, e.g. mg/kg) at which half of subjects of a particular species (e.g. rat) die.

Sugar has no LD50.

A typical brief LD50 table for common poisons
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It does in the table you just posted.
7/31/2017 11:30:41 AM EDT
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Sorry dude. No sugar, no fake sugar, super low slow carbs, no booze no nicotine.

What else do you want me to give up? You can't have my fat.
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I'm pretty sure fats are good for you again though I can't keep up with the ever-changing rules about such things. Carbs were good, now they're bad. Fats were bad, now they're good :(

Reminds me of this

This Is Why Eating Healthy Is Hard (Time Travel Dietitian)
7/31/2017 11:32:00 AM EDT
[#34]
Well then let's splurge...

6 or 7 lumps in your coffee?
7/31/2017 11:32:12 AM EDT
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Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people Democrat voters are FAT.
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These fools have no idea how much single payer (socialized medicine) will completely change their lives.
It means handing total power to their diet choices to the Fed-gov.

The EPA declares CO2 a pollutant, the CDC declares sugar a poison.

Same strategy, different agency.
7/31/2017 11:33:05 AM EDT
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I would think it would be:

1. Refined Sugar
2. Alcohol
3. Tobacco

And yes, refined sugar is poison.
And no, you do not need to add it to food.
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FIFY

actually, High Fructose Corn Syrup is the real killer.
7/31/2017 11:34:36 AM EDT
[#37]
#1: DiHydrogen Monoxide.
7/31/2017 11:36:55 AM EDT
[#38]
Dihydrogen Oxide!
7/31/2017 11:37:01 AM EDT
[#39]
Pretty sure more ppl are using caffeine (coffee, tea, soda) than tobacco
7/31/2017 11:39:51 AM EDT
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It does in the table you just posted.
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Sugar is food.  Like most other foods, too much sugar can be harmful.

Alcohol and nicotine are drugs.  Like most drugs, they have a quantifiable lethal dose often expressed as LD50, the dose (in mass of drug per unit mass of subject, e.g. mg/kg) at which half of subjects of a particular species (e.g. rat) die.

Sugar has no LD50.

A typical brief LD50 table for common poisons
It does in the table you just posted.
Oh crap, you are CORRECT!

30 grams / kilogram.

I weigh about 200 pounds, roughly 445 kg, so roughly that many ounces of sugar.  About 28 pounds of sugar to kill me.
7/31/2017 11:40:02 AM EDT
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Sugar is not a poison.  Drinking too much water too quickly can really mess you up.  That doesn't mean water is a poison. 
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LOL your avatar + your comment      What are you feelings on milk?
7/31/2017 11:40:39 AM EDT
[#42]
CSB.


I'll go get a vial of sugar and another one of hydrogen cyanide and see which one ol' boy chooses.



Not saying the HFCS-all-the-things trend in American lifestyle  (conveniently brought to you be government subsidies BTW) is beneficial, but I'm so fucking tires of this constant "public health" handwringing.
7/31/2017 11:43:54 AM EDT
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LOL your avatar + your comment      What are you feelings on milk?
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Half & Half in cereal FTW!   

7/31/2017 11:44:17 AM EDT
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These fools have no idea how much single payer (socialized medicine) will completely change their lives.
It means handing total power to their diet choices to the Fed-gov.

The EPA declares CO2 a pollutant, the CDC declares sugar a poison.

Same strategy, different agency.
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Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people Democrat voters are FAT.


These fools have no idea how much single payer (socialized medicine) will completely change their lives.
It means handing total power to their diet choices to the Fed-gov.

The EPA declares CO2 a pollutant, the CDC declares sugar a poison.

Same strategy, different agency.
Not quite. Sugar and starch is the globalist solution to feeding the masses and keeping the sated, sick, and fat. That's why the ADA and all the others still demonize fat and pimp carbs. That's why all the world governments are anti-meat. Sugar is for commies.
7/31/2017 11:47:56 AM EDT
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I agree it can have incredibly harmful effects and I try not to eat much sugar but as everyone has said poison is a stretch. But I don't care what they call it as long as the FDA, USDA, CDC, et al don't try to ban it.

From a post I made about soda taxes: "Laws in the name of public health and public safety are some of the greatest dangers to our liberty IMHO." I don't agree that sugar is good in the amount it is currently consumed, but that shouldn't be any of the gov's business.
7/31/2017 11:49:16 AM EDT
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More liberal bullshit on here.
7/31/2017 11:49:36 AM EDT
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Not quite. Sugar and starch is the globalist solution to feeding the masses and keeping the sated, sick, and fat. That's why the ADA and all the others still demonize fat and pimp carbs. That's why all the world governments are anti-meat. Sugar is for commies.
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Assuming this as a given, why is it any mystery that the US is the only country in the world where nearly all the poor people Democrat voters are FAT.


These fools have no idea how much single payer (socialized medicine) will completely change their lives.
It means handing total power to their diet choices to the Fed-gov.

The EPA declares CO2 a pollutant, the CDC declares sugar a poison.

Same strategy, different agency.
Not quite. Sugar and starch is the globalist solution to feeding the masses and keeping the sated, sick, and fat. That's why the ADA and all the others still demonize fat and pimp carbs. That's why all the world governments are anti-meat. Sugar is for commies.
There is actually a good bit of truth to this, but I'd argue against the FDA doing it for some nefarious reason.   Frankly like any large agency or group of humans, none of us is as dumb as all of us.   We add sugar to everything now, it's insane.    Back in the day when people said their recipe had a "secret ingredient",.. they meant sugar.   It was expensive and not all that easy to find.   In the last 50-100 years we have been putting it in everything and it's made us fat diabetics who say patently dumb shit like "healthy at any weight".
7/31/2017 11:50:06 AM EDT
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It does in the table you just posted.
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Sugar is food.  Like most other foods, too much sugar can be harmful.

Alcohol and nicotine are drugs.  Like most drugs, they have a quantifiable lethal dose often expressed as LD50, the dose (in mass of drug per unit mass of subject, e.g. mg/kg) at which half of subjects of a particular species (e.g. rat) die.

Sugar has no LD50.

A typical brief LD50 table for common poisons
It does in the table you just posted.
eta - posted above.
7/31/2017 11:54:56 AM EDT
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So eat nothing but shit tasting food and live forever? Probably not.




If sugar, necessary for basic cellular life, is labeled as a "poison", further discussion is futile.
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not 100% certain but ill wager that they mean refined sugar vs un refined.
7/31/2017 11:56:35 AM EDT
[#50]
Sugar is a poison?

Sugar for the brain: the role of glucose in physiological and pathological brain function

To much sugar is a bad thing but sugar is not a poison.
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