NOLA PD is confiscating legaly owned guns from innocent civilians leaving them to the wolves.
There is a thread where soldiers admit they would take your guns.www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=388598

Remember flight 93? They got a phone call that said the terrorists were going to fly into buildings and they better do something. Previous to that, hijack victims relied on the fact that hijackers had no malice towards the people in the aircraft.

Do you see the similarities?

Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

Quoted: Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

ya think?

Quoted: Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

Brilliant. Move to the front.

Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either?


Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes.

It was flight 93

Quoted: Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

Oh boy

Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes.

But they get in the way of turning all of NO into a parking lot.

Quoted: Do you see the similarities?

Yup.  

Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes.

Well let's see.... There's eminent domain, and um, interstate commerce, and the who-gives-a-shit-what-you-think act. Yeah, that's it.

Quoted: Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

YEAH Thats the reason

So are you saying its OK and Acceptable?


HEY guys I think I found one of the 5 who answered YES on that poll

If you dont get what I said....

Quoted: It was flight 93

 Yep 93.  But I have to say it's a tad scary how right he may be.

Quoted: Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes. But they get in the way of turning all of NO into a parking lot.

Or LasVegas of the south.  You watch, big money will end up with all that realestate.

Quoted: Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes. Well let's see.... There's eminent domain, and um, interstate commerce, and the who-gives-a-shit-what-you-think act. Yeah, that's it.

I'm glad we have you on our side.

Damnit ya'll what he is trying to say is that we're in a place where we are warned that S is about to HTF in terms of our gun rights.  What will we do about it?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes. Well let's see.... There's eminent domain, and um, interstate commerce, and the who-gives-a-shit-what-you-think act. Yeah, that's it. I'm glad we have you on our side.

That doesn't mean he agrees or thinks it is right.  He just stated HOW.

Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes.

The federal government ISN'T forcing people out of their homes.  The City of New Orleans and State of Louisiana ARE, and both are supported in doing so by laws.  From CNN.com:

Q. Who declares the authority to forcibly remove residents in New Orleans? A. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. The governor is given broad authority under the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act. It allows her to "direct and compel" the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the state if life is at stake or if such evacuation is necessary for the mitigation of, response to, and recovery from a disaster. A public health emergency prompted Gov. Blanco to declare a state of emergency on August 29, 2005. The declaration allows her to use the National Guard for purposes including law enforcement. Note that she does not have the power to use federal troops; only the National Guard. This police power is always found in state law and can be used for public health emergencies when lives are in danger. Gov. Blanco also has the authority to direct New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to use the National Guard and police to forcibly remove New Orleans residents because of the public health dangers arising from toxic waters, Silliman said. Q. Does Mayor Nagin also have authority to remove New Orleans residents by force? A. Yes. The Louisiana Homeland Security Act gives essentially the same power to parish presidents -- the mayor of New Orleans is deemed the president of Orleans Parish -- as it does to the governor. According to University of Pittsburgh School of Law professor Bernard Hibbitts, parish presidents may "direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the boundaries of the parish if he deems this action necessary for mitigation, response or recovery measures." The mayor's powers seem a bit more narrow than the governor's (no reference to "preservation of life"), but it's enough for Mayor Nagin to remove residents. The act also says the parish president can control access to and from the affected area. Nagin relied on this act when enforcing his September 6 evacuation order.

Quoted: Quoted: Soldiers and cops dont want trouble when they have to go in and force people out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

YEAH Thats the reason So are you saying its OK and Acceptable?

No its not ok at all. Its a disgrace Im just saying that some of them gotta be thinking that. Ill bet anyday the mayor is gonna give the order to drag people out of their homes. And when they do they wont have their firearms to resisist. Why else disarm them?

Just my thoughts, Why all the comments?

So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes?

Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes?

National Guard= State

Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only.

Quoted: Quoted: Maybe they shouldn't be forcing people out of their houses either? Last time I checked, there wasn't anything in the Constitution giving the the Federal Government the power to forcibly remove people from their homes. The federal government ISN'T forcing people out of their homes.  The City of New Orleans and State of Louisiana ARE, and both are supported in doing so by laws.  From CNN.com: Q. Who declares the authority to forcibly remove residents in New Orleans? A. Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco. The governor is given broad authority under the Louisiana Homeland Security and Emergency Assistance and Disaster Act. It allows her to "direct and compel" the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the state if life is at stake or if such evacuation is necessary for the mitigation of, response to, and recovery from a disaster. A public health emergency prompted Gov. Blanco to declare a state of emergency on August 29, 2005. The declaration allows her to use the National Guard for purposes including law enforcement. Note that she does not have the power to use federal troops; only the National Guard. This police power is always found in state law and can be used for public health emergencies when lives are in danger. Gov. Blanco also has the authority to direct New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin to use the National Guard and police to forcibly remove New Orleans residents because of the public health dangers arising from toxic waters, Silliman said. Q. Does Mayor Nagin also have authority to remove New Orleans residents by force? A. Yes. The Louisiana Homeland Security Act gives essentially the same power to parish presidents -- the mayor of New Orleans is deemed the president of Orleans Parish -- as it does to the governor. According to University of Pittsburgh School of Law professor Bernard Hibbitts, parish presidents may "direct and compel the evacuation of all or part of the population from any stricken or threatened area within the boundaries of the parish if he deems this action necessary for mitigation, response or recovery measures." The mayor's powers seem a bit more narrow than the governor's (no reference to "preservation of life"), but it's enough for Mayor Nagin to remove residents. The act also says the parish president can control access to and from the affected area. Nagin relied on this act when enforcing his September 6 evacuation order.

No where in here do I see the ability to abrogate our 2nd rights but you still miss my point.



Here it is:

LEOs and military will act upon orders to abrogate your Second Amendment rights, no matter what they tell you on this board.
Leos and military WILL take your guns, my guns and anyone else's guns the minute they are told to do so.
We have NO friends, anywhere.

I hope we all have good memories.

Quoted: No where in here do I see the ability to abrogate our 2nd rights but you still miss my point. Here it is: LEOs and military will act upon orders to abrogate your Second Amendment rights, no matter what they tell you on this board. Leos and military WILL take your guns, my guns and anyone else's guns the minute they are told to do so. We have NO friends, anywhere.

I agree with you.  I was merely correcting 1Andy2's assertion that the federal government was unlawfully removing people from their homes.  They are (1) not the ones doing the removing, it is the state and city, and (2) the removals are supported by law.

But, like you said, if guns are being confiscated, it is illegal and should be documeted so that after all is said and done, civil rights lawsuits can be brought against Mayor Nagin, the NO Police Commissioner, and Governor Blanco.

We are working on a solution.

"An Army Of Both."

I believe 99% of gun owners will surrender in the event of a total ban.  It is the 1% that scares the hell out of the commies.

Anyone got any real life proof that this is really happening???

Quoted: Anyone got any real life proof that this is really happening???

Did you read the link to the Marine and the soldier's opinion?

Whether guns are being taken or not, these guys say they will do it. They ARE the military and they say they will obey an unconstitutional order to take away your guns and rights.

Quoted: Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes? National Guard= State Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only.

The NG is NOT a militia, nor is it a completely state-controlled or commanded force.  It recieves federal funding and direction.

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. These are all under fire except maybe the religion part


Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. New Orleans, nuff said.  Legislation giving broad powers to mayors, Governors, and President


Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law. Seizing property for official Gov. use


Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. Patriot Act, subway searches, and I will bet a case will soon come before the SC expanding probable cause


Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. Jose Padilla, Gitmo


Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense. Jose Padilla and gitmo again

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes? National Guard= State Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only. The NG is NOT a militia, nor is it a completely state-controlled or commanded force.  It recieves federal funding and direction.

I didn't say it was a militia.  

But the FACT is that the National Guard is directed by the state until mobilized by the Federal Government.  In the current situation under discussion, the FACT is that the National Guard units operating in the disaster areas have not been mobilized by the Federal Government and are in FACT directed by the state.  Perhaps you should do a little research into how the National Guard system works so you really understand waht is going on.

I just caugh a little of AMERICA'S MOST WANTED.  The host was asking for HELP in finding a couple of FELON FUGITIVES(murderes no less)  in the New Orleans area that recently escaped.  NOW, imagine how many other criminals are gonna have a field day with the unarmed populace?

I JUST DON'T GET IT.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes? National Guard= State Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only. The NG is NOT a militia, nor is it a completely state-controlled or commanded force.  It recieves federal funding and direction. I didn't say it was a militia.   But the FACT is that the National Guard is directed by the state until mobilized by the Federal Government.  In the current situation under discussion, the FACT is that the National Guard units operating in the disaster areas have not been mobilized by the Federal Government and are in FACT directed by the state.  Perhaps you should do a little research into how the National Guard system works so you really understand waht is going on.

The NG operates on federal tax dollars.  It's a flimsy pretext of separation and everyone knows it.

Quoted: Soldiers and cops Heavy equipment operators dont want trouble when they have to go in and force bulldoze people's out of their houses. Thats probably why they are doing this

Fixed it for you.

Buy stock in this company:  

They are going to make a fortune in Louisiana.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes? National Guard= State Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only. The NG is NOT a militia, nor is it a completely state-controlled or commanded force.  It recieves federal funding and direction. I didn't say it was a militia.   But the FACT is that the National Guard is directed by the state until mobilized by the Federal Government.  In the current situation under discussion, the FACT is that the National Guard units operating in the disaster areas have not been mobilized by the Federal Government and are in FACT directed by the state.  Perhaps you should do a little research into how the National Guard system works so you really understand waht is going on. The NG operates on federal tax dollars.  It's a flimsy pretext of separation and everyone knows it.

And?  You obviously have no real understanding of the National Guard system, how it is organized, and how it functions in relation to state and federal missions.

Quoted: Quoted: Anyone got any real life proof that this is really happening??? Did you read the link to the Marine and the soldier's opinion? Whether guns are being taken or not, these guys say they will do it. They ARE the military and they say they will obey an unconstitutional order to take away your guns and rights.

Yes I read some of it, still no real life proof of it really happening, just a post saying they would............and saying that they are in the Military. As far as I know those two guys could be clean_cut

Clean_who?

Quoted: Anyone got any real life proof that this is really happening???

I guess it's true that tacked topics receive less attention...

Quoted: Quoted: Anyone got any real life proof that this is really happening??? I guess it's true that tacked topics receive less attention...

I use "active Topics"  and honestly I have never seen that thread

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So National Guardsmen aren't removing people from their homes? National Guard= State Federal troops, Marines, Airmen, and sailors are providing humaitarian assistance and support functions only. The NG is NOT a militia, nor is it a completely state-controlled or commanded force.  It recieves federal funding and direction. I didn't say it was a militia.   But the FACT is that the National Guard is directed by the state until mobilized by the Federal Government.  In the current situation under discussion, the FACT is that the National Guard units operating in the disaster areas have not been mobilized by the Federal Government and are in FACT directed by the state.  Perhaps you should do a little research into how the National Guard system works so you really understand waht is going on. The NG operates on federal tax dollars.  It's a flimsy pretext of separation and everyone knows it. And?  You obviously have no real understanding of the National Guard system, how it is organized, and how it functions in relation to state and federal missions.

I understand exactly how it works.  The Federal government doesn't give them orders... until it does.