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Posted: 8/27/2005 10:18:47 PM EDT
Simple question.

What kind of reaction would the American people have had in 1955 if all the laws and court rulings we currently live under were imposed on them all at once?

Would they have rebelled?

Is the question even valid since the situation is different in many cases? (or is it really?)
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:28:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Simple question.

What kind of reaction would the American people have had in 1955 if all the laws and court rulings we currently live under were imposed on them all at once?

Would they have rebelled?

Is the question even valid since the situation is different in many cases? (or is it really?)



No, not in 1955. Maybe some would have.

Now, 1885? Yes. Without question.

The current tax system alone would've caused a revolt.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:35:14 PM EDT
1955? In the midst of the "Red Scare"?

I think a *LOT* of people would go along with whatever .gov said was in their "best interests"... Kinda like they do today.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:42:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
1955? In the midst of the "Red Scare"?

I think a *LOT* of people would go along with whatever .gov said was in their "best interests"... Kinda like they do today.



Thats what immediately jumped to mind.

Same kind of deal in the 1910s a la the expansion of the Espionage act to include any critical speech against the government...
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:56:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 11:37:18 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Simple question.

What kind of reaction would the American people have had in 1955 if all the laws and court rulings we currently live under were imposed on them all at once?

Would they have rebelled?

Absolutely.

If you've never picked up a copy of "The Naked Communist" - it has a classic summary of EXACTLY what you're talking about.


Pages 259-262 are quite prophetic. Better than anything Nostradamus put out.

The first ten goals he lists are geared more towards the Cold War and the Atom Bomb - and most of what he listed was VERY close to being implemented through the '60s and especially the 70s. But nowadays, they don't need atomic weapons to destroy us.

Numbers 10-45 are AMAZINGLY prophetic:


1958 CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS


1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament (by) the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs of organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. {or simply infiltrate it and run it into the ground}

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand (or treat).

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Emphasise the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.



And remember - this list was written in 1958!

Go ahead, check off the ones that have come to pass already.

There's an internal "Cold War" being waged against America, and it's been going on for many many decades. They didn't really need atomic weapons to instill Communism in America after all.



Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:02:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Macallan:

Originally Posted By MissouriBob:
Simple question.

What kind of reaction would the American people have had in 1955 if all the laws and court rulings we currently live under were imposed on them all at once?

Would they have rebelled?

Absolutely.

If you've never picked up a copy of "The Naked Communist" - it has a classic summary of EXACTLY what you're talking about.
www.skousen2000.com/images/communist.jpg

Pages 259-262 are quite prophetic. Better than anything Nostradamus put out.

The first ten goals he lists are geared more towards the Cold War and the Atom Bomb - and most of what he listed was VERY close to being implemented through the '60s and especially the 70s. But nowadays, they don't need atomic weapons to destroy us.

Numbers 10-45 are AMAZINGLY prophetic:


1958 CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS


1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament (by) the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.

9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.

14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs of organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the grounds that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."

32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI. {or simply infiltrate it and run it into the ground}

36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand (or treat).

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

41. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.

45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.



And remember - this list was written in 1958!

Go ahead, check off the ones that have come to pass already.

There's an internal "Cold War" being waged against America, and it's been going on for many many decades. They didn't really need atomic weapons to instill Communism in America after all.






In Russia it was called Bolshevism. In America, it was called Progressivism.

I wouldn't go so far as to say we've gone outright communism, but I'd say that a belief in socialism is a basic philisophical belief of 95% of americans.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:15:53 PM EDT
Maybe they only pretended to collapse. I've got to buy that book. What what the source for this list? Why isn't this talked about?? (Dumb question)

That's scary.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:20:31 PM EDT
What happened to #42?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:25:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:
What happened to #42?



Erased by the Communist Conspiracy?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:26:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:
What happened to #42?



Its the Answer to life, the universe, and everything.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:26:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:
What happened to #42?



Erased by the Communist Conspiracy?



[yoda]Only a Jedi could remove information from the archives. Troubling this is. [yoda]
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 11:35:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/27/2005 11:37:35 PM EDT by The_Macallan]

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:
What happened to #42?

Lost in C&P.


It's fixed now.

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:24:35 AM EDT
BTT for the day crew.
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